Areca vestiaria help asap

[Rickybobby]

Just got these seeds today. We’re sealed bags. In the mail a week with them being in such hot weather there whole journey I think half have germinated? There soaking in water and I noticed. This. Should I get them out ASAP?? And plant them in media ??

[Rickybobby]

90f and very humid here. The bags all had condensation on them. I think the one week journey here sped them up

Edited July 16, 2018 by Rickybobby

[Rickybobby]

Out of 10 seeds I purchased 3 hours after I took them out bag and put them in water. 3 have germinated. I’m blown away

[John hovancsek]

Yes get them out of water, you don't want them to rot . They are ready 

Edited July 16, 2018 by John hovancsek

[palmad Merc]

Plant them, there ready to grow!

[Rickybobby]

Well I guess they were fresh. That’s so uplifting they basically germinated in the shipping envelope on the way to my place 

[palmad Merc]

Where did you get them from?

[Rickybobby]

13 minutes ago, palmad Merc said:

Where did you get them from?

Seedman. They had been sold out all early spring up till. Week or so go. Before they wanted you to reserve them. But the day I went online to check they had a bunch so I bought 10. One thing I reaIlised is to buy seeds when the temperatures All across North America are warm. That way the seeds stay warm in transit 

[John in Andalucia]

Looking good. Now stick them in a community pot, as it'll take a couple weeks for the roots to emerge. You can split them up in a few months time, because with a friable mix the roots will still be short enough to be lifted clean out of the soil. That's the cotyledonary sheath forming, the coloured dot at the very tip being the plumule (the tip of the emerging shoot). The sheath may turn green or red, which is fun! The roots will emerge through the fibres, roughly where the green line is, so plant them in your mix vertically with the medium level no higher than this. Water thoroughly and let drain. The fibres around the sheath will stay moist due to capillary action of the soil below, so I'd say if they're to be kept in a humidity chamber then there is no need to mist the seeds. I hope this helps.

 

[Rickybobby]

1 hour ago, John in Andalucia said:

Looking good. Now stick them in a community pot, as it'll take a couple weeks for the roots to emerge. You can split them up in a few months time, because with a friable mix the roots will still be short enough to be lifted clean out of the soil. That's the cotyledonary sheath forming, the coloured dot at the very tip being the plumule (the tip of the emerging shoot). The sheath may turn green or red, which is fun! The roots will emerge through the fibres, roughly where the green line is, so plant them in your mix vertically with the medium level no higher than this. Water thoroughly and let drain. The fibres around the sheath will stay moist due to capillary action of the soil below, so I'd say if they're to be kept in a humidity chamber then there is no need to mist the seeds. I hope this helps.

 

Wow thank you so much I have them (now 4) germinated each in their own cup that should. Be ok for time being? Also on a heat mat set at 90f and in a humid dome 

[Rickybobby]

Just now, Rickybobby said:

Wow thank you so much I have them (now 4) germinated each in their own cup that should. Be ok for time being? Also on a heat mat set at 90f and in a humid dome 

So you mean that root that’s sticking out let that stay above the soil line ?

[palmad Merc]

That need's to be in the soil

[palmad Merc]

Here are some of mine, 22 months from germination.

[palmad Merc]

for there first year I used these 2inch square, by 5inch, and as what john said a free mix for excellent root development, I use equal parts coco coir seedling mix,perlite.

[palmad Merc]

Then put them in a 10cm by 165cm pot's, but they quickly out grew them, then placed them in 180cm pots

The soil after one year consists of equal parts perlite, coco coir for pots, composed pine bark,expanded clay pebbles,and I also added volcanic rock mineral.

[Rickybobby]

1 hour ago, palmad Merc said:

Then put them in a 10cm by 165cm pot's, but they quickly out grew them, then placed them in 180cm pots

The soil after one year consists of equal parts perlite, coco coir for pots, composed pine bark,expanded clay pebbles,and I also added volcanic rock mineral.

This is amazing info. I’m so happy I have some germinated it’s veru hard to find clay pebbles and material like that here I will do my best to give it the proper media. Here in Canada. (Ontario) I’ve looked immensely and a lot of the materials you guys use can’t be found. So I will compromise thank you so much and I can’t wait to take care of these gems. 

[Steve Mac]

I think that the expanded clay pebbles that you need are called 'Turface MVP' you should be able to get them delivered from the US.

[Neil C]

Also check in Hydroponic shops, they should sell those expanded clay balls.

Regards Neil

[Neil C]

Turface MVP is the same as Seramis, it's not the expanded clay pebbles but still great stuff if you can find some.

Regards Neil

[Rickybobby]

Oh ok thank you guys. Are the clay pebbles something you recommend for other palms as wel?

[Steve Mac]

Mate, I think so, it can't hurt. Go to your favorite search engine, lets say, Google, and read up on Seramis, Turface, LECA  (light expanded clay aggregate), expanded clay pebbles, and 'Alternatives to' all of those. Then see what you are actually able to get where you are, at a reasonable price.

After I did that and it took hours, many hours in many days and I was still not sure what the differences were if any, or if I could believe the claims by the sellers, and I could not get Seramis or Turface where I am anyway. And with everything else for sale you will find as many people who love a product there is an equal number who love something else. 

But you probably won't harm your palms by putting any of those types of products into your potting mix. 

Ricky, I love asking questions on here, it can sometimes save a lot of time searching but for something like this, really it is a matter of what you can get for a reasonable price and then try it out yourself, because there are so many variables involved. What works in Sydney or Berlin or Hawaii, may not be available or work in Ontario. 

And there is another point. When I say another point, I really mean the first point. Do you really need it anyway:? What is the problem that you are trying to solve? Are your palms all dying of root rot? Given your latitude, your medium mix is only one of the requirements to be met for healthy palms, if you have a free draining soil mix now, it will probably not be the limiting factor in your plants development.

I hope that this helps, if not read it again.   

Cheers Steve.

 

 

[Steve Mac]

[John in Andalucia]

21 hours ago, Rickybobby said:

So you mean that root that’s sticking out let that stay above the soil line ?

That's not a root, it's the stem of the plant. It doesn't need to be under the soil. Maybe in an ideal climate you can just toss the seeds into a bucket of dirt. My advice, based on us both not having a native environment to grow A. vestiaria, is to take the more clinical approach, to get the ball rolling.

Here are my sprouted seeds, yielding 100% germination (open the photo - it's pretty graphic). Not saying that you need to strip the fibres from your seeds, but certainly this will give you an idea of what to expect in a few weeks time.

All good advice here, otherwise.

Best of luck!

[Rickybobby]

On 2018-07-18, 3:02:17, John in Andalucia said:

That's not a root, it's the stem of the plant. It doesn't need to be under the soil. Maybe in an ideal climate you can just toss the seeds into a bucket of dirt. My advice, based on us both not having a native environment to grow A. vestiaria, is to take the more clinical approach, to get the ball rolling.

Here are my sprouted seeds, yielding 100% germination (open the photo - it's pretty graphic). Not saying that you need to strip the fibres from your seeds, but certainly this will give you an idea of what to expect in a few weeks time.

All good advice here, otherwise.

Best of luck!

When they germinated did you have any lighting on them or just shade? Currently they are under an led grow light 

[palmad Merc]

Mine were in bright shade.

[John in Andalucia]

All my sprouted seeds are in a styrofoam box under a 2.3w 6500k cool white 'pygmy' LED bulb. It's on for about 14 hours a day.

[Rickybobby]

Well update. This is one of my many vestiaris doing well I took the this photo because of the cool look of the opening leaf

[Rickybobby]

A few more. I have 8 in total  been slow. I decided to cough up the cash a tad and turned their heat mat back on with the dome and regular soil temps of 90 degrees 

[Rickybobby]

On the left is a pychosperma Elegans that I grew from seed on last trip to Jamaica

[John hovancsek]

I will admit that I am slightly addicted to this palm. I have 2 of the maroon phase ones planted in the garden then I went to the botanical gardens the other day and seen all those seedlings , it was so hard to not just grab a few

[Rickybobby]

They look awesome man. Mine have been so slow and in the dome. Barely need water so far I’ve barely done a thing to them but they are my pride and joy Palms in the nursery at the moment that and I have one old man palm

[knell]

On 7/17/2018, 9:51:49, John in Andalucia said:

Looking good. Now stick them in a community pot, as it'll take a couple weeks for the roots to emerge. You can split them up in a few months time, because with a friable mix the roots will still be short enough to be lifted clean out of the soil. That's the cotyledonary sheath forming, the coloured dot at the very tip being the plumule (the tip of the emerging shoot). The sheath may turn green or red, which is fun! The roots will emerge through the fibres, roughly where the green line is, so plant them in your mix vertically with the medium level no higher than this. Water thoroughly and let drain. The fibres around the sheath will stay moist due to capillary action of the soil below, so I'd say if they're to be kept in a humidity chamber then there is no need to mist the seeds. I hope this helps.

Vertical? What in the world makes you think that the cotyledon should be pointing at the zenith? When would this happen in nature? Baffling advice. 

[Missi]

My favorite palm! Loving everyone's pics! 

[John in Andalucia]

On 11/10/2018, 05:10:56, knell said:

Vertical? What in the world makes you think that the cotyledon should be pointing at the zenith? When would this happen in nature? Baffling advice. 

You live in an environment where palms grow without a thought. You comment therefore, makes perfect sense.

[John in Andalucia]

A quick update on my 'vertically challenged' seedlings.

[John in Andalucia]

A quick update on my 'vertically challenged' seedlings.

[Rickybobby]

1 hour ago, John in Andalucia said:

A quick update on my 'vertically challenged' seedlings.

How old?

[John in Andalucia]

Rob -

About 3 months and 3 weeks since the unsprouted seeds went into baggies.

[John in Andalucia]

I should add, that these are the vigorous ones. I have four more that are not even at the stage of yours in your most recent photo. 

[John in Andalucia]

Not sure what's going on here..