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I decided I wanted a relatively small palm for the corner of an elevated planter and settled on a Coccothrinax barbadensis.  I'm curious to see larger more mature specimens so hope that you will share your experience.  Mine was in a greenhouse through last winter and I planted it at the very end of winter in early March.  It was a little stretched and continued pushing new more compact leaves (shorter rachis) after I put it in the ground in a sunny spot that gets late afternoon shade, but mostly unfiltered light mid-day in peak of summer.  Please share your experience an photos.

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.Mine gets less sun than it used to due to the P. Munroi blowing up behind it. So the petiols are a little more stretched than they used to be These love water and put out lots of roots

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Hey Tracy,

Here's a photo of mine from my Fallbrook garden from June 2019.  At this point the house had been a rental for almost 2 years so not quite as healthy looking as when I lived there, but gives you an idea on size.  I'd say the top railing of that bridge in my yard was probably at 10' tall.  According to my records (which I kept back then), I planted this in June 2012 from a 1 gallon plant, from Kevin Weaver.  

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20 hours ago, Tracy said:

I decided I wanted a relatively small palm for the corner of an elevated planter and settled on a Coccothrinax barbadensis.  I'm curious to see larger more mature specimens so hope that you will share your experience.  Mine was in a greenhouse through last winter and I planted it at the very end of winter in early March.  It was a little stretched and continued pushing new more compact leaves (shorter rachis) after I put it in the ground in a sunny spot that gets late afternoon shade, but mostly unfiltered light mid-day in peak of summer.  Please share your experience an photos.

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The more I look at your photo, I'm not sure that it's Barbadensis.  I learned that It's easy for Coccothrinax to be mislabeled in California nurseries.  Your leaflets are split really far down, compare that to the photo of mine and Adam's Barbadensis and it's more of an entire fan leaf than yours.  Also, your swollen base makes me think that maybe it could be Coccothrinax Spissa?  Do the leaflets have a thickness to them at all, or are they pretty thin?  

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1 hour ago, Hilo Jason said:

The more I look at your photo, I'm not sure that it's Barbadensis.  I learned that It's easy for Coccothrinax to be mislabeled in California nurseries.  Your leaflets are split really far down, compare that to the photo of mine and Adam's Barbadensis and it's more of an entire fan leaf than yours.  Also, your swollen base makes me think that maybe it could be Coccothrinax Spissa?  Do the leaflets have a thickness to them at all, or are they pretty thin?  

I was thinking the same thing also the leaflets droop at the ends and the hastula is orange .

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Thanks for posting a pic Jason i think mine came from the same seed batch from Kevin and I was trying to remember where I got it. They look to be about the same age

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2 hours ago, Hilo Jason said:

I learned that It's easy for Coccothrinax to be mislabeled in California nurseries.  Your leaflets are split really far down, compare that to the photo of mine and Adam's Barbadensis and it's more of an entire fan leaf than yours.  Also, your swollen base makes me think that maybe it could be Coccothrinax Spissa?  Do the leaflets have a thickness to them at all, or are they pretty thin?  

 

55 minutes ago, akamu said:

I was thinking the same thing also the leaflets droop at the ends and the hastula is orange .

Thank you gentlemen!  I agree after seeing pics of yours that mine is not C barbadensis.  This has pretty fine and thin leaflets.  Jason I saw a picture of the C, spissa in your Fallbrook garden and would be happy with that look in this spot, just as long as the trunk doesn't get too fat at the bottom.  There is limited space where I planted it, as I thought it would have a fairly narrow trunk.  Mine may change as it gets larger and more mature, but it definitely has very deeply divided leaves as a seedling.

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Mine was sold as C barbadensis from a dealer no longer doing business.  So it could be a hibred.  Don't have a close up of the leafs.  third photo is a "bird" planted palm about 10 feet away.  I assume the C barbadensis is the mama.

 

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11 hours ago, Tracy said:

 

Thank you gentlemen!  I agree after seeing pics of yours that mine is not C barbadensis.  This has pretty fine and thin leaflets.

Unfortunately,it's not even a coccothrinax...! The good news is that it will be a smaller palm though.Good,bad,or otherwise,it looks like a young Thrinax radiata to me.

 

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2 hours ago, aztropic said:

Unfortunately,it's not even a coccothrinax...! The good news is that it will be a smaller palm though.Good,bad,or otherwise,it looks like a young Thrinax radiata to me.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

I was hoping you would find this thread Scott. Thanks for clearing this up. When Tracy mentioned that the leaflets were thin, I figured it wasn’t C Spissa.  Now that you say Thrinax, I see that in the webbing / netting that doesn’t look coccothrinax. 

Still a nice palm and like you said, a small palm which is good for that spot that Tracy planted it. 

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4 hours ago, aztropic said:

Unfortunately,it's not even a coccothrinax...! The good news is that it will be a smaller palm though.Good,bad,or otherwise,it looks like a young Thrinax radiata to me.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

Well not the first mislabeled palm I have purchased and almost certainly not the last.  When I look at photos of Thrinax radiata on Palms for California (Palmpedia), the leaflets don't seem to be divided as deep as my young plant and it describes it as "Very Slow" growth rate here.  I planted it at the end of winter this year and all the leaves you see have emerged since I planted it.  The older leaves it had in the green house were more stretched, so it makes it easy to ascertain which were pre-planting and post-planting.  It will be interesting to see how this plant changes over time.  Thank you Scott!

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Here are a few pics (pic1,2) of the last small radiata I have in a pot,to compare.Notice the split leaf base - indicative of thrinax family.Fronds do get thicker and less divided with age.(pic3) Radiata has actually been a medium speed grower for me.

The other common thrinax,now Leucothrinax morrisii,is a much slower grower.(pic4,5)

As your plant ages,it will become easier to give it a more positive ID. :)

aztropic

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36 minutes ago, aztropic said:

Radiata has actually been a medium speed grower for me.

Scott, I assume that you've grown these from seed?  I've got one that I germinated that has been stuck with just a single strap leaf for 18 months with no new growth.  When do they speed up?  :huh:  I'm starting to wonder if it's actually Leucothrinax.

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Yes,I grew all those pictured from seed. A single strap in 18 months is not normal. Gotta change something... (heat,light,moisture)

Here is a pic to help you decide which you have. 3yo morrisii left, 2yo radiata right.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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On 9/9/2020 at 7:19 AM, aztropic said:

it looks like a young Thrinax radiata to me.

 

On 9/9/2020 at 1:11 PM, aztropic said:

Here are a few pics (pic1,2) of the last small radiata I have in a pot,to compare.Notice the split leaf base - indicative of thrinax family.Fronds do get thicker and less divided with age.(pic3) Radiata has actually been a medium speed grower for me.

Thanks for sharing the photos!  Here are a couple of closeups of my plant.  The thing that was throwing me was the deep divided leaflets, so it's helpful to know that they are less divided with age on Thrinax radiata.

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At that size, it still could be C barbadensis.  

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On 9/9/2020 at 1:11 PM, aztropic said:

Radiata has actually been a medium speed grower for me.

At this point, it keeps pushing new leaves to offset old ones dying about every 6-8 weeks even through winter here. It seems that would eliminate the Leucothrinax morrissii option.  Be it Thrinax radiata or something else, I'm happy with it's appearance at this point.

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On 9/9/2020 at 7:19 AM, aztropic said:

Unfortunately,it's not even a coccothrinax...! The good news is that it will be a smaller palm though.Good,bad,or otherwise,it looks like a young Thrinax radiata to me.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

Scott, I'm just curious as this has grown if you still are thinking Thrinax radiata or something else?  Leaves are still very split as you can see and no drooping to them.  Thanks in advance for your input.

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As it ages,it does look more like some type of a Coccothrinax. Maybe the original ID was correct after all. A lot of these closely related species are very hard to ID until they get to about 5 gallon size. Even then,many of them still look similar.

 

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Mesa,Arizona

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With many coccothrinax…. I pretty much give up on trying to identify them.  Man it can be hard, and so many hybrids in the mix.  That one has very nice, stiff, but thin leaflets.   Perhaps someone could post a similar aged barbadensis for comparison.   By now, the split bases of Thrinax radiata should be obvious….  These were 3 gallon babies last year   Now they are in 7g.  

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I’ve always though of barbadensis as a floppier coccothrinax.  The floppy ones aren’t my favs.       I like the look of yours quite a bit.   

Another Thrinax radiata……….   C. miraguama ssp roseocarpa……  C. Miriguama ssp miraguama..

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Thrinax radiata is a much faster grower for me than any coccothrinax….  1year later….

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C.m. Roseocarpa… 1 year later….

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On 10/5/2022 at 5:44 PM, aztropic said:

As it ages,it does look more like some type of a Coccothrinax. Maybe the original ID was correct after all. A lot of these closely related species are very hard to ID until they get to about 5 gallon size. Even then,many of them still look similar.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

It is creeping along and I do like it whatever it is.  I liked it in this light so thought it was a good time to capture another photo of it to update it's progression.  I also wanted to get another updated shot of the base of this ?? id palm.  Maybe I should just be calling it a "Caribbean basin palm".

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