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On ‎1‎/‎15‎/‎2020 at 12:14 AM, SEVA said:

Just a few pics around the yard for a winter update.

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Did you put the moss in the tree? I've heard a lot of people from Virginia talk about the distribution of Spanish moss. I've see some claim a small population of moss in Richmond one year, and then it died because of the temperatures.

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4 hours ago, Jcalvin said:

Did you put the moss in the tree? I've heard a lot of people from Virginia talk about the distribution of Spanish moss. I've see some claim a small population of moss in Richmond one year, and then it died because of the temperatures.

In this particular tree, yes. I placed a mix of my native Spanish moss, 2 other forms of Spanish moss, and a hybrid. I'm within the native range of Spanish moss, but near the edge. No where near as abundant here as it is in VA Beach.

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Pics sent to me this morning. A few trees are already blooming such as redbud, pears, and peaches. Even the citrus were starting to grow. I was told it was about 4 in. of snow.

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Beautiful, from afar. The snow made it down as far as Charlotte NC, as usual we didn't get any and that's okay by me :greenthumb:

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Wow luckily we didn't get any snow just rain! But I did hear parts of delmarva got snow.

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LOWS 16/17 12F, 17/18 3F, 18/19 7F, 19/20 20F

Palms growing in my garden: Trachycarpus Fortunei, Chamaerops Humilis, Chamaerops Humilis var. Cerifera, Rhapidophyllum Hystrix, Sabal Palmetto 

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On 2/22/2020 at 4:54 AM, RJ said:

Beautiful, from afar. The snow made it down as far as Charlotte NC, as usual we didn't get any and that's okay by me :greenthumb:

 

13 hours ago, mdsonofthesouth said:

Wow luckily we didn't get any snow just rain! But I did hear parts of delmarva got snow.

 

This has been an unusually warm winter, and with all the trees blooming it was unusual to see all that snow (pics anyways). I visited about a week before the snow and captured this photo of the unknown citrus already growing. I'm not sure how things look now though. The spring blooming camellias were in bloom and the osmanthus had new growth as well. I even noticed the Butias had started pushing out more spathes and continued to push out the ones from last fall. 

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On 2/24/2020 at 9:29 PM, SEVA said:

 

 

This has been an unusually warm winter, and with all the trees blooming it was unusual to see all that snow (pics anyways). I visited about a week before the snow and captured this photo of the unknown citrus already growing. I'm not sure how things look now though. The spring blooming camellias were in bloom and the osmanthus had new growth as well. I even noticed the Butias had started pushing out more spathes and continued to push out the ones from last fall. 

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Only issue with a mild winter is weeds have persisted through it!:rant:

LOWS 16/17 12F, 17/18 3F, 18/19 7F, 19/20 20F

Palms growing in my garden: Trachycarpus Fortunei, Chamaerops Humilis, Chamaerops Humilis var. Cerifera, Rhapidophyllum Hystrix, Sabal Palmetto 

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On 3/31/2020 at 11:26 PM, PalmsNC said:

Found the jackpot of all streetview for virginia beach, holy hell! Soooooooooo many massive Butia!

 

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On 3/31/2020 at 11:31 PM, PalmsNC said:

Makes me want to plant more palms! I hope my Butia can at least get as big as those.

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My Livistona chinensis survived the winter without protection.  Not much of a test of course considering how mild the winter was.

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5 hours ago, SEVA said:

My Livistona chinensis survived the winter without protection.  Not much of a test of course considering how mild the winter was.

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This past winter I could have gotten one through as well with an ultimate low of 20.2. In my experience they didn't burn til mid teens sometimes upper teens, but I also had mine in the worst placement. Seriously starting to think about trying one of these as a perennial again in my new spot for palms. 

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LOWS 16/17 12F, 17/18 3F, 18/19 7F, 19/20 20F

Palms growing in my garden: Trachycarpus Fortunei, Chamaerops Humilis, Chamaerops Humilis var. Cerifera, Rhapidophyllum Hystrix, Sabal Palmetto 

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8 hours ago, mdsonofthesouth said:

This past winter I could have gotten one through as well with an ultimate low of 20.2. In my experience they didn't burn til mid teens sometimes upper teens, but I also had mine in the worst placement. Seriously starting to think about trying one of these as a perennial again in my new spot for palms. 

It certainly was a mild winter. I'm curious as to how long it will last as with many of my experimental palms. I've also considered planting palms (mainly S. palmetto) in between my longleaf pines once they get bigger. I ordered 50 longleaf seedlings and I'm hoping that the evergreen canopy might help protect the palms a bit more, in addition to the row of live oaks planted along the northern edge of the property. Also, I planted a queen palm seedling last year, since I have more than I know what to do with. And even though the fronds did burn, it does look like it's pushing up a new spear. Looks better than the one from last year. And I was surprised to see that the cestrum (pic) did not die back this year. I'm not sure what temperature will kill cestrum to the ground.

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16 minutes ago, SEVA said:

It certainly was a mild winter. I'm curious as to how long it will last as with many of my experimental palms. I've also considered planting palms (mainly S. palmetto) in between my longleaf pines once they get bigger. I ordered 50 longleaf seedlings and I'm hoping that the evergreen canopy might help protect the palms a bit more, in addition to the row of live oaks planted along the northern edge of the property. Also, I planted a queen palm seedling last year, since I have more than I know what to do with. And even though the fronds did burn, it does look like it's pushing up a new spear. Looks better than the one from last year. And I was surprised to see that the cestrum (pic) did not die back this year. I'm not sure what temperature will kill cestrum to the ground.

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Nice to see everything made it ..mild-er than average winter or not..  

Pine canopy would definitely give you some wiggle room once bigger, esp. w/ something tough like S. palmetto. Cestrum, at least most, should hold up well to cold  somewhere in the 7b/8a range, mainly going deciduous, perhaps experiencing damage to any younger/ newer growth from the previous summer in such areas.. Likely getting cut back to the ground somewhere in the 6-7a range, esp. less mature specimens/ those fully exposed. Yours looks like it has plenty of mature wood now to handle all but the worst possible years.. Things grow so fast that many wouldn't notice complete kill- back the following summer after a bad winter..

How's everything else looking?

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9 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Nice to see everything made it ..mild-er than average winter or not..  

Pine canopy would definitely give you some wiggle room once bigger, esp. w/ something tough like S. palmetto. Cestrum, at least most, should hold up well to cold  somewhere in the 7b/8a range, mainly going deciduous, perhaps experiencing damage to any younger/ newer growth from the previous summer in such areas.. Likely getting cut back to the ground somewhere in the 6-7a range, esp. less mature specimens/ those fully exposed. Yours looks like it has plenty of mature wood now to handle all but the worst possible years.. Things grow so fast that many wouldn't notice complete kill- back the following summer after a bad winter..

How's everything else looking?

I hope the cestrum can maintain a good size through most winters from now on. The past few, it gets killed to the ground or near the ground and resprouts. Fortunately, as you said, it grows rapidly and will reach 6-7' in height by end of summer.

 

Everything else looks just fine! I'll try to take a few pics after I finish weeding. There's quite a bit of that to do! Lol. The Queen is a little farther along in regrowth this year than previous years. Still looks rough, but still alive! One of the Butia has a lighter coloring on the most recently opened frond. I'm not sure what's causing that. I attached a pic.

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Glad to hear everything is doing good! It was so mild here that there was no cold damage on my Chamaerops humilis, which typically gets some damage at some point every winter because I leave it unprotected. I’m in the same boat as you with potted plants, I have so many that are not hardy enough to the area that I am starting to plant them in the ground because there is no where else for them! Keep us updated, I’ll have to post some pictures of my Chamaerops later. 

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5 hours ago, PalmTreeDude said:

Glad to hear everything is doing good! It was so mild here that there was no cold damage on my Chamaerops humilis, which typically gets some damage at some point every winter because I leave it unprotected. I’m in the same boat as you with potted plants, I have so many that are not hardy enough to the area that I am starting to plant them in the ground because there is no where else for them! Keep us updated, I’ll have to post some pictures of my Chamaerops later. 

 

My completely unprotected chamaerops and cerifera saw no damage this year as well. The cerifera is still strap leaf. Usually chamaerops only burns tips or older growth and takes a 2018 year to defoliate. But they usually push through after that. Honestly think chamaerops is a solid 7b palm but I may just be crazy lol! Thankfully we get a pretty warm sun even in winter so young palms get some decent warmth in the winter...although I fear for them once they get some height.

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Palms growing in my garden: Trachycarpus Fortunei, Chamaerops Humilis, Chamaerops Humilis var. Cerifera, Rhapidophyllum Hystrix, Sabal Palmetto 

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Someone should check in on this Livistona I saw last September. By the Days inn on Atlantic Ave under a bigger windmill. Wonder how it turned out?  Think it's a Chinese Fan. 

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7 hours ago, PalmTreeDude said:

Glad to hear everything is doing good! It was so mild here that there was no cold damage on my Chamaerops humilis, which typically gets some damage at some point every winter because I leave it unprotected. I’m in the same boat as you with potted plants, I have so many that are not hardy enough to the area that I am starting to plant them in the ground because there is no where else for them! Keep us updated, I’ll have to post some pictures of my Chamaerops later. 

This clump has apparently been here in VB a while, though some larger stems died in colder winters. Direct oceanfront exposure. 

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Here is my Chamaerops humilis. It is growing slowly right now since the highs are only in the 70s at the moment. 

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8 hours ago, mdsonofthesouth said:

 

My completely unprotected chamaerops and cerifera saw no damage this year as well. The cerifera is still strap leaf. Usually chamaerops only burns tips or older growth and takes a 2018 year to defoliate. But they usually push through after that. Honestly think chamaerops is a solid 7b palm but I may just be crazy lol! Thankfully we get a pretty warm sun even in winter so young palms get some decent warmth in the winter...although I fear for them once they get some height.

They can be used in zone 7b, as long as it gets a lot of heat, I wouldn’t rely on them though until they're in a solid 8a. 

 

6 hours ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

This clump has apparently been here in VB a while, though some larger stems died in colder winters. Direct oceanfront exposure. 

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I wonder if that clump is old as well. I bet they would work well a mile inland, away from the cold winds off of the water in the winter. The majority of the full crowned Sabal palmetto in VA Beach are either behind cover or inland. Here is one that is completely sheltered from the water at a hotel right along the beach. I took these pictures last summer. 

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On 4/22/2020 at 8:33 AM, PalmTreeDude said:

They can be used in zone 7b, as long as it gets a lot of heat, I wouldn’t rely on them though until they're in a solid 8a. 

 

I wonder if that clump is old as well. I bet they would work well a mile inland, away from the cold winds off of the water in the winter. The majority of the full crowned Sabal palmetto in VA Beach are either behind cover or inland. Here is one that is completely sheltered from the water at a hotel right along the beach. I took these pictures last summer. 

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about a half mile inland I saw some nice stuff, these Palmettos caught my eye. 

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another one nearby

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few more older ones

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Also a big sago too, 

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also some very heavy freeze damage on the trunk of this pindo on atlantic ave.

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Sago clump near Atlantic Ave.  most larger trunks died and now its just a mess. uncommon but not rare around here.

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nearby larger pindo

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Nice little Chamerops.

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While sabal volunteers are everywhere I did notice some Butia Volunteers too.

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half mile from Atlantic Ave Nice sabals and Pindo.  people get the impression that everything looks ratty because palms dont do well here, but its obvious that they do when planted in the right location.

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5 hours ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

about a half mile inland I saw some nice stuff, these Palmettos caught my eye. 

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another one nearby

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few more older ones

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Also a big sago too, 

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5 hours ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

also some very heavy freeze damage on the trunk of this pindo on atlantic ave.

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Sago clump near Atlantic Ave.  most larger trunks died and now its just a mess. uncommon but not rare around here.

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nearby larger pindo

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Nice little Chamerops.

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While sabal volunteers are everywhere I did notice some Butia Volunteers too.

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half mile from Atlantic Ave Nice sabals and Pindo.  people get the impression that everything looks ratty because palms dont do well here, but its obvious that they do when planted in the right location.

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Those are some nice palms! Thank you for taking pictures of these. It is true, a lot of people don't think that you can grow a nice palmetto in Virginia Beach, when you can see there are a good amount of "Carolina Quality" palmettos inland. If only the wind directly off of the water wasn't so harsh in the winter! It seems like you really start to see healthy ones directly along the water from Morehead City, N.C. and south. 

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1 hour ago, PalmTreeDude said:

 

Those are some nice palms! Thank you for taking pictures of these. It is true, a lot of people don't think that you can grow a nice palmetto in Virginia Beach, when you can see there are a good amount of "Carolina Quality" palmettos inland. If only the wind directly off of the water wasn't so harsh in the winter! It seems like you really start to see healthy ones directly along the water from Morehead City, N.C. and south. 

Ive seen some in Rodanthe area that are by the Pamlico sound, though some died in freezes in 2015 and 2018.  Ocracoke has quite a few by the water too I believe.  20190921_130636.thumb.jpg.f60c528558e9db13a9808dfd05ea876f.jpg20190921_130427.thumb.jpg.ff40f99c08279e0b6a5e62f825465612.jpg

also a bonus of a Washingtonia hybrid in Avon NC. Weathered through 2015 and 2018 and has been there 12 years.  Most northern unprotected large one I know of on the east coast 20190921_133310_HDR(1).thumb.jpg.cd51804e3adf11aec34bdf6f26f2afcf.jpg

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14 hours ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

Ive seen some in Rodanthe area that are by the Pamlico sound, though some died in freezes in 2015 and 2018.  Ocracoke has quite a few by the water too I believe.  20190921_130636.thumb.jpg.f60c528558e9db13a9808dfd05ea876f.jpg20190921_130427.thumb.jpg.ff40f99c08279e0b6a5e62f825465612.jpg

also a bonus of a Washingtonia hybrid in Avon NC. Weathered through 2015 and 2018 and has been there 12 years.  Most northern unprotected large one I know of on the east coast 20190921_133310_HDR(1).thumb.jpg.cd51804e3adf11aec34bdf6f26f2afcf.jpg

Those are some nice ones! I bet that Washingtonia would be a good one to get seed from. 

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Just a little update on the queen.

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Before Tropical Storm Isaias

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14 minutes ago, SEVA said:

Just a little update on the queen.

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Before Tropical Storm Isaias

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Holy sh** man that's awful :(, I was actually just wondering how your queen was doing. If it's just foliage damage it should push through (granted it doesn't get an infection from the broken fronds). 

 

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9 hours ago, SEVA said:

Just a little update on the queen.

 

Before Tropical Storm Isaias

 

After Tropical Storm Isaias

Wow that's awful!  Hope the spear can regrow.

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I took a picture for a closer view. I think it is just the fronds.  I'm thinking of leaving the fronds alone unless they turn brown considering it loses its fronds every winter.  

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Took this photo about a month ago. I'm not sure how it looks now, but hopefully I'll get viable seeds from the needle palm.

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my neighbors are growing what I think are washies in pots on their driveway

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My neighbors have what I think is a washingtonia

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On 10/25/2020 at 1:45 PM, climate change virginia said:

my neighbors are growing what I think are washies in pots on their driveway

 

On 10/26/2020 at 12:42 PM, climate change virginia said:

My neighbors have what I think is a washingtonia

 

Nice! How large are the Washingtonia sp. palms? I'm trialing a Washingtonia robusta and a few Syagrus romanzoffiana in Virginia Beach, which I planted over the summer. 

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On 2/21/2020 at 8:43 PM, SEVA said:

Pics sent to me this morning. A few trees are already blooming such as redbud, pears, and peaches. Even the citrus were starting to grow. I was told it was about 4 in. of snow.

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I live in dc we never get snow like that anymore

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