22 hours ago, realarch said:

 Intermittent rain showers this morning and I couldn't resist posting a few photos. 

An unkown Dypsis, I have no ideas, but it's looks like it's gonna be BIG.

 

 

Wow, thanks for posting all these Dypsis pics Tim!  This one that I have quoted is very possibly the real deal Tokoravina!  I just lost mine in my garden, but thankfully was able to get a replacement plant that will go in the ground this week.  

Bill Austin's garden is incredible and home to some of the best Dypsis here on the Big Island.  Lots of Dypsis Mysteries in his garden! 

Bill Austin's garden pics always blow me away! What an amazing collection!

This is my only true "mystery" Dypsis. It came without a label, but on the receipt was written "Dypsis sp. 'Tsaravoasira'" However Bo and I were buying a truckload of palms at Floribunda, and that notation on the receipt is probably totally meaningless. Jeff said he didn't know what it was. Maybe it will grow up to look like Tim's big mystery palm. 

 

36 minutes ago, Kim said:

Bill Austin's garden pics always blow me away! What an amazing collection!

This is my only true "mystery" Dypsis. It came without a label, but on the receipt was written "Dypsis sp. 'Tsaravoasira'" However Bo and I were buying a truckload of palms at Floribunda, and that notation on the receipt is probably totally meaningless. Jeff said he didn't know what it was. Maybe it will grow up to look like Tim's big mystery palm. 

 

Hey Kim, thanks for posting this.  I also bought one of these from Jeff awhile back.  Same deal, he labeled it as "Dypsis sp. 'Tsaravoasira'" but wasn't 100% sure.  

Here's a picture from Sept 2018: 

And here it is today, August 2019: 

I actually moved this palm from my backyard into a spot in my front yard where it would have more room, with the belief that it was going to turn into the Tokoravina type palm that Tim posted.  I am now seeing that this is something else, not what I believe is the true Tokoravina.  Different leaflet arrangement, different coloring starting to emerge on the base, etc...  This one is starting to look similar to D. Robusta, but time will tell.  Whatever it is, it's fast, but most of these big Dypsis seem to be fast here on the Big Island.  

22 minutes ago, Hilo Jason said:

Hey Kim, thanks for posting this.  I also bought one of these from Jeff awhile back.  Same deal, he labeled it as "Dypsis sp. 'Tsaravoasira'" but wasn't 100% sure.  

Here's a picture from Sept 2018: 

And here it is today, August 2019: 

I actually moved this palm from my backyard into a spot in my front yard where it would have more room, with the belief that it was going to turn into the Tokoravina type palm that Tim posted.  I am now seeing that this is something else, not what I believe is the true Tokoravina.  Different leaflet arrangement, different coloring starting to emerge on the base, etc...  This one is starting to look similar to D. Robusta, but time will tell.  Whatever it is, it's fast, but most of these big Dypsis seem to be fast here on the Big Island.  

Wow, thanks for posting yours, Jason! For sure these will be BIG palms! Mine is in a spot giving it plenty of room to explode upward and outward. 

Anyone got a name for this yet?  Key features include: long petioles, lots of fur, very straight petiole and rachis, frosting on the leaflet edges.

I have more photos but have hit the 8mb limit!

More detail..

Amazing collections everyone.

1 hour ago, LJG said:

Amazing collections everyone.

I’d love to see some updated pics of your Dypsis on here Len. Big Red, Canaliculata, your many hybrids, and more.  You have some of the best around! 

2 hours ago, richnorm said:

Anyone got a name for this yet?  Key features include: long petioles, lots of fur, very straight petiole and rachis, frosting on the leaflet edges.

Is that Dypsis Hankona?  First thing that came to my mind when I saw your pics. Unless it gets a red fuzzy crownshaft then it could be that Plumose Lastelliana type that does have an official name, but I don’t recall what it is at the moment. 

1 hour ago, richnorm said:

More detail..

Also makes me think of one of the “Betefaka” that was going around years ago. Is this a slow grower?  The Plumose leafed “betefaka” is a slow palm!

2 hours ago, Hilo Jason said:

Also makes me think of one of the “Betefaka” that was going around years ago. Is this a slow grower?  The Plumose leafed “betefaka” is a slow palm!

Very slow indeed but finally speeding up! Over 20 years and I lost one last year in a dry spell!   I think it came from Inga Hoffman. It's always been known as Dypsis Tsaratanensis here.   I think it sometimes goes as Honkona or Hankona elsewhere.  

10 hours ago, richnorm said:

Very slow indeed but finally speeding up! Over 20 years and I lost one last year in a dry spell!   I think it came from Inga Hoffman. It's always been known as Dypsis Tsaratanensis here.   I think it sometimes goes as Honkona or Hankona elsewhere.  

hey Rich, this thread jogged my memory a bit about a thread I started a few years ago.  Link below to that.  But looks like this is that same palm you posted there.  Very interesting to see the new spear has gone from red when younger to whitish grey now.  I was recently at Bill Austin's place and took a picture of his and it also no longer has the red new push.  So looking like that was just a juvenile trait which is no surprise for Dypsis.  I am now 99% convinced that this is the palm known here in Hawaii as Dypsis Hankona. 

And here's Bill Austin's palm that used to have a red spear and no longer does: 

On 8/25/2019 at 10:31 AM, realarch said:

 Intermittent rain showers this morning and I couldn't resist posting a few photos. 

An unkown Dypsis, I have no ideas, but it's looks like it's gonna be BIG.

 

 

Hey Tim, Here's what you have to look forward to with this palm!  This is what it looks like at Bill's place these days!  This is the one that has been keyed out to match up with the Tokoravina description in the Palms Of Madagascar book.  I didn't do the comparing, gotta give @knell the credit for that!!   Mine unfortunately just died, but thankfully I was able to get a backup plant that will go in the ground this week. 

 

53 minutes ago, Hilo Jason said:

Hey Tim, Here's what you have to look forward to with this palm!  This is what it looks like at Bill's place these days!  This is the one that has been keyed out to match up with the Tokoravina description in the Palms Of Madagascar book.  I didn't do the comparing, gotta give @knell the credit for that!!   Mine unfortunately just died, but thankfully I was able to get a backup plant that will go in the ground this week. 

 

Here's my 2 cents on some of the discussion - but no where near certain. Isn't the palm shown above (and elsewhere), the palm formerly known as Jurassic Park and for a time thought to be D. tokoravina? I'm thinking this might also be the same palm as Mony Mony.

And the one Jason (or Rich) said may be Hankona/Honkona - I believe is/was called Honkona over 15 yrs ago (a very slow palm around for a long time, and as mentioned also called D. tsaratanensis. The name Hankona was briefly applied/given to the Blue Decipiens which was also called Betafaka, and the "Butt Ugly" palm.

I'll take some pics of my small Jurrasic Park (from Jeff M's tree) and a fairly old (still smaller) Honkona when I get a chance.

Confusion has reigned because the name "betafaka" was given to at least three different palms that I know of - including "Hankona" and "Honkona." And the names Honkona and Hankona were swapped and intermingled indiscriminately many times. And the Jurrasic Park palm has suffered from an identity crisis for a long time - having suffered the fate of several other Dypsis by having a "real" "official" name given to them only to have it later revoked.

There, now that I've cleared all that up....

If you don't like or agree with any of these names don't worry - it's like Hawaiian weather - just wait ten minutes.

Thanks for clearing that up Dean!  Seems the mysteries of 10, 15 years ago are still the same!

Jason re spear colour, I seem to have three phenotypes ie white, red, and green. The red one died much to my dismay after such a long journey together.

On 8/10/2019 at 10:02 AM, BS Man about Palms said:

I had one from a friend in Florida.. It did well, then I neglected it a bit too much.. now gone  But I have another large Dypsis in the pot still marked as "mony mony"...

 

are u sure a gopher didn't get it??

On 8/27/2019 at 3:11 PM, Dypsisdean said:

Here's my 2 cents on some of the discussion - but no where near certain. Isn't the palm shown above (and elsewhere), the palm formerly known as Jurassic Park and for a time thought to be D. tokoravina? I'm thinking this might also be the same palm as Mony Mony.

And the one Jason (or Rich) said may be Hankona/Honkona - I believe is/was called Honkona over 15 yrs ago (a very slow palm around for a long time, and as mentioned also called D. tsaratanensis. The name Hankona was briefly applied/given to the Blue Decipiens which was also called Betafaka, and the "Butt Ugly" palm.

I'll take some pics of my small Jurrasic Park (from Jeff M's tree) and a fairly old (still smaller) Honkona when I get a chance.

Confusion has reigned because the name "betafaka" was given to at least three different palms that I know of - including "Hankona" and "Honkona." And the names Honkona and Hankona were swapped and intermingled indiscriminately many times. And the Jurrasic Park palm has suffered from an identity crisis for a long time - having suffered the fate of several other Dypsis by having a "real" "official" name given to them only to have it later revoked.

There, now that I've cleared all that up....

If you don't like or agree with any of these names don't worry - it's like Hawaiian weather - just wait ten minutes.

I dont think the blue Decipiens was ever really Hankona. Only the “butt -ugly betefaka” (given that name after It being compared in small size, ugly-duckling stage to the now famous betefaka with very irregular leaflets palm that Mardy and Lawyer got from Alfred, and which created a craze on PT around 2007). Jerry Andersen (originator of all these palms dispersal in SoCal) had two seed batches come in of two very similar palms. “Betefaka” (turned out to be the blue D - as mine is) and Hankona, which turned into a very similar looking stiff-leafed green Decipiens type thing that proved difficult to grow and most people don’t have in collections now. I think because these two palms were so similar looking, the nursery might have mixed up a few and caused some of the confusion. To make matters worse, Ortanique (now defunct) had seed called “Hovitra” which I have in the ground and while super slow, is turning out to be that stiff-leaf green Decipiens thing Hankona was. 

Well, that’s my side of the story anyway...

9 hours ago, Hilo Jason said:

Hey Tim, Here's what you have to look forward to with this palm!  This is what it looks like at Bill's place these days!  This is the one that has been keyed out to match up with the Tokoravina description in the Palms Of Madagascar book.  I didn't do the comparing, gotta give @knell the credit for that!!   Mine unfortunately just died, but thankfully I was able to get a backup plant that will go in the ground this week. 

 

I have never seen another large Dypsis have this unique coloration. Plain green petiole with stark delineation line to brown tomentum. All these Marcus “aff. Tokoravina” plants he spread around have it that I have seen. I wonder if Jeff has seen other big Dypsis do this? 

 

15 hours ago, LJG said:

I have never seen another large Dypsis have this unique coloration. Plain green petiole with stark delineation line to brown tomentum. All these Marcus “aff. Tokoravina” plants he spread around have it that I have seen. I wonder if Jeff has seen other big Dypsis do this? 

 

Len - I agree with you on this.  This seems like a very unique feature when it comes to big Dypsis.  Most seem to get the white and red color mix like Prestoniana, Robusta, etc...  I've never seen another large Dypsis like this in any of the gardens I've toured here in the past 2 years.  I feel like some of the photos of Tokoravina in the Palms of Madagascar book also show this feature. 

On 8/27/2019 at 11:11 AM, Dypsisdean said:

I'll take some pics of my small Jurrasic Park (from Jeff M's tree) and a fairly old (still smaller)

FWIW - and as promised - here are some pics of a "Jurrasic Park" from seed off of Jeff M's tree.

3 hours ago, Dypsisdean said:

FWIW - and as promised - here are some pics of a "Jurrasic Park" from seed off of Jeff M's tree.

Thanks for the pictures Dean.  Great looking palm. I’ll have to look for that parent plant when I’m at Floribunda again. 

On 9/3/2019 at 9:50 PM, Dypsisdean said:

FWIW - and as promised - here are some pics of a "Jurrasic Park" from seed off of Jeff M's tree.

I was looking up old posts on Dypsis "Jurassic Park" because that was what the 1 gallon container was marked when I got this from Josh a few year's back.  He acquired it on a shipment from Jeff Marcus probably around 2014 if I remember correctly and I planted it in 2015 or 16.   It never holds many leaves, and I was just comparing the undersides of the latest new leaf to my other large Dypsis since it had the little brown fuzz spots on the undersides of the leaflets.  I know there is a term for it, I just don't recall.  Bottom line, I did see this on the backsides of my Dypsis robusta but not on the prestonias.  Leaflets are much narrower in width than either of those when they were similar size.  I would love to see what yours looks like now Dean, as well as hear your thoughts on how this compares to what you recall yours looking like at a similar size.  I'll have to get a photo of the base as well and post. 

3 hours ago, Tracy said:

I'll have to get a photo of the base as well and post.

There is a heel, but it's just buried under the bark chips in the photo of the base.  Somewhat irregular spacing on leaflets and while not fully plumose, the leaflets aren't all in the same plane coming off the rachis.

Tracy - That looks to me like what is now known as Dypsis Pilulifera.  If I remember correctly what is now Pilulifera was sold in the past as Sp, Jurassic Park.  

This Pilulifera is a really nice palm.  It's similar to the Sp. Orange Crush as it has a bright orange crownshaft when a leaf base drops, but becomes plumose as it matures.   Sp. Orange Crush keeps regular leaflets.   I also feel like the Pilulifera is a beefier palm, based on mature examples I've seen at Floribunda.  

Really well grown there in So Cal! 

 

4 hours ago, Hilo Jason said:

Tracy - That looks to me like what is now known as Dypsis Pilulifera.  If I remember correctly what is now Pilulifera was sold in the past as Sp, Jurassic Park.  

This Pilulifera is a really nice palm.  It's similar to the Sp. Orange Crush as it has a bright orange crownshaft when a leaf base drops, but becomes plumose as it matures.   Sp. Orange Crush keeps regular leaflets.   I also feel like the Pilulifera is a beefier palm, based on mature examples I've seen at Floribunda.  

Really well grown there in So Cal! 

 

We are still living through the Dypsis dynamic naming times and it can be challenging keeping up.  Appreciate the guidance on this one and feel even better that Len has also given you a thumbs up on this, so with the two of you possessing first hand Madagascar experience telling me this instills confidence.

Thought I’d update some photos above of the Dypsis, whatever it is, 

Tim

 

5 hours ago, realarch said:

Thought I’d update some photos above of the Dypsis, whatever it is, 

Tim

 

Thanks Tim, getting big!

Sorry about the mess my yard has been neglected but I have this mystery dypsis that grows slow but now has a pup coming up from the side. Does anyone recognize this palm? Might not be dipsis but not sure

This one is turning into a beautiful palm

Dypsis Fibrosa - the new leaves are reddish brown, waiting it's turn to be planted in the ground.

On 10/31/2021 at 7:18 AM, John hovancsek said:

Sorry about the mess my yard has been neglected but I have this mystery dypsis that grows slow but now has a pup coming up from the side. Does anyone recognize this palm? Might not be dipsis but not sure

Hey John, I have that palm as well and believe it was labeled Dypsis Malcomberi when I got it. Definitely on the slower side. And who knows what it really is and I’ve seen at least 4 different “Malcomberi” around the Big Island, hah!

I bought three "Dypsis baronii" plants from Floribunda last July, and one of them doesn't look like the other two. Do you think I might have gotten a different plant on this one? Totally fine if so... just curious what it is. 

Photo of the entire plant...

Photo of the mystery plant (in front) with its two baronii "brothers" behind...

And a closeup of the base...

Based on online research, I'm thinking it might be a Dypsis onilahensis... maybe an upright one? Mainly because of the white powdery coating and purple tint. Curious if others think that's the case, or if it's indeed a baronii (or perhaps something totally different). 

Oh, and I did notice the "scrunchy" leaf on this one, but hoping that's something it will outgrow (I gave it a slow release fertilizer in late Fall, and will give it more in the Spring) The plant looks healthy otherwise.

Thanks in advance for any ID guesses 

3 hours ago, iDesign said:

I bought three "Dypsis baronii" plants from Floribunda last July, and one of them doesn't look like the other two. Do you think I might have gotten a different plant on this one? Totally fine if so... just curious what it is. 

Photo of the entire plant...

Photo of the mystery plant (in front) with its two baronii "brothers" behind...

And a closeup of the base...

Based on online research, I'm thinking it might be a Dypsis onilahensis... maybe an upright one? Mainly because of the white powdery coating and purple tint. Curious if others think that's the case, or if it's indeed a baronii (or perhaps something totally different). 

Oh, and I did notice the "scrunchy" leaf on this one, but hoping that's something it will outgrow (I gave it a slow release fertilizer in late Fall, and will give it more in the Spring) The plant looks healthy otherwise.

Thanks in advance for any ID guesses 

I probably can’t 100% rule out D onilahensis, but they all look like D baronii to me. They can be highly variable but are usually very colourful at that size. 
 

The ‘scrunchy’ leaf is completely normal for the first of a new stem. I think it happens because it is trying to develop within the crownshaft of the existing stem. 

Ah, that makes sense. In fact I just re-read the descripation on the “Palms for California” site and saw this...

“This is a variable species also in terms of coloration, some with a lot of yellow, some orange, some black, some with extremely white trunks and others with greenish trunks...”

I had assumed that all three plants would look identical since they came from the same source (and two of them do appear to be exact clones of each other). But maybe Floribunda has a couple different variations of baronii, and they gave me both types. Which is great... I also ordered some black stem versions from them, so maybe I’ll be lucky enough to have baronii with black, white & green stems in my collection.. Fun! 
 

* Thanks also for reassuring on the scrunchy leaf being normal. Still much to learn (thought it was a boron deficiency or something), 

Just wow! Those are some stunners, got to love Dypsis….just can’t grow any here. 

Edited December 28, 20214 yr by KDubU

18 hours ago, iDesign said:

 

And a closeup of the base...

Based on online research, I'm thinking it might be a Dypsis onilahensis... maybe an upright one? Mainly because of the white powdery coating and purple tint. Curious if others think that's the case, or if it's indeed a baronii (or perhaps something totally different). 

Oh, and I did notice the "scrunchy" leaf on this one, but hoping that's something it will outgrow

I think you may be right with the Onilahensis. I have an upright version I got from Joe @ Discovery and I’d say it looks similar to yours albeit younger. This one really struggled for a while. It’s only been in the ground for 8 months but looks like it’s starting to do it’s thing. Starting to shoot another trunk by the looks of the shriveled leaf just like yours. 
 

My Baronii seam to have a fatter leaf than the Onilahensis. I’m far from an ID professional tho. 
 

-dale

I have taken some Dypsis pictures and will add my info as well as soliciting any comments that any one else can help me with.

First up is a palm I got at Bo Lundkvist's sale liquidating his stock. He got it from Floribunda as Dypsis "Jurassic Park". Then, he and John Dransfield decided that is was probably Dypsis tokoravina, and that's the name I bought it as. After several years of rapid growth, it developed a 6-foot long inflorescence that developed orange fruits. I sent John Dransfield pictures of the palm, inflorescence, and fruits with a scale showing the exact dimensions. His response was Dypsis prestoniana. Here is today's pic:

I also bought some seeds sold by RPS as Dypsis prestoniana. Here is one that I planted out:

I can't tell any difference between these two palms. Here is a pic of of couple siblings of the second palm, tiny by comparison since they are confined to pots, but they give an idea of the juvenile appearance (try to ignore the weeds):

Finally, a group of seedlings potted up in September. Fruits were from the first palm shown:

Bo Lundkvist had a second sale a few weeks after the first one. I went and thought that I needed to get another D. tokoravina because it was a really rare palm. I t was in the same group of palms that I got the first palm shown. I planted it right next to the first one. Here it is today:

D. Prestoniana? I don't think so. Now here's a pic of a palm I got from Bill Austin as Dypsis robusta at one of our annual banquets and sales. (Try to ignore the two Clinostigma ponapense looming behind it.)

The same? They sure are very similar. Also at Bo's first sale, I bought a pair of palms labeled Dypsis hovomatsina, though Bo explained that he didn't think that it was a correct ID. I planted out both. One didn't make it. Here is the other, which looks like something that is referred to as hankona or hankona. Any comments?

Finally, there was some discussion above about maybe Dypsis baronii. I raised some delicate looking multi-stemmed palms from seeds that had lots of red color in the new spears:

After a few years, they turned into these huge tough-looking palms:

Once again, I got pictures of the palms, inflorescences, and fruit, and sent them to John Dransfield. His verdict: Dypsis arenarum. We saw stands of these in the forest when the IPS off-year meeting was held on Isle de Saint-Marie.

Any comments?

 

11 hours ago, mike in kurtistown said:

 

The same? They sure are very similar. Also at Bo's first sale, I bought a pair of palms labeled Dypsis hovomatsina, though Bo explained that he didn't think that it was a correct ID. I planted out both. One didn't make it. Here is the other, which looks like something that is referred to as hankona or hankona. Any comments?

 

 

 

Very reminiscent of what I grow as Hankona.  It will likely get elongated petioles and lots of white fuzz as it matures.