True Phoenix Reclinata or a hybrid?

[paquicuba]

Have a few "Phoenix Reclinatas" that I grew from seeds that a friend of mine gave me a couple of years ago. He swears that they're true to type, but after reading how easy they can get hybridize, I would like please an expert opinion (see attached images)

Thanks so much!

[Phoenikakias]

Hybrid

[UK_Palms]

I can't say for sure, but it looks like it has some Canariensis in there. Then again, it may actually be a pure Reclinata. It's still a bit young to tell, but you will have a better idea in the coming years. 

[Cikas]

It looks different than mine. 

[kinzyjr]

Most (if not all) of them in Florida are hybrids.

[paquicuba]

Thanks a lot for your comments. I have one of them in the ground, so I'll follow up with you in a couple of years. 

 

[JubaeaMan138]

Would expect to see more suckering if it was pure reclinata right?

[Pal Meir]

The fronds of Ph reclinata are flatter, the leaflets are more in one plain. Your palm looks more like a Ph canariensis.

Here for comparison a typical Ph reclinata of similar size:

[Kris]

Yes,even i thought i looks more like a regular CIDP.Since that dark greenish leaf colour is seen in canary and Rupi.

The leaf frond arches and its tempered look make it appear like a Canary date palm.

As you increase the pot size or plant it in the ground,all its characteristic features would become more pronounced.

Love,

Kris.

 

[DoomsDave]

I would almost say that's a pure CIDP, based on the plumose leaves, dark dark green coloration and lack of suckers.

Time will tell, let us know!

[paquicuba]

On 11/15/2018, 4:57:04, Pal Meir said:

The fronds of Ph reclinata are flatter, the leaflets are more in one plain. Your palm looks more like a Ph canariensis.

Here for comparison a typical Ph reclinata of similar size:

Yours seems to be a true Reclinata. After some research, I definitely have a hybrid. I know for sure that I collected the seeds from a multi-trunk palm that looks like a Reclinata, so at this point, I have no clue what I have, but it shouldn't be a Canariensis either. 

I copied this from junglemusic.net:

[Cool Ritchie]

Good afternoon. 

A question for the person that started the conversation; paquicuba  or anyone who may know. So are the seeds from these date palms the yellowish thing that pops open this time of the year? How many seeds did you have to plant to grow one tree? There is a  palm tree here in center Florida I love. I think it's a hybridized Phoenix Reclinata.  I can't seem to find any small ones for sale. Here are a couple of pics. My email is fayette9@hotmail.com  I don't have ID to this forum so please email me.  Thank you very much for any assistance.

[Cool Ritchie]

Good evening.

Here are the photos of the palm tree I'm trying to figure out what type of hybrid it is. I see Phoenix Reclinata and Sylvester crossed. Any advise or comment is very much appreciated.

[Cool Ritchie]

Just adding photo

[LivistonaFan]

Hi,
I didn't want to start a new thread for this quick question. I bought this palm tree 2-3 years ago as canariensis x reclinata. Do you think that's the correct ID? Since the leaflets appear to be sorted more in a plane and seem slightly less rigid (thanks for the information @Pal Meir and @paquicuba), it could indeed have some reclinata in it? I've attached a few additional photos in case they're useful.

 

@Phoenikakias It would be nice to hear your opinion as well, given your expertise in Phoenix hybridisation👍.

[Phoenikakias]

Has it produced suckers?

[LivistonaFan]

12 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

Has it produced suckers?

No, it hasn't produced any suckers (yet). So, my question would be if you can rule out that it's a pure canariensis and therefore some hybridisation has likely occurred? 

[96720]

I would say at that size it should have produced suckers I think it is mostly if not pure canaries!! First photo is I would say is probably canaries hybrid as it just popped up in my jungle! The second photo is of a rupicola hybrid that I got from jungle music I would say it was probably hybridized with a canary as there are no suckers!!

[96720]

Another photo of three that just popped up probably spread by some animal they came up as almost a perfect triple so I just left them! It would be interesting to know if anyone has a canary hybrid that has produced suckers!!

[Fusca]

@LivistonaFan, yours looks similar to my reclinata hybrid (to me at least) which has not suckered either.  I don't know what mine is but to me it's looking more and more like canariensis.  When I first obtained it 2 years ago the fronds and thorns were soft but now they have stiffened up considerably.  The fun we have growing Phoenix hybrids! 

[96720]

This is a picture of a reclinata purebred if there is such a thing from seeds I got from rps!!!

[Axel Amsterdam]

Any thoughts on this? It suckers profusely, has CIDP fronds and has been growing outside in Amsterdam for 5 years where it started as a single palm. 

[Axel Amsterdam]

Some 5 years ago

[96720]

I would think it is reclinata I can’t tell any difference in the frond of canaries and reclinata but massive suckers I say reclinata!! Photo one is canary photo two is reclinata!!!

[Phoenikakias]

7 hours ago, 96720 said:

This is a picture of a reclinata purebred if there is such a thing from seeds I got from rps!!!

And here is a very young one also from rps seeds

[Phoenikakias]

On 8/9/2025 at 9:42 PM, LivistonaFan said:

Hi,
I didn't want to start a new thread for this quick question. I bought this palm tree 2-3 years ago as canariensis x reclinata. Do you think that's the correct ID? Since the leaflets appear to be sorted more in a plane and seem slightly less rigid (thanks for the information @Pal Meir and @paquicuba), it could indeed have some reclinata in it? I've attached a few additional photos in case they're useful.

 

@Phoenikakias It would be nice to hear your opinion as well, given your expertise in Phoenix hybridisation👍.

I find it extremely difficult to pick out any reclinata features in this specimen.

[Phoenikakias]

OK I had a better look at some reclinata hybrids from mother reclinata and father perhaps a hybrid himself but certainly from the dactylifera clade. 

They all have a fresher green leaf color, approaching a lime green, while father had a deep green color like Phoenix pusilla. In contrast foliage of local CIDP's in the warm temperate, west coast pattern climate has a bit grayish or bluish green color or a metallic sheen. I have three of those hybrids and all of them are now producing offshoots, but they were quite late at doing so in contrast to a reclinata x roebelenii hybrid, which grows on the left side of them in the first picture (smaller Phoenix specimen) and became caespitose, when still quite young.