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[Landasaw]

 

Edited February 22, 2021 by Landasaw

[Landasaw]

This is a pindo palm in zone 7A Hendersonville Tennessee. It looks like to me it didn't survive the recent cold snap it's very young. There is still green but it seems like the young Spears have died. Is it time to pull the plug on it yet?

[climate change virginia]

try tugging the spear if it comes out pour h202 or hydrogen peroxide on spear. just do it anyway just to be safe

Edited February 22, 2021 by climate change virginia

[JLM]

6 minutes ago, Landasaw said:

This is a pindo palm in zone 7A Hendersonville Tennessee. It looks like to me it didn't survive the recent cold snap it's very young. There is still green but it seems like the young Spears have died. Is it time to pull the plug on it yet?

Hi there! Welcome to PT! I'm from around that area, but i no longer live there. I am familliar with the area. Try tugging on the center spear (lightly), dont pull too hard. If it comes out, then we have a problem, if not then it may have a chance of survival. If the spear does come out, try spraying some Copper Fungicide into the hole or Hydrogen Peroxide. Make sure if you use H202 that you dry up any remaining water left behind after the fizzing has stopped.
If the spear doesnt pull out, try marking the spear and another frond with a sharpie to check for any growth as we head into the warmer months.

Edited February 22, 2021 by JLM
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[Fusca]

It's not dead yet.  Tug on the spear and it will likely come out easily due to rot inside.  If that happens, treat it with a fungicide or some 3% hydrogen peroxide which can be found at Walmart pharmacy for less than $1 for a bottle.  If there's rot you'll hear it fizz.  We're dealing with the same issue on some palms here after our horrible polar vortex.  If you use the hydrogen peroxide try to keep it dry afterward and probably need to re-treat.  Welcome to Palmtalk!

[Landasaw]

Thanks folks I'll try that I know a pinto Palm in this zone is kind of a long shot. I've never seen one here and windmills in unprotected locations seldom last long. On the bright side I have a very young dwarf palmetto and a young windmill that seem to only have damage on the outer fronds. The windmill and pindo are in protected locations and were covered. The dwarf palmetto is in an open location but was covered.

[Landasaw]

Oh yeah there's rot. The three youngest Spears came out and were rotted on the bottom. I guess somehow I failed from keeping the center area dry. I'm going to try the hydrogen peroxide. If this thing is indeed a goner I'd like to try the species one more time here and go to more extreme measures.

[Allen]

Why not heated with lights?  That palm will need to be protected with heat under 20F.  I'm right down the road in the boro.  It will probably die as we had 8F here.  That's a lot tougher palm to keep alive than minor, trachy and needles here.  

Edited February 22, 2021 by Allen

[NCFM]

13 minutes ago, Allen said:

Why not heated with lights?  That palm will need to be protected with heat under 20F.  I'm right down the road in the boro.  It will probably die as we had 8F here.  That's a lot tougher palm to keep alive than minor, trachy and needles here.  

Established pindos have survived single digit temps here in central NC. Though they are more tender when young

Edited February 22, 2021 by NC_Palm_Enthusiast

[Landasaw]

It's on the south side of my house I would have heated lights but I don't have an outdoor outlet. I put heated bottles of water and electric socks with it.  Leaves tied with string underneath Frost cloth and a couple feet from the south side of my house.

Edited February 22, 2021 by Landasaw

[Allen]

34 minutes ago, Landasaw said:

It's on the south side of my house I would have heated lights but I don't have an outdoor outlet. I put heated bottles of water and electric socks with it.  Leaves tied with string underneath Frost cloth and a couple feet from the south side of my house.

If you don't establish a heated system for the Trachy and the pindo they will die the first really cold year.  You can try the leaf cage method where you wrap the fronds up and wrap with frost cloth then fill up a large cage with leaves around it.  Will get hard to do when they get big and not as good as lights.  I assume you've been to the Opryland hotel conservatory?  if not you should go check it out.  tons of palms.

47 minutes ago, NC_Palm_Enthusiast said:

Established pindos have survived single digit temps here in central NC. Though they are more tender when young

Maybe a large specimen but under 15 is damage, under 10 is probably dead.  This one was covered and just under 10.

Edited February 22, 2021 by Allen

[NCFM]

2 hours ago, Allen said:

Maybe a large specimen but under 15 is damage, under 10 is probably dead.  This one was covered and just under 10.

Back during the 150 year cold event we had here in 2018, I noticed that nearly all of the pindos under 10 gallon size perished, while many of the older and more established specimens were defoliated but recovered in the warm months that followed. We reached 0 degrees and had 7 consecutive days below freezing. Hopefully this means there is hope for some of the Pindos out in the areas of Texas that reached similar temps recently 

Edited February 23, 2021 by NC_Palm_Enthusiast

[climate change virginia]

11 minutes ago, NC_Palm_Enthusiast said:

Back during the 150 year cold event we had here in 2018, I noticed that nearly all of the pindos under 10 gallon size perished, while many of the older and more established specimens were defoliated but recovered in the warm months that followed. We reached 0 degrees and had 7 consecutive days below freezing. Hopefully this means there is hope for some of the Pindos out in the areas of Texas that reached similar temps recently 

you got down to 0f in NC thats hard to belive because we only got down to 9f

[Allen]

17 minutes ago, NC_Palm_Enthusiast said:

Back during the 150 year cold event we had here in 2018, I noticed that nearly all of the pindos under 10 gallon size perished, while many of the older and more established specimens were defoliated but recovered in the warm months that followed. We reached 0 degrees and had 7 consecutive days below freezing. Hopefully this means there is hope for some of the Pindos out in the areas of Texas that reached similar temps recently 

Just so happens I had a chat with Thomas Glasgow the County Extension Director at NC State university in New Bern NC in Feb 2019.  I still have one of the emails.  We were chatting about Trachycarpus survival rates in NC after 2018.  Here is a snippet of what he said in my email in regards to Butia in Feb of 2019 one year after the 2018 freeze.

"So I can't comment on how these lesser known plants performed, but my observations are that what we know to be Trachycarpus fortunei did exceptionally well, with a small percentage of losses. Losses to Sabal Palmetto were significant; Butia capitata was a disaster at any distance from the coast."

Here is one of his articles on the event

https://craven.ces.ncsu.edu/2018/02/winter-damage-to-palms-2018/

[NCFM]

1 hour ago, Allen said:

Just so happens I had a chat with Thomas Glasgow the County Extension Director at NC State university in New Bern NC in Feb 2019.  I still have one of the emails.  We were chatting about Trachycarpus survival rates in NC after 2018.  Here is a snippet of what he said in my email in regards to Butia in Feb of 2019 one year after the 2018 freeze.

"So I can't comment on how these lesser known plants performed, but my observations are that what we know to be Trachycarpus fortunei did exceptionally well, with a small percentage of losses. Losses to Sabal Palmetto were significant; Butia capitata was a disaster at any distance from the coast."

Here is one of his articles on the event

https://craven.ces.ncsu.edu/2018/02/winter-damage-to-palms-2018/

That's a good article, thanks for sharing. Gary Hollar of Gary's Nursery there in New Bern also reported that he had near total defoliation on both his pindos and sabal palmettos following that event. In the months that followed he saw similar death rates as I did here in the central part of the state. Most of his palmettos ended up pulling through, though he noted that his Bald Head Island varieties had higher survival rates than his Florida transplants.  Like Mr. Glasgow, he also reported that the Pindo losses were more significant, however he observed over the next several months that the older, established specimens had much higher rates of survival than the young. I got to see some of Mr. Hollar's Pindos that survived the freeze this past summer when I visited his nursery, and they had bounced back nicely. Hopefully we won't have another event like that any time soon!

[NCFM]

1 hour ago, climate change virginia said:

you got down to 0f in NC thats hard to belive because we only got down to 9f

Yes, it was awful. You can see some of the temps reached in New Bern, NC if you click on the article @Allen linked.  It was slightly worse further inland where I live.

Edited February 23, 2021 by NC_Palm_Enthusiast

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

Just leave it alone for a while. 

[Landasaw]

The three youngest spear fronds are dead and there's a hole in the middle where they used to be. The rest of the Palm looks pretty good but can a palm regenerate from that? 

[Allen]

1 hour ago, Landasaw said:

The three youngest spear fronds are dead and there's a hole in the middle where they used to be. The rest of the Palm looks pretty good but can a palm regenerate from that? 

yes but the smaller the palm the odds are low.  But give it a few months and treat it.

[Landasaw]

 

[Landasaw]

Well what do you know. 

[JLM]

2 hours ago, Landasaw said:

Well what do you know. 

Thats awesome!! I bet the recent warm spell contributed to this quite a bit, i know Nashville reached the low 80's i think either today or yesterday.

[Landasaw]

Yeah next winter I'm going with c9 lights and a cold frame.