Florida native

[LI_Pets]

I designing a plan on new home, I realized the Sable is the only one.

If I want to get into grey area of tru FL palms what others would be worth considering
I'm in 9a

 

thanks

 

[Zeeth]

Where in Fl are you? Here's a list of native palms you can grow in 9a. I'm also including variations worth looking into:

Acoelorrhaphe wrightii

Acoelorrhaphe wrightii (Azul), same as above with blue leaves. (this variation is only found in Cuban populations)

Sabal palmetto

Sabal palmetto 'Lisa', this form has a mutation which keeps the leaves from fully dividing and is quite attractive

Sabal etonia

Sabal minor

Sabal minor 'Louisiana', this is a variety with larger, more robust leaves

Sabal minor 'Blountstown dwarf', there are actually many variations of Sabal minor, but this is one of the more popular ones. It stays much smaller than typical Sabal minor. Search through posts by user "PalmatierMeg" to see other variations of Sabal minor. 

Serenoa repens

Serenoa repens 'Blue'

Rhapidophyllum hystrix

 

Depending on your city, these might also be worth a shot:

Coccothrinax argentata subsp. argentata in 9b, this is the insular form, which can be found on Bahia Honda Key and grows quite tall.

Coccothrinax argentata subsp. garberi in 9b, this is the mainland form, which can be found in the rockland habitat on the Florida mainland as far north as Palm Beach county, and keeps a short trunk.

Leucothrinax morisii in 9b

 

Palms which may not grow in your area, but are native:

Pseudophoenix sargentii in 10a

Pseudophoenix sargentii var. navasana, a variation from Navassa Island off of Coastal Haiti which grows much more quickly than the standard P. sargentii

Pseudophoenix sargentii "Fat Boy", a variation which grows a fatter trunk than standard P. sargentii. 

Roystonea regia in 10a

Thrinax radiata in 10a

 

[Bill H2DB]

 Glad to see that you are interested in the native palms .

Can you define your location a bit more ?

"Central Florida"  covers a great range of Microclimate , and geography .

S. Minor , S. Palmetto , S. Etonia , Serenoa Repens ,  Rhapidophyllum Hystrix , are bulletproof about anywhere , but others , not so much

depending on your location .

 

[LI_Pets]

Hi I'm in zip 32163, The Villages,

30min  S of Ocala

[Zeeth]

1 hour ago, LI_Pets said:

Hi I'm in zip 32163, The Villages,

30min  S of Ocala

Yeah I'd go with the palms in the first 1/3 of my list then, the second third would probably be a bit of a stretch in the Villages. 

[LI_Pets]

thanks,

[palmsOrl]

What Keith said for sure.

[jreich85]

14 hours ago, Zeeth said:

Where in Fl are you? Here's a list of native palms you can grow in 9a. I'm also including variations worth looking into:

Acoelorrhaphe wrightii

Acoelorrhaphe wrightii (Azul), same as above with blue leaves. (this variation is only found in Cuban populations)

Sabal palmetto

Sabal palmetto 'Lisa', this form has a mutation which keeps the leaves from fully dividing and is quite attractive

Sabal etonia

Sabal minor

Sabal minor 'Louisiana', this is a variety with larger, more robust leaves

Sabal minor 'Blountstown dwarf', there are actually many variations of Sabal minor, but this is one of the more popular ones. It stays much smaller than typical Sabal minor. Search through posts by user "PalmatierMeg" to see other variations of Sabal minor. 

Serenoa repens

Serenoa repens 'Blue'

Rhapidophyllum hystrix

 

Depending on your city, these might also be worth a shot:

Coccothrinax argentata subsp. argentata in 9b, this is the insular form, which can be found on Bahia Honda Key and grows quite tall.

Coccothrinax argentata subsp. garberi in 9b, this is the mainland form, which can be found in the rockland habitat on the Florida mainland as far north as Palm Beach county, and keeps a short trunk.

Leucothrinax morisii in 9b

 

Palms which may not grow in your area, but are native:

Pseudophoenix sargentii in 10a

Pseudophoenix sargentii var. navasana, a variation from Navassa Island off of Coastal Haiti which grows much more quickly than the standard P. sargentii

Pseudophoenix sargentii "Fat Boy", a variation which grows a fatter trunk than standard P. sargentii. 

Roystonea regia in 10a

Thrinax radiata in 10a

 

I’m intrigued by the Coccothrinax argentata sp. argentata that you mention on Bahia Honda. I’ve already been interested in trying to zone push the “thrinax” species and hope to be in Marathon in August. Is there any way or tips you can give that I can further identify C. argentata sp. argentata and grab some seeds or seedlings?

[kinzyjr]

4 minutes ago, jreich85 said:

I’m intrigued by the Coccothrinax argentata sp. argentata that you mention on Bahia Honda. I’ve already been interested in trying to zone push the “thrinax” species and hope to be in Marathon in August. Is there any way or tips you can give that I can further identify C. argentata sp. argentata and grab some seeds or seedlings?

This link may help: https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/48923-national-champion-coccothrinax-argentata/

[jreich85]

3 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

This link may help: https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/48923-national-champion-coccothrinax-argentata/

Awesome, thanks!! I hadn’t seen Keith’s original thread before. I’ll definitely give it a shot in a few months.

[LI_Pets]

The current plan calls for 2 10' and 1 8' Sable, which of these might be the best substitute in your opinion as taller similar type specimen?

Any thought on a Mule or Sylvester?

[sonoranfans]

If you are looking at non natives, I'd consider replacing one or two of your sabal palmettos with sabal causiarum and sabal uresana.  The causiarum is 2x the width of sabal palmetto and its from the nearby carribean.  they will take 15F no problem and grows much faster and ultimately will self shed, saving you lots of work trimming.  Sabal uresana is a pretty blue-green color that is unique among all sabals.  Sabal riverside is another great 8b/9a palm, but availability on the east coast is limited.   If you are new into palms, restricting to natives will really reduce the possibilities in 9a.  Mules are great palms, perhaps th emost tropical looking 9a palm.  I would also look at butia x Jubea hybrids, gorgeous feather palms that will thrive there with grey green crowns that pop.  Variety is the spice, IMO. 

[LI_Pets]

can someone ID this one?

looks really nice was told it goes to 20"

the owner didn't know the name, said 7 years ago was 5' tall

 

 

 

[kinzyjr]

17 minutes ago, LI_Pets said:

can someone ID this one?

looks really nice was told it goes to 20"

the owner didn't know the name, said 7 years ago was 5' tall

Looks like Washingtonia robusta (Mexican Fan Palm).  If it is, it will be 20 feet in no time.  Their max height is ~100 feet, but they usually get hit by lightning or die from disease before they hit that height in Florida.  Cold hardy to the high teens or low 20s here in Florida. 

The good:  Fast growing, nice foliage and attractive leaf base scars on the trunk.  Trunk can be cleaned to get rid of leaf scars if you desire that appearance.

The bad: You'll pull hundreds of seedlings every year to keep it solitary.  Trimming quickly becomes a chore or even impossible without a fire truck as it gets taller.

You can see an avenue full of them with cleaned trunks here: Cleveland Heights Blvd. - Lakeland, FL

[sonoranfans]

If you have to pay someone to trim a washie robusta when it hits 30', it will cost 300-500 a tree for every trim.  So for me it ends up being a VERY expensive palm.  Your buy price might be low, but the cost to own, like an expensive european can, will be very high.  Slow growers can be trimmed witha  pole saw, fast growers need to be self shedding if you dont want a big landscaping bill in the future.

[Kailua_Krish]

For a similar look to the Washingtonia in your area try to find Livistona nitida. Most of the livistona do really well in central florida and complement natives nicely.

[Zeeth]

19 hours ago, jreich85 said:

I’m intrigued by the Coccothrinax argentata sp. argentata that you mention on Bahia Honda. I’ve already been interested in trying to zone push the “thrinax” species and hope to be in Marathon in August. Is there any way or tips you can give that I can further identify C. argentata sp. argentata and grab some seeds or seedlings?

Definitely check out the thread I made a while back linked by kinzyjr! Those national champion trees ended up getting killed by Irma, but the park has tons of C. argentata sp. argentata and they end up growing into a larger palm than the mainland subspecies. 

I also think that the ideas suggested by sonoranfans and krishna are good ones! Good luck!

[jreich85]

14 hours ago, krishnaraoji88 said:

For a similar look to the Washingtonia in your area try to find Livistona nitida. Most of the livistona do really well in central florida and complement natives nicely.

I agree. Livistona species seem to be getting popular around N . Florida, appear pretty bulletproof here and compliment the sabals well. Chinensis seem to be one of the most common. Decora IMO is prettiest with their weeping fronds.

Another downside of Washingtonia robusta is the thorns. They are vicious and seem to always manage to stick you when pruning.

[LI_Pets]

I agree, was cutting off some dead stuff, one thorn went into my arm hit the bone, wow did it hurt for several days

 

[kinzyjr]

7 hours ago, jreich85 said:

I agree. Livistona species seem to be getting popular around N . Florida, appear pretty bulletproof here and compliment the sabals well. Chinensis seem to be one of the most common. Decora IMO is prettiest with their weeping fronds.

Another downside of Washingtonia robusta is the thorns. They are vicious and seem to always manage to stick you when pruning.

Livistona are popular hear as they are very resistant to Lethal Bronzing and most are hardy to our record low temperatures.  We have the following species in the area: Livistona australis, Livistona chinensis, Livistona decora, Livistona mariae, Livistona muelleri, Livistona rigida and Livistona saribus.  Out of all of them, I favor decora the most as well.  Still looking for a specimen of Livistona chinensis var. subglobosa for @RJ.  Just keep in mind that Livistona is armed as well - especially Livistona saribus!

[Kailua_Krish]

Livistona saribus is still one of my favorites even with the thorns, its hard to beat the tropical appearance of it combined with its hardiness. 

[sonoranfans]

I have livistona decora, livistona chinensis, livistona saribus, and livistona mariae.  I really do like decora but they are easily ripped up in the wind, mine is only now recovering fully from IRMA.  The best looking of them is IMO saribus, the leaves are so tropical looking.  Saribus is relatively slow growing among that group with decora easily the fastest in putting on height.  the good thing about saribus is its easy to trim, no  ladder needed.  All of my livistonas look better than Washingtonia robusta, which seems to prefer less humidity as they looked notably better in arizona.  The good news about the livistonas is most of them self shed, at least eventually.  My decora with 13' trunk started shedding to clean trunk late last year and my mariae a few feet shorter, started the last few months.  Self shedding saves $$ and time/work.