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Butia lall....hmm, not sure

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I received this as Butia lallemantii. But I'm just not sure. It's solitary, for now, armed and flowering for the first time. It's holding 30 fronds which confuses me. I'm sure cultivated palms can hold more fronds than wild stuff, but this is in B. odorata territory on fronds. The habit is slightly floppy like B. lallemantii pictures I've seen, but it doesn't match any of Brazilian dwarfs very well. I thought purpuraescens, but this sucker is armed. Perhaps a small B. paraguaensis. P. lepidospatha?

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Longview, Texas :: Record Low: -5F, Feb. 16, 2021 :: Borderline 8A/8B :: '06-'07: 18F / '07-'08: 21F / '08-'09: 21F / '09-'10: 14F / '10-'11: 15F / '11-'12: 24F / '12-'13: 23F / '13-'14: 15F / '14-'15: 20F / '15-'16: 27F / '16-'17: 15F / '17-'18: 8F / '18-'19: 23F / '19-'20: 19F / '20-'21: -5F / '21-'22: 20F / '22-'23: 6F

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    Hmmm. I don't think its Paraguayensis. Looking forward to some flower pics

    How big is the trunk?

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    6"-8", maybe. 4' tall.

    Longview, Texas :: Record Low: -5F, Feb. 16, 2021 :: Borderline 8A/8B :: '06-'07: 18F / '07-'08: 21F / '08-'09: 21F / '09-'10: 14F / '10-'11: 15F / '11-'12: 24F / '12-'13: 23F / '13-'14: 15F / '14-'15: 20F / '15-'16: 27F / '16-'17: 15F / '17-'18: 8F / '18-'19: 23F / '19-'20: 19F / '20-'21: -5F / '21-'22: 20F / '22-'23: 6F

    What are "hmm" and "hmmm"?

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    I don't know. I'm leaning small B. paraguaensis. They're tiny ones out there. Still not ruling out B. lallemantii. Heck, maybe B. catarinensis. Yeah, leaning catarinensis.

    Longview, Texas :: Record Low: -5F, Feb. 16, 2021 :: Borderline 8A/8B :: '06-'07: 18F / '07-'08: 21F / '08-'09: 21F / '09-'10: 14F / '10-'11: 15F / '11-'12: 24F / '12-'13: 23F / '13-'14: 15F / '14-'15: 20F / '15-'16: 27F / '16-'17: 15F / '17-'18: 8F / '18-'19: 23F / '19-'20: 19F / '20-'21: -5F / '21-'22: 20F / '22-'23: 6F

    Dont you mean true capitata?  I think it's too small for Paraguayensis but maybe I suppose.   I dont think its llalmantii. 

    Here are my two purpurescens for comparison.  Even down at the base there isnt armor. It looks like there might be in the pic but you can run your finger all the way down.  I thought the big one would flower by now. 

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    Will true B. capitata flower when tiny? I love your B. purpurescens pic. Flowers coming soon.

    Longview, Texas :: Record Low: -5F, Feb. 16, 2021 :: Borderline 8A/8B :: '06-'07: 18F / '07-'08: 21F / '08-'09: 21F / '09-'10: 14F / '10-'11: 15F / '11-'12: 24F / '12-'13: 23F / '13-'14: 15F / '14-'15: 20F / '15-'16: 27F / '16-'17: 15F / '17-'18: 8F / '18-'19: 23F / '19-'20: 19F / '20-'21: -5F / '21-'22: 20F / '22-'23: 6F

    Who knows.  Everything flowers much faster in cultivation too.  How are your other dwarfs coming along? Decent seed set?

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    No fruit have held yet. Although the last two inflorescences on B. matogrossensis look like they're gonna hold some fruit. 

    Longview, Texas :: Record Low: -5F, Feb. 16, 2021 :: Borderline 8A/8B :: '06-'07: 18F / '07-'08: 21F / '08-'09: 21F / '09-'10: 14F / '10-'11: 15F / '11-'12: 24F / '12-'13: 23F / '13-'14: 15F / '14-'15: 20F / '15-'16: 27F / '16-'17: 15F / '17-'18: 8F / '18-'19: 23F / '19-'20: 19F / '20-'21: -5F / '21-'22: 20F / '22-'23: 6F

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