My Jubaea

[ania]

This my Jubaea, grown from a seed which came from Ecuador. It is about 5 years old. It has been  in the ground for one year, and survived last Winter beautifully. Houston's humid climate and frequent rains, don't seem to bothere it, at least for now, knock on wood. This is the only survivor out of over a hundred Jubaeas I have attempted to grow.

How long do I have to wait to see it develop a trunk?

Ania

[mjff]

Ania,  Are you sure that is a pure Jubaea?  The photos of pure Jubaea I have seen at that size resemble a cycad.  Your palm looks very similar to the Jubaea X Butia's I have.  If my new digital camera arrives as scheduled tomorrow I will post a photo of a JXB I have that is about the same size.  There are some excellent photos of young Jubaea at this site: http://www.goldengatepalms.com/public_html/jubaea.htm  The leaves on theirs appear much fuller than the ones on yours.

[ania]

(mjff @ May 31 2007,15:54)

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Ania,  Are you sure that is a pure Jubaea?  The photos of pure Jubaea I have seen at that size resemble a cycad.  Your palm looks very similar to the Jubaea X Butia's I have.  If my new digital camera arrives as scheduled tomorrow I will post a photo of a JXB I have that is about the same size.  There are some excellent photos of young Jubaea at this site: http://www.goldengatepalms.com/public_html/jubaea.htm  The leaves on theirs appear much fuller than the ones on yours.

Hi Martin:

I think it is too slow for a hybrid. I am not sure what to think of it now.

I would like to hear people's opinions.

Ania

[Kelern]

Ania,

Your palm is definitely an hybrid. A pure Jubaea wouldn't certainly be that big in five years. Also, it has a blue hint on the petioles, Jubaea is dark green. And at last the newer leaves are quite expanded, thinner and soft. You're lucky, it's very rare, fast growing and elegant. A beautiful palm tree.

[ania]

Here are two more pictures. It is 24 inches tall and the petioles are silver, indeed.

So you guys really think it is a JubaeaXButia hybrid?

I kind of miss the idea of having a pure Jub too.

Ania

[mjff]

Ania, there was good discussion of JXB's in this thread http://palmtalk.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboar...t=ST;f=1;t=4789  complete with some photos.  You might find the photos in post 68 of that thread particularly interesting.

[elHoagie]

Ania,

I agree, I think it's probably a hybrid.  The leaves on your plant look too "soft", and have a little recurve in the petiole.  Also, the leaf bases don't look like what I expect on a pure Jubaea.  It looks great whatever it is

Jack

[NCpalmqueen]

Ania

It is a healthy looking palm, whatever it is.  Looks jubaeaish to me......but, I'm a jubaea novice.  Good luck with it!

[BS Man about Palms]

Ania, There are some blue Jubea's...ask Cindy!    But I think I'm tending towards a hybrid though.  The GOOD thing is most advertised hybrids seem to look more like Butias than Jubea, yours DEFINATELY has some Jubea in it.

Cool.

[Kelern]

Hello Ania,

Here is a pic of mine taken last winter (windy!). It grows in an Irish like climate, only slightly warmer and sunnier. I sow it twenty years ago. Now it is much bigger than a Butia. Yours will grow faster i'm sure with such hot climate. Here it is

[Caryota_gigas]

There is a pic of a fairly mature Jubaea X Butia located here

[Kris]

Dear Ania  

that jubea is looking great !

And dear bill that blueish Jubea is it real or just a joke ?

And Kelern that still of yours is fabulous,and is it pure form ?

thanks & Love,

Kris  

[Alberto]

When I saw the pic I thought: That´s a hybrid!! ....Lucky you!

It explain why it is the survivor out of hundred other seedlings...

My 4 old pure Jubaea has more stiffer fronds.This looks like my hybrids also.

[Kelern]

Sorry Kris, I forgot to add the name of the picture I post. It is a cross between Jubaea and Butia, like Ania's one and not a pure Jubaea as she thought she has (first pic of the thread).

[Exotic Life]

That's a good looking palm, however it's a hybrid or not

Robbin

[ania]

Kelern;

Your palm looks very nice, and the place you live is not too shabby, either.

Thank you all for your input. So it probably is a hybrid!

I am going to move out of this house eventually. If I wanted to sell it, how much I could get the palm for? Is at as valuable as a pure Jubaea?

Ania

[DoomsDave]

Ania

Yours is a lovely palm, but I also think it's a hybrid, which, from our point of view out here,makes it even more of a prize to kill for!  

Jubes HATE hot humid climates, but buteas take them fine.  Also, comparing the leaves to my jube, they're definitely less stiff.

I don't ever recall seeing any jube hybrids out here, though I've seen the odd syagrus x butea.

dave

[ania]

Dave:

You are saying that this is even better than the pure Jub?

Ania

[mjff]

(ania @ Jun. 01 2007,17:27)

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Dave:

You are saying that this is even better than the pure Jub?

Ania

Ania,

For you a JXB is better than a pure Jubaea since obviously the pure Jubaea's won't do well in your yard.  We are selling some that will plant out at 5'-7' tall here for $500.00 to $750.00.  I've attached photos of the three I have in my own yard so far (got my new digital camera today and couldn't wait to play with it).  The first one is about the same size as yours.  Notice the resemblance?

Martin

[mjff]

Here is another one, same plant, different compression.  How are you getting photos to look so good and keep them under the 112640 byte limit?  The photos look great until I save them that low resolution.

[mjff]

Here is my JXB that planted out about 7' tall.  Chamaerops humilis in the background.

[mjff]

Here is the 5' tall JXB.

[ania]

Hi Martin:

Lovely JXB hybrids. My son and my husband took the pictures with Cannon Power Shot (autofocus). Just pointed  the camera at the palm and shot.

Ania

[Gileno Machado]

Anna your small palm is so nice, be it a hybrid or not

My experience with Jubaea here is the same size of my only plant  which is still a two leaf seedling. Several other seeds have sprouted but I couldn't manage to provide them of adequate climate, soil and watering schedule so they couldn't quite survive. Now, during our wet and cooler season I have moved the "less water group" of survivors to a sunnier, cooler (windy) and drier position, and that includes my Brahea armata, clara, brandegeei, brandegeei hybrid, sp "San Carlos", Medemia argun and Hyphaene coriacea and thebaica.

I hope my Jub survives just to the size of yours, which is very pretty. The only time I saw them grown up Chileans was in California last year and they've impressed me very positively. I'd love to see more advice here from the experts regarding cultivation tips on adequate soil and humidity for small Jubaea and Brahea seedlings.

Anna, thanks for posting the nice pics.

[Alberto]

(ania @ Jun. 01 2007,18:27)

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Dave:

You are saying that this is even better than the pure Jub?

Ania

Lucky you!

I remember Nigels words about Gastons JxB: They are worth there weight in gold!...

Here (page 4) are pics of Gastons JxB:

http://palmtalk.org/cgi-bin....;st=120

[surgeon83]

Hi Ania-

For what its worth, when I first saw your Jubea (?) in the background of your phoenix thread, I thought it was a butia.  It is gorgeous- there is a jxb just that size on ebay (or it was last year) for $1850.00.  That's right, one thousand, eight hundred fifty dollars.  If you move, I think it would be worth digging up and taking with you, whether you have to pot it or plant it   ::  

Heck, if I thought anyone else going through the neighborhood knew anything about palms, I would get a security system set up around a palm like that  Its worth almost as much as my van!  :laugh:

[BS Man about Palms]

(krisachar @ Jun. 01 2007,08:25)

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And dear bill that blueish Jubea is it real or just a joke ?

Kris-

At the Jubea "Grove" down in San Diego (roughly 50 large Jubea's) There is ONE DISTINCTLY blue one there. I don't have any pics of it, but it is easily enough spied as you drive by on the freeway.

I was hoping Cindy took some pics of it.

Bill

PS-If it is a hybrid, about the only thing it picked up was the blue, everything else looks like normal Jubea.  As a matter of fact, I think there is one at the Catamaran hotel nearby also.

[ania]

Gileno:

Thank you for nice comments. One learns something new every day on this forum.

Good luck with your Jubaea, and please treat us to some pictures of it, if you can.

Brian:

Great to see you posting. Since I have never had a chance to be around baby Jubs and Butias, I wouldn't know what is what if it hit me in the face.

I will be posting pictures occasionally to see that maybe it appears to be pure Jubaea after all, (which it probably won't happen, because experts have spoken).

Alberto:

Thank for bringing to life a very interesting thread. How come did I miss it? I have to "flap my gums" less in The Palapa, and come to the main forum more often.

Ania

[Kris]

(Kelern @ Jun. 01 2007,12:51)

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Sorry Kris, I forgot to add the name of the picture I post. It is a cross between Jubaea and Butia, like Ania's one and not a pure Jubaea as she thought she has (first pic of the thread).

Dear Kelern  

thanks for that info and sorry is a too big a word to be used

here and since i consider all here as my family.and iam a very informal kind of guy.

Dear Martin  

thanks for the visuals,since iam a visual man.i can imagine or

understand only by illustrations.

Dear Bill  

Thanks for the inforamtion.and can we all expect to see any PRA amoung you buddies in this area ? so that we

all will be blessed with some visual of that blue form...

And Dear Ania  

your topic is becoming more and more intreasting to us due to lots of additional information coming in !  

Thanks & Love,

Kris  

[ghar41]

Here is a similar size Jubaea chilensis for comparison:

[NCpalmqueen]

BS

I put the "blue" photo in the "blue jub" thread.  Of course I got a photo....wish I had a better one, though.

[BS Man about Palms]

Thanks Cindy,

Everyone, look here:

http://palmtalk.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboar...t=ST;f=1;t=5745

[Kris]

Dear Glenn  

it seems to me that you are growing all the exotic plants in your garden_Great Work !

thanks for the stills,

Love,

Kris  

[DoomsDave]

(ania @ Jun. 01 2007,18:27)

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Dave:

You are saying that this is even better than the pure Jub?

Ania

Yes!  Definitely!

Out here, Jubes are, if not a dime a dozen, then a dime apiece, relatively speaking.  (CIDPs are a penny a thousand  . . . .)

I don't know anyone out here who has a hybrid like yours appears to be.

dave

[mjff]

(Dave from So-Cal @ Jun. 03 2007,13:13)

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(ania @ Jun. 01 2007,18:27)

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Dave:

You are saying that this is even better than the pure Jub?

Ania

Yes!  Definitely!

Out here, Jubes are, if not a dime a dozen, then a dime apiece, relatively speaking.  (CIDPs are a penny a thousand  . . . .)

I don't know anyone out here who has a hybrid like yours appears to be.

dave

Dave,

I'll gladly swap you a couple of JXB like I posted photos of above for similar sized pure Jubaea.  The small jubes might be a dime a dozen, but plants that are say 7-10 years old have been almost impossible to find, and the larger ones cost as much as some homes sell for in my area.  

I'm going to be bringing an entire truckload of plants in from So. Cal in the next couple of weeks, so PM me if you want to work a trade or know where I can find some.

[ania]

Martin:

I would love a pure Jubaea seedling in my garden too, not too big, but something to be ready to plant out.

Where is San Angelo?

Ania

[mjff]

(ania @ Jun. 03 2007,18:04)

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Martin:

I would love a pure Jubaea seedling in my garden too, not too big, but something to be ready to plant out.

Where is San Angelo?

Ania

Ania,

San Angelo is about midway between Dallas and El Paso in west central Texas.  About 3 hours NW of San Antonio.

Martin

[mjff]

Ania,

I got some photos of some pure Jubaea that Gary Wood is growing.  They look pretty similar to yours.  Gary said its possible they are hybrids since the seeds were collected from a garden, but he doubted it.  He also said that he has grown them for years, and there is quite a bit of variation in all of them.  Some are more upright, some pendulous, some green, some grey, some with fat leaflets, some with thin, some with widely spaced leaflets, some close together, etc., so yours may be a pure Jubaea.

To answer your original question, near as I can tell they are usually around 10 years old before they trunk.

Martin

[palmsrgreat]

Martin,

If you ever come by Houston with some of those palms, please give me a holler!

michael

[ania]

I am not completely sold on the hybrid thing. The palm looks larger in the picture than it really is. It is pretty small.

When will it possible to tell more about it and make sure what it really is? Or do I have another mystery palm, just like my Date that nobody is sure what it is.

Ania