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Sabal Minor Monkey Island

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Has anyone ever collected seeds from the sabal minor population in Monkey Island, NC? 

Zone 8a/8b Greenville, NC 

Zone 9a/9b Bluffton, SC

Laaz Veteran

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Had to look that one up... We have a Monkey island down here in Beaufort that actually is loaded with monkeys. You would be insane to try to collect anything there, they are mean. :huh:

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12 hours ago, Laaz said:

Had to look that one up... We have a Monkey island down here in Beaufort that actually is loaded with monkeys. You would be insane to try to collect anything there, they are mean. :huh:

Y'all actually have monkeys in South Carolina? How did they get there?

Zone 8a/8b Greenville, NC 

Zone 9a/9b Bluffton, SC

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Wow, Learn something new every day...

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Interesting ;) 

Zone 8a/8b Greenville, NC 

Zone 9a/9b Bluffton, SC

VA Jeff Community Regular

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I know someone who went there legally.  Took some string pulling and arrangements.  Some sabal seed might have fallen into his pocket.  I know more, but won't tell.

I tried paddling there from the Whalehead club about 4 miles away.  I was in a really big canoe each time, but the wind often pushes you the wrong way, and it becomes several hours of not fun paddling against wind and current.  In a sea kayak, it could be doable, but it would still be illegal to set foot on the island.

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God bless America...

and everywhere else too.

Manalto Mentor

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6 hours ago, VA Jeff said:

... it would still be illegal to set foot on the island.

Many years ago, my grandfather, a respected ethicist and intrepid plant rustler, assured me it's only illegal if you get caught.

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Well, if you know certain herpetologists, there is a legal way to set foot on the island, or so I've been told.

 

This same person spoke to an elderly black woman who was the daughter of the former caretaker of the island back when it was a rich Yankee hunting lodge.  Her family lived there for a while.  She told him the palms were always there from her recollection.

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1 hour ago, VA Jeff said:

Well, if you know certain herpetologists, there is a legal way to set foot on the island, or so I've been told.

 

This same person spoke to an elderly black woman who was the daughter of the former caretaker of the island back when it was a rich Yankee hunting lodge.  Her family lived there for a while.  She told him the palms were always there from her recollection.

Do you even know why this island is so secluded from the public? 

Zone 8a/8b Greenville, NC 

Zone 9a/9b Bluffton, SC

TexasColdHardyPalms Grand Master

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I knew a guy that owned monkeys and after that experience I can tell you that I wouldn't set foot on that island without a shotgun and several boxes of shells.  Monkeys are extremely dangerous and rank only a few notches below Lions/Tigers that I would want to see on a secluded island without protection.

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13 hours ago, NC_Palms said:

Do you even know why this island is so secluded from the public? 

Animal torture is not the best PR. Try to find a slaughterhouse in the US.

ETA: Oops - I read was so secluded. I don't know why it's still restricted.

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It's part of the Mackey Island Wildlife Refuge, if I recall.  And it's named after the Pamunkey Indians, not because there are monkeys running around.  The Pamunkeys are still around not far from West Point, VA.  My brother in law's family still owns land near their reservation.

A herpetologist can take a boat there because they are officially doing scientific research.  That's how my friend got his excuse to visit.  But in reality, he is more of a palm expert than many scientists claiming to be experts.

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I don't get it - is there something special about the sabal minors there?  They're all over the place on neighboring islands so what makes these any different?

Steve

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And Monkey Island is the Northern most known native habitat of Sabal minor. 

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The Sabal minors in my yard (there are several, apparently volunteers, that were there when I bought the place a year ago) are wimpy by any measure and very wimpy by comparison to the images in the links that Henoh posted. They're only waist high with three or four leaves. Is this typical? I've cleaned up the property - in other words, removed much of the competition. Can I expect them to get more robust?

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North Carolina sabal minors can grow over 8 feet tall, in numerous documented cases in the wild.

North Carolina palmettoes are also hardier than their more southerly cousins.  I picked some still greenish seed off a tree today in Albemarle, NC near Charlotte.  The seed was collected by a man living in Calabash, NC (near Myrtle Beach).  His sister grew it for 3 or more years, then planted it at least 25 years ago in Albemarle about 10 feet or more from the north side of a house.  It has survived without protection, almost definitely seeing below 0 F during that time.

 

I had a Bald Head Island palmetto at my old house in Virginia.  It is very slow growing under 2 water greedy gum trees.  Some damage at 2 F, but not major.  Totally exposed.

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When I looked up "Monkey Island", the one with actually monkeys living there is near Beaufort, SC.

The Monkey Island in NC has the northernmost Sabal minor, but no monkeys.

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On 10/28/2018, 8:16:31, Turtlesteve said:

I don't get it - is there something special about the sabal minors there?  They're all over the place on neighboring islands so what makes these any different?

Steve

 

These are the northernmost palms in the Americas, so yeah these are significant 

On 10/28/2018, 2:17:07, Henoh said:

They are big, really big form. 

https://goo.gl/images/EtFduM

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_Island,_North_Carolina#/media/File%3ASabal_Minor_Palms_on_Monkey_Island%2C_NC.jpg

Due to all the phosphate in northeastern North Carolina, the sabal minor will grow huge. Finding trunking specimens is not uncommon, but when you travel south of the Neuse River these palms tend to reach smaller sizes. 

On 10/28/2018, 4:45:56, Manalto said:

The Sabal minors in my yard (there are several, apparently volunteers, that were there when I bought the place a year ago) are wimpy by any measure and very wimpy by comparison to the images in the links that Henoh posted. They're only waist high with three or four leaves. Is this typical? I've cleaned up the property - in other words, removed much of the competition. Can I expect them to get more robust?

It depends on the variation, some minors in certain regions will tend to stay on the small size while minors in North Carolina have the ability to trunk. 

Zone 8a/8b Greenville, NC 

Zone 9a/9b Bluffton, SC

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