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Majestic Palms - Normal Winter Yellowing, or do I have a problem?

Ras

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Palmtalk - I got these 2 guys this past weekend, and they seem pretty beat up compared to other Majestics I have seen. They were pretty root bound and I have them in bigger pots now. I know that they typically go a bit yellow during winter, but these seem to be on the extreme side. What do you all think? Do I have a problem I need to work on? They seemed well watered and roots looked pretty heallthy.

Pics 1 &2 are before I got them.

Pics 3 - 6 are after transplant.

Thanks for any guidannce.

 

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Ras Contributor

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Few more pics inn better light and full view...

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James B Veteran

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You do not have a problem. Winter is tough on many Palms. Hit them with some fertilizer this month and lots of water and they will love it.

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I'm not a major palm expert, but I did have a few Majesty Palms in pots, outdoors, for the last 8-9 months.  I planted them initially in a kind of homemade sandy mix, and fertilized them well, and they were getting a lot of sun and rain water during the rainy season.   Every month that passed, they seemed to get yellower and yellower, while still spitting out spears and fronds. easily doubling in size over the time.  I tried more nitrogen, Iron granules, and topical iron.  

The nitrogen didn't do anything, but chelated iron foliar drenching a couple of times did help a little, making curious bright green spots on the yellow leaves.  I finally decided that the sandy mix I potted them in must just be too alkaline.

So I took them out, and cleaned off all the dirt.   It was amazing how they had some huge, tap-like roots already coming out of the holes in the pot seeking water in the trays.  I then mixed up a mix of a lot of peat, composted manure, some potting soil and wood chips to loosen things up a little...  (But this was still a heavy, rich and acidic mix), and put them down in that.   The new growth started coming in a healthy looking green, and the yellow leaves started to darken up quickly.   I think it did the trick.  But I also moved them to a more part-day shade spot, though that wouldn't have such a profound effect on the new spears.     

That being said, the lowest temp this winter was maybe 48F for an overnight, but mostly in the 70s and 80s during the day and 60s at night, so I'm not sure how your specific temps would effect things where you are.  

Either way, I love these palms for some reason.  Your's has a nice thick trunk taking shape.  They look great in tree form.         

 

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I've had a bunch of these I overwinter in the garage during winter and outside during summer for 4 years.  If greenhouse grown and not sun acclimated they will burn when put in direct sun.  This looks like one possibility.  My first year I let them dry out a bit over winter, NO big mistake.  These things sit in drip pans full of water all winter and in summer I keep them doused.  You will not overwater them.     So to sum up my first guess is sun acclimation problem, my second is not enough water.  I can't tell without knowing the sun conditions of these over the last couple months.  My soil even in the shade in pots I mulch heavily to retain moisture on the top 1-2 inches..  

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They have a very high requirement for magnesium. 

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  On 3/6/2021 at 2:54 AM, Ras said:

Few more pics inn better light and full view...

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Just my observation but I reckon those pots are about 6 times too small to provide the root space needed to feed and water such a hungry palm in full sun. These are fast strong bulky growers. They’re one of the big V8 engines of the palm world and need plenty of the good stuff to perform. 

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Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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Thanks, all for the responses.

I threw some fertilizer into the pots at planting (Miracle Grow Palm Fertilizer), and water every other day. Is there a preferred fertilizer for these guys.

From the looks of the first pics above (before I got them), they were in sun. Also, they guy I got them from said that he was regularly watering them, but who knows what that means. The pots they are in are about 2X the size of the ones they came in, so hoping to give them about a year in there before moving them to something bigger or in the ground.

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  On 3/6/2021 at 6:18 PM, Ras said:

Thanks, all for the responses.

I threw some fertilizer into the pots at planting (Miracle Grow Palm Fertilizer), and water every other day. Is there a preferred fertilizer for these guys.

From the looks of the first pics above (before I got them), they were in sun. Also, they guy I got them from said that he was regularly watering them, but who knows what that means. The pots they are in are about 2X the size of the ones they came in, so hoping to give them about a year in there before moving them to something bigger or in the ground.

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Did you put the fertilizer in before putting the palms in the pots or after the palms were in the pots? If you put it in before you put the palms in the pots then put the palms in on top of the fertilizer, it might have caused fertilizer burn on the roots. 

Palms - 1 Adonidia merillii, 1 Bismarckia nobilis, 2 Butia odorata, 1 BxJ, 1 BxJxBxS, 1 BxS, 1 Chamaerops humilis, 1 Chambeyronia macrocarpa, 1 Hyophorbe lagenicaulis, 1 Hyophorbe verschaffeltii, 1 Livistona chinensis, 1 Livistona nitida, 1 Phoenix canariensis, 3 Phoenix roebelenii, 2 Ravenea rivularis, 1 Rhapis excelsa, 1 Sabal bermudana, 3 Sabal palmetto, 4 Syagrus romanzoffiana, 8 Trachycarpus fortunei, 4 Washingtonia robusta, 1 Wodyetia bifurcata
Total: 41

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  On 3/6/2021 at 7:48 PM, JLM said:

Did you put the fertilizer in before putting the palms in the pots or after the palms were in the pots? If you put it in before you put the palms in the pots then put the palms in on top of the fertilizer, it might have caused fertilizer burn on the roots. 

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Hi JLM - I mixed a little in with the soil before planting. Palm nursery guy told me this was the ideal thing to do. Then added some to the top. Watered thoroughly along the way. I have lost palms to fertilizer burn before - stuck a full stake into the pot - so try to be super cautious now.

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  On 3/6/2021 at 8:24 PM, Ras said:

Hi JLM - I mixed a little in with the soil before planting. Palm nursery guy told me this was the ideal thing to do. Then added some to the top. Watered thoroughly along the way. I have lost palms to fertilizer burn before - stuck a full stake into the pot - so try to be super cautious now.

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Can probably rule out fertilizer burn then! At this point, as already said above if it wasnt acclimated to the sun it probably burned it. These things grow at a decent pace, so it should be outgrown before you repot them.

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Palms - 1 Adonidia merillii, 1 Bismarckia nobilis, 2 Butia odorata, 1 BxJ, 1 BxJxBxS, 1 BxS, 1 Chamaerops humilis, 1 Chambeyronia macrocarpa, 1 Hyophorbe lagenicaulis, 1 Hyophorbe verschaffeltii, 1 Livistona chinensis, 1 Livistona nitida, 1 Phoenix canariensis, 3 Phoenix roebelenii, 2 Ravenea rivularis, 1 Rhapis excelsa, 1 Sabal bermudana, 3 Sabal palmetto, 4 Syagrus romanzoffiana, 8 Trachycarpus fortunei, 4 Washingtonia robusta, 1 Wodyetia bifurcata
Total: 41

HtownPalms Rising Star

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  On 3/6/2021 at 6:18 PM, Ras said:

Thanks, all for the responses.

I threw some fertilizer into the pots at planting (Miracle Grow Palm Fertilizer), and water every other day. Is there a preferred fertilizer for these guys.

From the looks of the first pics above (before I got them), they were in sun. Also, they guy I got them from said that he was regularly watering them, but who knows what that means. The pots they are in are about 2X the size of the ones they came in, so hoping to give them about a year in there before moving them to something bigger or in the ground.

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Ras, a lot of people on here talk about using Palm Gain fertilizer. I started using it last spring and noticed an uptick in my palms growth speed and their leaves got darker green. I found it at Home Depot. The stuff stinks like a dead mouse, but the palms love it. 

Tyrone Grand Master

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Ras, a lot of people on here talk about using Palm Gain fertilizer. I started using it last spring and noticed an uptick in my palms growth speed and their leaves got darker green. I found it at Home Depot. The stuff stinks like a dead mouse, but the palms love it. 

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Sounds like an organic product. 

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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Tyrone, I'm not sure. I don't think it is. The bag says for more information go to www.bloomboost.com 

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  On 3/7/2021 at 1:26 AM, HtownPalms said:

Ras, a lot of people on here talk about using Palm Gain fertilizer. I started using it last spring and noticed an uptick in my palms growth speed and their leaves got darker green. I found it at Home Depot. The stuff stinks like a dead mouse, but the palms love it. 

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Thanks, Htown...

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