Spring shopping list. Suggestions?

[redant]

Been a while since I ordered from  Floribunda, looking to make a spring shopping list. I pretty much trying to concentrate on smaller or slow growing palms, understory stuff. I have to many beasts, need to concentrate on some things that will be happy in the shade of the lower levels of my jungle. I'd prefer stuff with some proven history in FL for success. I also want stuff not typical, not stuff your going to find at big box stores. I have a very varied collection as it is, looking to expand upon that. So any suggestions would be awesome. 

[kinzyjr]

5 minutes ago, redant said:

Been a while since I ordered from  Floribunda, looking to make a spring shopping list. I pretty much trying to concentrate on smaller or slow growing palms, understory stuff. I have to many beasts, need to concentrate on some things that will be happy in the shade of the lower levels of my jungle. I'd prefer stuff with some proven history in FL for success. I also want stuff not typical, not stuff your going to find at big box stores. I have a very varied collection as it is, looking to expand upon that. So any suggestions would be awesome. 

I'm in the same boat as you.  I have a ton of tall palms and other trees, but on a normal city lot it can get out of hand fast. 

Part of my understory plantings are the old reliable natives: sabal minor (different varieties), rhapidophyllum hystrix, serenoa repens, acoelorrhaphe wrightii, sabal etonia

As far as somewhat exotic species go, I'm considering the following small-mid size palms: nannorrhops ritchiana, nannorrhops arabica, medemia argun, chamaedorea radicalis (more), chamaedorea microspadix, arenga engleri (depending on how many sprout), some of the smaller butias (ex. Butia microspadix), 

In your area, calamus minor might be an option if you're in a relatively warm part of Jupiter.  Copernicia cowellii would be near bulletproof if you can get it.  Dypsis bonsai, Lytocaryum weddellianum?

Not a complete list by a long shot, but hopefully enough to get the conversation rolling.

[Merlyn]

I don't have canopy yet, most of what I'm planting are to create that canopy.  I do have a few spots and was planning on getting Chamaedorea Metallica, Allagoptera Arenaria, Kerriodoxa Elegans and Licuala Grandis or Peltata.

[John hovancsek]

Any of the smaller licuala s or pinanga is what I would go for

[JubaeaMan138]

I vote for cowellii as well but understory though don’t these guys need more sun ? I’ve seen cowellii in some Arizona gardens full desert sun thriving !! How about dypsis coriacea or dypsis remotiflora I got a couple of these guys they don’t do to well in my winter but come summer they put out a nice red leaf remind of a chamaedorea . 

[Laaz]

Haven't seen the spring catalog yet.

 

[redant]

5 hours ago, kinzyjr said:

I'm in the same boat as you.  I have a ton of tall palms and other trees, but on a normal city lot it can get out of hand fast. 

Part of my understory plantings are the old reliable natives: sabal minor (different varieties), rhapidophyllum hystrix, serenoa repens, acoelorrhaphe wrightii, sabal etonia

As far as somewhat exotic species go, I'm considering the following small-mid size palms: nannorrhops ritchiana, nannorrhops arabica, medemia argun, chamaedorea radicalis (more), chamaedorea microspadix, arenga engleri (depending on how many sprout), some of the smaller butias (ex. Butia microspadix), 

In your area, calamus minor might be an option if you're in a relatively warm part of Jupiter.  Copernicia cowellii would be near bulletproof if you can get it.  Dypsis bonsai, Lytocaryum weddellianum?

Not a complete list by a long shot, but hopefully enough to get the conversation rolling.

I tend to veer away from many chamaedorea as they tend to get so long and leggy but radicalis looks nice, might try that. calamus minor doesn't come up with much on a search, other name?  probably don't have enough sun for Copernicia cowellii, Dypsis bonsai, looks cool, I have several Lytocaryum weddellianum, a great little palm.

[redant]

4 hours ago, Merlyn2220 said:

I don't have canopy yet, most of what I'm planting are to create that canopy.  I do have a few spots and was planning on getting Chamaedorea Metallica, Allagoptera Arenaria, Kerriodoxa Elegans and Licuala Grandis or Peltata.

Got the Chamaedorea Metallica, Allagoptera Arenaria,  Kerriodoxa Elegans and Licuala Grandis as well as licuala peltata var. sumawongii. The Kerriodoxa has been very slow for me, killed one, have 2 doing OK. Was a great list though.

[redant]

1 hour ago, John hovancsek said:

Any of the smaller licuala s or pinanga is what I would go for

Might add some other licuala, I do have 2 Pinanga coronate, a great palm.

[redant]

1 hour ago, JubaeaMan138 said:

I vote for cowellii as well but understory though don’t these guys need more sun ? I’ve seen cowellii in some Arizona gardens full desert sun thriving !! How about dypsis coriacea or dypsis remotiflora I got a couple of these guys they don’t do to well in my winter but come summer they put out a nice red leaf remind of a chamaedorea . 

dypsis coriacea looks cool. Some dypsis seem to hate Fl while others seem to like it. Might try this. dypsis remotiflora looks cool too. I agee the cowellii would hate my shade.

 

Edited January 25, 2019 by redant

[redant]

1 hour ago, Laaz said:

Haven't seen the spring catalog yet.

 

Nope, not yet but I'm going to be ready when it's out. I like to order in the warmer months as who knows where these boxes go in shipping.

[Jeff Searle]

Many Licuala species should do very well for you. C. cowellii forget, to hard to find, needs full sun and $$$$$. There are some nice Areca species too. If you like Hydriastele, I'm growing 8-10 species in the yard now. Try Calyptrocalyx sp. Yamune-tumune. Very cold hardy and in my opinion, one of the prettiest of all in the genus. And Ptychosperma sp. Wotoboho does nice, stays under 12' and throws a new red leaf. Hope this helps.

Jeff

[Merlyn]

2 hours ago, redant said:

Got the Chamaedorea Metallica, Allagoptera Arenaria,  Kerriodoxa Elegans and Licuala Grandis as well as licuala peltata var. sumawongii. The Kerriodoxa has been very slow for me, killed one, have 2 doing OK. Was a great list though.

Great minds think alike, and ours too!     

You could also think about planting something as an understudy that is super slow growing.  Like a Carpoxylon Macrospermum. Eric has a nice ~10' tall OA one at Leu Gardens so I bet you could grow one there.  I've thought about planting things like an Attalea Cohune that take forever to gain height.  In your area you could also grow some of the cycads that are somewhat marginal here, like Dioon Spinulosum or Cycas Rev x Deb.

[Matt in OC]

I second D. Remotiflora. What about Areca vestiaria red? I’ve grown a handful out here. 

[John hovancsek]

Such a great little dypsis

[Laaz]

13 hours ago, redant said:

Nope, not yet but I'm going to be ready when it's out. I like to order in the warmer months as who knows where these boxes go in shipping.

Eh, it's not to warm at 20,000 feet anyway.... 

[Merlyn]

I thought of another one that likes part shade and isn't too big, Wallichia Densiflora or Oblongifolia.  It may be bigger than you want, the one at Leu was about 8 feet tall.  I like the smaller Pinganga, but most of them would die here in an average cold 9b winter.  I bet several would be okay in Jupiter borderline 10a. 

I really want to grow a Johannesteijsmannia altifrons, but that'll never happen at my current location.  They grow into a monster but I think they are really cool when young too and possibly 10a capable.

[redant]

21 hours ago, Jeff Searle said:

Many Licuala species should do very well for you. C. cowellii forget, to hard to find, needs full sun and $$$$$. There are some nice Areca species too. If you like Hydriastele, I'm growing 8-10 species in the yard now. Try Calyptrocalyx sp. Yamune-tumune. Very cold hardy and in my opinion, one of the prettiest of all in the genus. And Ptychosperma sp. Wotoboho does nice, stays under 12' and throws a new red leaf. Hope this helps.

Jeff 

Some awesome suggestions Jeff thanks.  Which Hydriastele are you talking about?  

[redant]

20 hours ago, Merlyn2220 said:

Great minds think alike, and ours too!     

You could also think about planting something as an understudy that is super slow growing.  Like a Carpoxylon Macrospermum. Eric has a nice ~10' tall OA one at Leu Gardens so I bet you could grow one there.  I've thought about planting things like an Attalea Cohune that take forever to gain height.  In your area you could also grow some of the cycads that are somewhat marginal here, like Dioon Spinulosum or Cycas Rev x Deb.

Carpoxylon Macrospermum is my most killed palm, I so want this one to be a winner. Out of about 6 I have 1 survivor. Who knows I might just try killing some more. I actually have a decent selection of cycads, might have to add those as well. Really  like them.

[redant]

19 hours ago, Matt in OC said:

I second D. Remotiflora. What about Areca vestiaria red? I’ve grown a handful out here. 

I agree, if  D. Remotiflora is available then its on my list. I have 2 Areca vestiaria red in pots now. When they get big enough they are going in. 

[redant]

5 hours ago, Merlyn2220 said:

I thought of another one that likes part shade and isn't too big, Wallichia Densiflora or Oblongifolia.  It may be bigger than you want, the one at Leu was about 8 feet tall.  I like the smaller Pinganga, but most of them would die here in an average cold 9b winter.  I bet several would be okay in Jupiter borderline 10a. 

I really want to grow a Johannesteijsmannia altifrons, but that'll never happen at my current location.  They grow into a monster but I think they are really cool when young too and possibly 10a capable.

I have Wallichia Densiflora, was doing amazing then out of the blue it got very sparse. It's still alive but IDK what's going on with it. I am looker for smaller. Going to look into more  Pinganga. I had 2 Johannesteijsmannia altifrons for years in pots. They started to decline so I put them in the ground and they dropped dead. If priced right I might try these again.

[Merlyn]

6 minutes ago, redant said:

I have Wallichia Densiflora, was doing amazing then out of the blue it got very sparse. It's still alive but IDK what's going on with it. I am looker for smaller. Going to look into more  Pinganga. I had 2 Johannesteijsmannia altifrons for years in pots. They started to decline so I put them in the ground and they dropped dead. If priced right I might try these again.

I'm going to stop suggesting, because you've already got them and killed them!!!      Did the Carpoxylon die randomly, by cold, or too much sun as a youngster? 

I was looking at some of the small Calyptrocalyx or Calyptrogyne because I like the solid frond look like the Joey palm.  Arenga Caudata or Hookeriana are visually similar to the Wallichia.  Butia Archeri is a neat dwarf if you could find it, but might want more sun.  Iguanura has some neat ones in the 10+ range, I'd like to grow an Itaya amicorum but it's at best a 10b palm.  I wish I could grow more solid or bifid leaf types.

[redant]

2 hours ago, Merlyn2220 said:

I'm going to stop suggesting, because you've already got them and killed them!!!      Did the Carpoxylon die randomly, by cold, or too much sun as a youngster? 

I was looking at some of the small Calyptrocalyx or Calyptrogyne because I like the solid frond look like the Joey palm.  Arenga Caudata or Hookeriana are visually similar to the Wallichia.  Butia Archeri is a neat dwarf if you could find it, but might want more sun.  Iguanura has some neat ones in the 10+ range, I'd like to grow an Itaya amicorum but it's at best a 10b palm.  I wish I could grow more solid or bifid leaf types.

The Carpxylon just wither and die. I know many have had the same problems, years ago they where going to be the next big thing, then it turned out they are difficult. The one I have living looks great though. Calyptrogyne  looks cool, have to look into that . Calyptrocalyx elegans is really sweet, have to research Calyptrocalyx  as well. Arenga hookeriana is really cool, Some nice choices.

Edited January 27, 2019 by redant

[redant]

21 hours ago, John hovancsek said:

Such a great little dypsis

What's the second?

[Merlyn]

It looks like it could be a Licuala Maculata, or Exigua or triphylla.  Possibly in the Lanonia group too, Dasyantha?

[John hovancsek]

L. Dasyantha . Great little palm

[Merlyn]

WOOOOHOOOO!!! OH YEAH!!!  (spikes the football in the end zone)  WHAT A GUESS! 

[John hovancsek]

This should do good for you to. Reinhardtia compacta . I think it is on florabunda list. The other palm in the pic is geonoma sp. Entire leaf 

[redant]

12 hours ago, John hovancsek said:

This should do good for you to. Reinhardtia compacta . I think it is on florabunda list. The other palm in the pic is geonoma sp. Entire leaf 

Both stunning palms, I'd try the  geonoma sp. Entire leaf as a potted palm on my porch.

[rick]

Calyptrocalyx albertisianus, Calyptrocalyx hollrungii, and Calyptrocalyx sp. Yamune-tumune have all done pretty good for me. The Yamune-tumune is the only one I have in the ground at the moment though. Surprisingly Iguanura wallichiana has done great in an area of deep shade and needs very little care. About the only thing I have to watch out for is falling fronds. Calyptrogyne ghiesbreghtiana also does well for me in area that gets some morning and late afternoon sun. Hydriastele beguinii 'Obi Island form' is a fantastic palm for our area although it might be a bit larger than what you are looking for. I just got Hydriastele pinangoides from Jeff's last sale and so far its been happy here. Dypsis rosea is one of the smaller dypsis that seems to do well here regularly putting out reddish new fronds. 

[redant]

8 hours ago, rick said:

Calyptrocalyx albertisianus, Calyptrocalyx hollrungii, and Calyptrocalyx sp. Yamune-tumune have all done pretty good for me. The Yamune-tumune is the only one I have in the ground at the moment though. Surprisingly Iguanura wallichiana has done great in an area of deep shade and needs very little care. About the only thing I have to watch out for is falling fronds. Calyptrogyne ghiesbreghtiana also does well for me in area that gets some morning and late afternoon sun. Hydriastele beguinii 'Obi Island form' is a fantastic palm for our area although it might be a bit larger than what you are looking for. I just got Hydriastele pinangoides from Jeff's last sale and so far its been happy here. Dypsis rosea is one of the smaller dypsis that seems to do well here regularly putting out reddish new fronds. 

Ok, pretty much everything in your suggestions is on my list, all look fantastic.  Hydriastele beguinii 'Obi Island form' looks awesome, I can always find a spot for a bigger palm, just need to refocus my efforts away from beasts. Thanks for the list.

[redant]

On ‎1‎/‎25‎/‎2019 at 8:13 PM, Jeff Searle said:

Many Licuala species should do very well for you. C. cowellii forget, to hard to find, needs full sun and $$$$$. There are some nice Areca species too. If you like Hydriastele, I'm growing 8-10 species in the yard now. Try Calyptrocalyx sp. Yamune-tumune. Very cold hardy and in my opinion, one of the prettiest of all in the genus. And Ptychosperma sp. Wotoboho does nice, stays under 12' and throws a new red leaf. Hope this helps.

Jeff

Also when's the spring sale?

[Merlyn]

I just noticed that NetoPalms is selling a Calyptrocalyx Albertisianus in the For Sale forum, just an FYI.

 

[redant]

Thanks for the link.