Super Decipians by Ron Lawyer

[Gtlevine]

I am posting this picture of Ron Lawyers Super Decipians. The new leaf is pink like a Chambeyronia, really nice 15 gallon plant. Since I have not seen the plant in person, I make no assumptions that the photo has not been altered, Ron will have to guarantee the authenticity himself.

Gary

[Gonzer]

Could it just be an anomaly? You'd think there would be photos of the other fronds emerging. Then again, I've seen wierder things in Ron's collection.

[LJG]

Considering Ron does not know how to even take pictures and post them, I doubt it was altered. (Just joking Ron)

Gary, did Ron see the new leaf? If so, the price just went up!

[neoflora]

I have about 7- 5gals. & few 15 gals. That's all! When they are gone they are gone. This was a one time seed deal. There are no more seeds coming !

[pogobob]

That leaf is red because Ron spilled his rum on it! :laugh:

[JD in the OC]

[The Germinator]

Mine are currently pushing out leaves with the that same hue on the petioles I hope they mature like that one.

I call them the Purple Petiole People Eater decipiens.

[madagascarbob]

Mine just pushed a green leaf,guess I gotta get me some Rum.

[Geoff]

http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/57406/

This link is to the DAvesgarden.com site where I posted two photos of Mardy Darian's Super Decipiens... the 3rd and 4th photos down are that plant... I have to say, the colors in person were outstanding!

[Dan OKeeffe]

Do super decipiens have accelerated growth rates?  If so any comparisons for other palms growth rates.

Thanks

[DoomsDave]

(The Germinator @ Jul. 06 2007,08:07)

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I call them the Purple Petiole People Eater decipiens.

:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

Hope they grow at least a little bit faster . . . .

[MattyB]

This is growing at Dean's in Leucadia, CA.

DeanO, is this a super decipiens?  They all seem to vary from what I've seen.  Except the crazzzzzyy purple one Jeff from Trabuco Canyon found at Jungle Music.  I'm mad at him for that.  Maybe he could post a pic.

[tropicalb]

can't see the pic in Gary's post.

[Gtlevine]

The photo is no longer in my file, this post was last summer. Maybe Ron can repost the photo.

Gary

[Dypsisdean]

(MattyB @ Jan. 31 2008,08:08)

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This is growing at Dean's in Leucadia, CA.

DeanO, is this a super decipiens?  They all seem to vary from what I've seen.  Except the crazzzzzyy purple one Jeff from Trabuco Canyon found at Jungle Music.  I'm mad at him for that.  Maybe he could post a pic.

Not sure Matty, because I am not sure what a "Super Decipiens" is other than a colorful DD.

My large trunking DD was always green with no color at all. The pic you posted was one of two from Louis Hooper years ago, with the one pictured in deep shade, becoming less colorful and slower than the other in the sun. That larger one is still holding good color, but is a long way from trunking.

I purchased a very colorful one from Jungle Music that had shades of purple and pink up to a five gal and has slowly lost some of those shades, but has retained the dark red spear and petiole.

So whether the more colorful DD is a faster or more robust grower, or retains those intense colorations as a trunking adult, IMO, is still open for debate. As you know, my totally green one is a nice robust specimen, and as my colorful ones mature, the color is becoming less intense. In either case the more colorful ones are prettier as juveniles, and I am inclined to think they may be faster growing as well. In addition, I think they may divide more readily.

[LJG]

It is funny how all this stuff works out and terms move around.  As I understand it...

- Mardy Darian brought in "Super Decipiens" himself. I saw some plants he has in 15s and 5s. When asked about them he would glow. He stated it was one of the most colorful palms he saw in Madagascar. Bluish leaflets, red petiole, pink new opening leaf, and beautiful trunk. He likes this plant so much he is holding on to many to take to HI. Now who knows how much of this was salesman's ship and truth. But I can tell you looking at them, they do have much more color.

- I believe Ron got his from Mardy? I know Ron also has some he labeled "Blue Plumose". Same thing?

I have heard so many people call a true or normal Decipiens "Super' because they see a colorful petiole when young. As far as I know, it has to maintain that color into adulthood and it needs to have the pink/redish new leaf. Like so many of the other Dypsis, so much is convoluted that the truth about the plant is hard to find.

Maybe Ron or Gary can expand? I have always been curious about what the real ""Super Decipiens"" came from.

[deezpalms]

I don't know why Mardy thinks he can take any palms to Hawaii. Unless he's got some kind of "special" privilege since Hawaii does not allow any palms to be brought into the state, at all. I've looked into it but at least you can bring cycads  

[neoflora]

Len, Did I try to sell you one of these? If you remember right, I tried to evade selling any. What does that say about the palm. You have been to Mardys. You saw his palm. Tell me what you think. The ones I am growing came from the same place. Are there imposters out there? Well yeah!

[LJG]

(neoflora @ Jan. 31 2008,18:12)

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Len, Did I try to sell you one of these? If you remember right, I tried to evade selling any. What does that say about the palm. You have been to Mardys. You saw his palm. Tell me what you think. The ones I am growing came from the same place. Are there imposters out there? Well yeah!

Yes you did. Labeled "BP" on the pot. 15 Gallon.

I am with you on there being a large difference between what Mardy collected/has and what others self-stamp as Super D.

[Dypsisdean]

Let me clarify a point I was trying to make above ---

As far as I know there are no "Super Decipiens" around that are anywhere close to trunking yet. They are all "young" (under 20-25 years old) plants, certainly nowhere near flowering either.

As any veteran grower knows, there are many Dypsis that exhibit some nice shades of color as a young plant that change dramatically as the plant reaches maturity. Many lose their color entirely and show intense white or glaucus coloration instead.

The very colorful DD I have, while still maintaining bright red in the spear and petiole, has lost it's purple, blue, and tinge of orange it had as a younger plant.

Here is a pic of this colorful individual when it was a 5 gal plant.

And here is a recent pic of the same plant as a large 20 gal size (in the ground).

Hopefully this plant will maintain some of it's juvenile coloration, but until I see an adult trunking specimen, I have no way or knowing if adult plants will remain as distinguishable from the "all green" variety as are the juveniles.

And that is why I will remain curious as to what colors a "Super Decipiens" will retain until I am lucky enough to see one with several feet of trunk.

[Gtlevine]

Let me clarify this Dean, Doc Darian has a trunking Super Decipians and it is amazing. The leaf opens bright red and the palm is full of color. One thing I noticed while in Madagascar was D.D. has got to be one of the most variable palms around.

Gary

[Dypsisdean]

Cool Gary,

If so, I stand corrected

When I saw it 6-8 years ago, I would have estimatd 8 years or so before beginning to trunk and another 5  before any trunk to speak of.

How many feet of trunk would you estimate his tallest stem has today? And is it the mature trunking stems that still retain the intense color, or the smaller ones yet to form trunk? If I remember correctly, this palm had several stems.

Does anyone know where a recent pic of this palm is?

One more question Gary. Did you see mature DD with color in Madagascar? And if so, do you have any pics?

[Gtlevine]

(Dypsisdean @ Jan. 31 2008,23:51)

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Cool Gary,

If so, I stand corrected

When I saw it 6-8 years ago, I would have estimatd 8 years or so before beginning to trunk and another 5  before any trunk to speak of.

How many feet of trunk would you estimate his tallest stem has today? And is it the mature trunking stems that still retain the intense color, or the smaller ones yet to form trunk? If I remember correctly, this palm had several stems.

Does anyone know where a recent pic of this palm is?

One more question Gary. Did you see mature DD with color in Madagascar? And if so, do you have any pics?

Docs is a double trunk specimen and it is the same size as your palm in Leucadia. Both stems have the color, it is beautiful. I don't recall seeing any in Madagascar with the color of MArdy's palm.

Gary

[MattyB]

Now let me clarify one thing; just in case there was any confusion.  I want them all.  That's all.

[Dypsisdean]

(Gtlevine @ Feb. 01 2008,06:00)

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(Dypsisdean @ Jan. 31 2008,23:51)

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Cool Gary,

If so, I stand corrected

When I saw it 6-8 years ago, I would have estimatd 8 years or so before beginning to trunk and another 5  before any trunk to speak of.

How many feet of trunk would you estimate his tallest stem has today? And is it the mature trunking stems that still retain the intense color, or the smaller ones yet to form trunk? If I remember correctly, this palm had several stems.

Does anyone know where a recent pic of this palm is?

One more question Gary. Did you see mature DD with color in Madagascar? And if so, do you have any pics?

Docs is a double trunk specimen and it is the same size as your palm in Leucadia. Both stems have the color, it is beautiful. I don't recall seeing any in Madagascar with the color of MArdy's palm.

Gary

Thanks for the info Gary.

There must be a recent picture of this palm around somewhere. It would certainly be worth a "thousand words."

I recall seeing another DD I believe he also called "Super Decipiens" that had nine stems. Did you happen to see that one as well?

[Tyrone]

I've found that Dypsis decipiens is a variable little thing, and most I've seen have some red colouring somewhere that increases in the winter. The cooler it gets the redder it becomes and then new spears open up with that pinkish orangey hue. D lutescens exhibits this sort of tendency minus the pinkish orangey hue on the new leaf, and Dypsis lanceolata also is more colourful in the cooler weather with the pinky orangey new leaf. There are many other Dypsis that tend to do this. Come summer most of my reddy decipiens have mostly reverted back to a greener colouration. When they get bigger this colouring may stop or decrease.

My two cents  

Best regards

Tyrone

[BS Man about Palms]

Heres a pic of the one at Rons house. Not sure if it is supposed to be one of the colored ones, but is definately blue!

[BS Man about Palms]

Here is smaller one I have that seems to have that reddish/lilac tint to the spear/leafs as it opens.  I have two that do this. They came from Palm Mountain and may have come from Mardy.

[Urban Rainforest]

My DD in my front yard I believe may be the super Decipiens. It has blue/green colored fronds and opens a new lavender leaf. It also has very colorfull spears. Anyhows it's super to me   . Here are a few older pics. It's much larger now and has 3 trunks.

[Urban Rainforest]

Colorfull spear.

[BS Man about Palms]

Looks Super!

[Urban Rainforest]

(BS, Man about Palms @ Feb. 05 2008,01:40)

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Looks Super!

Thanks BS, It looked a lot like your little one when it was small.

Steve