A very strange and difficult phenomenon on peach palm

[Yi]

Hi,all of palm friends,

I am a beginner for palm planting,just started my peach palm plant from 7 monoths ago in China.

In the past 7 months,I met a lot of problems,I wish I should know the site earlier,I would plant it better than now.

 

I am facing a very difficult situation now,so I am serching your help. I transplanted some peach palm seedlings from flowerpot to the land one month ago,almost them have at least 6 leaves. 

 

After a period of time,all of the seedlings have had a kind of strange phenomenon.

 

Red parts began to appear above the leaves. The red parts were biger and biger from day to day. 

 

Some of the red parts turned to white.Some seedlings were died already.

 

I used Malignant and Pyraclostrobin to them one week ago,it seems did not work on the seedlings.

 

Daily average temperature 11 degrees to 27 degrees.Before 11:00,it is foggy weather,after 11:00,it is sunny. Regularly water the seedlings.

 

I really worry about the phenomenon,because all of the seedlings which transplanted are with the phenomenen.

 

I worry about it could kill all of my peach palm.

 

I sincerely hope that I can get your help.Thank you.

 

Yi

 

 

[Jim in Los Altos]

It looks like sun damage to me. They may be too young to be in full sun at this point and, if those seedlings were grown indoors and in the shade and then planted in full sun, they would burn that way. They may adjust gradually but it would help if you shaded them from the afternoon sun until they get bigger. 

Edited January 29, 2019 by Jim in Los Altos

[Jimbean]

It looks like too much sunlight.

[Yi]

  On 1/29/2019 at 2:59 AM, Jim in Los Altos said:

It looks like sun damage to me. They may be too young to be in full sun at this point and, if those seedlings were grown indoors and in the shade and then planted in full sun, they would burn that way. They may adjust gradually but it would help if you shaded them from the afternoon sun until they get bigger. 

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Thank you very much Jim.

Does the sun-burn will kill the seedlings?

[Yi]

  On 1/29/2019 at 3:00 AM, Jimbean said:

It looks like too much sunlight.

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Thank you so much Jimbean

[Jim in Los Altos]

  On 1/29/2019 at 3:06 AM, Yi said:

Thank you very much Jim.

Does the sun-burn will kill the seedlings?

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Yi, There’s still plenty of green on those young palms so I think they will be fine. Just put some shade cloth or something over them to keep afternoon sun away until they get bigger. 

Edited January 29, 2019 by Jim in Los Altos

[GottmitAlex]

  On 1/29/2019 at 3:06 AM, Yi said:

Thank you very much Jim.

Does the sun-burn will kill the seedlings?

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  On 1/29/2019 at 3:08 AM, Jim in Los Altos said:

Yi, There’s still plenty of green on those young palms so I think they will be fine. Just put some shade cloth or something over them to keep afternoon sun away until they get bigger. 

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Yi. I second both Jims recommendations.

Sunlight will scorch seedlings. I take it while in flowerpots, they were under shade.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 29, 2019 by GottmitAlex

[Jimbean]

  On 1/29/2019 at 3:06 AM, Yi said:

Thank you so much Jimbean

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you're welcome.  Any time you have a question about palms you are more than welcome to ask on this forum.

[Missi]

Welcome Yi! I hope you will stick around here and continue to grow your palm passion with us!! 

[Darold Petty]

Yi, Welcome to Palmtalk !   

[Dypsisdean]

I agree with the above. However, the sun in the No. Hemisphere should be very mild this time of year.

It would help to know where in China you are - and what type of climate you experience. What is your lowest winter temperature? Are there many other palms growing in your neighborhood? A Peach Palm (Bactris gasipaes) is a very tropical palm and the cooler the climate, the more it will struggle.

[Yi]

  On 1/29/2019 at 8:02 PM, Dypsisdean said:

I agree with the above. However, the sun in the No. Hemisphere should be very mild this time of year.

It would help to know where in China you are - and what type of climate you experience. What is your lowest winter temperature? Are there many other palms growing in your neighborhood? A Peach Palm (Bactris gasipaes) is a very tropical palm and the cooler the climate, the more it will struggle.

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Hey  Dypsisdean,

In China,I am in Xishuangbanna.Xishuangbanna has a tropical monsoon climate with abundant sunshine and abundant rainfall. The dry season and wet season are within one year, and the annual average temperature is 21 °C. The dry season is from November to April, and the warm season is from May to October. There is no frost and snow all year round. The foggy day is 108-146 days. In the coldest January, the average temperature here is 16 °C.

 

Just as what I mentioned about thr climate about now"Daily average temperature 11 degrees to 27 degrees.Before 11:00,it is foggy weather,after 11:00,it is sunny. "

Thanks

 

Edited January 30, 2019 by Yi

[Kim]

Hello Yi. Looking at your soil, I wonder if it is heavy clay or rocky? It looks a bit rough for such small seedlings. What are the qualities of your soil? 

Usually young palms will like a soil that is fast-draining but will also retain some moisture without being either too wet or too dry.  When I was very new at growing palms, sometimes problems came from putting very young palms in poor quality soil.

[Dypsisdean]

Well Yi - climate is not your problem - you live in a very beautiful part of China (I looked it up), and perfect for growing palms. I suspect if your soil is good (as Kim suggests) your palms will grow very well once they get used to their new home in the ground.

As long as the new leaves look healthy,  I don't think you have much to worry about. And remember, you can fertilize and water (if soil is heavy) too much.

[Yi]

  On 1/30/2019 at 1:39 AM, Kim said:

Hello Yi. Looking at your soil, I wonder if it is heavy clay or rocky? It looks a bit rough for such small seedlings. What are the qualities of your soil? 

Usually young palms will like a soil that is fast-draining but will also retain some moisture without being either too wet or too dry.  When I was very new at growing palms, sometimes problems came from putting very young palms in poor quality soil.

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Hey Kim,you are right!

 

The soil is with too much clay. In my place,all of the soil is with too much clay and with poor organic matter.

I used organic fertilizer to them,but I can not change all of soil

I am serching new places for transplant,but it seems very difficult to find the good soil

[Yi]

  On 1/30/2019 at 1:45 AM, Dypsisdean said:

Well Yi - climate is not your problem - you live in a very beautiful part of China (I looked it up), and perfect for growing palms. I suspect if your soil is good (as Kim suggests) your palms will grow very well once they get used to their new home in the ground.

As long as the new leaves look healthy,  I don't think you have much to worry about. And remember, you can fertilize and water (if soil is heavy) too much.

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Hi Dypsisdean,

The last words means"I can "or "I can't"if the soil with too much clay?

 

Many thanks

[kinzyjr]

Welcome to the forum, @Yi.   Your climate in Xishuangbanna is wonderful.  I agree with the other posters that the palm is experiencing sunburn and that shade cloth will help.  

  On 1/30/2019 at 2:07 AM, Yi said:

Hi Dypsisdean,

The last words means"I can "or "I can't"if the soil with too much clay?

 

Many thanks

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You can overdo it on water and fertilizer in clay soil. 

[Yi]

  On 1/30/2019 at 1:39 AM, Kim said:

Hello Yi. Looking at your soil, I wonder if it is heavy clay or rocky? It looks a bit rough for such small seedlings. What are the qualities of your soil? 

Usually young palms will like a soil that is fast-draining but will also retain some moisture without being either too wet or too dry.  When I was very new at growing palms, sometimes problems came from putting very young palms in poor quality soil.

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I also want to say,yes,Kim,the palm is so so so difficult for beginners.

This is my first year of planting,I have never planted any plant.So it means peach palm(Bactris gasipaes) is my first plant in my life^0^

Agriculture is very difficult,I met a lot of bad moments.

Even now,there are still some seedlings which are in the flowerpot is dying.I guess it is a kind of Fungus,but After used Malignant and Pyraclostrobin one week ago,they are still bad.

One month ago,I used Chlorothalonil and Amino oligosaccharide.It did not work also.

Someone told me the farm chemicals should only be applied for  prevention, but never expect it to heal.

I should say,the palm is a very difficult plant:(

[Yi]

  On 1/30/2019 at 2:54 AM, kinzyjr said:

Welcome to the forum, @Yi.   Your climate in Xishuangbanna is wonderful.  I agree with the other posters that the palm is experiencing sunburn and that shade cloth will help.  

You can overdo it on water and fertilizer in clay soil. 

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Thank You Kinzyjr,but I worry about if I use too much water,the soil could not drain well.Do you think so?

[kinzyjr]

  On 1/30/2019 at 3:57 AM, Yi said:

Thank You Kinzyjr,but I worry about if I use too much water,the soil could not drain well.Do you think so?

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You're welcome.

That is true.  It also depends on the palm in question.  Some of them don't mind soggy soil, some of them die if it is too wet.  I'm not too familiar with Peach Palm in particular, so I defer to the information presented here: http://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Bactris_gasipaes

[Dypsisdean]

Just be patient and don't try too hard with all kinds of chemicals and things. Since you are new to growing things, you will probably make some mistakes. But just keep trying and keep asking questions.

Your climate is so good, you shouldn't need to do much to have things grow. As long as you have new leaves growing and coming out, and they look healthy, then you are doing something right. Don't worry too much about the old leaves - they get old and drop off even on healthy palms. But it will take at least 6-12 months before you will be able to tell if they are going to do well, or if they are not. Palms are not fast growers when compared to many other plants.

"Heavy" soil means soil that holds lots of water and doesn't drain well - like clay. You don't want soggy soil.