Does anyone have a picture of the BxJ Patric is using to produce these hybrids?

Does anyone know where I can buy some online

So what’s the deal on these? You can get a dud or a stud? How long before you know? I have one in the ground one in pot. Both are growing pretty darn slow and have significant black spots. Not sure if I want to keep them

On 6/16/2018 at 2:24 PM, 5150cycad said:

I bought this one as a (Butia x jubaea) x syagrus years ago from a local grower. I was told it was originally obtained from Patrick Schaffer, which was one of the main reasons I bought it. I have always admired the hybrids he has produced over the years. It has been a slow but steady grower. The palm seems to be getting fatter and fatter but hasn’t put on much height which is surprising since each new frond is noticeably a lot bigger than the last. I have posted before about the spotting on the older leaves since it is not aesthetically pleasing. The consensus at that time was that they were just old dying leaves which I find hard to believe since it appears shortly after the most recent leave has opened. Is this the same type of spotting that others are seeing on this hybrid? If so, any recommendations on a treatment?  It has had this type of spotting for as long as I can remember. It’s weird because this palm throws out very healthy frons all year long. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks 

ps: please excuse the bad haircut. It’s the only way I am able to have this palm in this location. I wish it would get overhead already.  

I have similar spotting on various Butia hybrids and even a pure (?) B. odorata.  My worst are one odorata and a B x S. coronata.  I am nowhere near even a novice at palm deficiencies/diseases, but after some searching, I found these spots similar to some images of potassium deficiency.  Last fall I fertilized with micros and also added SulPoMag.  So far all of my new fronds are clear.  I just put down another round of SulPoMag prior to our next round of rains.  Will see if there is any improvement this summer.

Most of my palms are summer water stressed, so at least from my perspective I doubt fungal or moisture related.  I see spotting in palms in the xeric garden and my more irrigated areas.  My soil is primarily alkaline, but most of my palms are planted in holes bored up to 10' down with amended soil.  The holes were required to get past extreme hardpan layers and into alluval sand or silt.

56 minutes ago, iwan said:

I have similar spotting on various Butia hybrids and even a pure (?) B. odorata.  My worst are one odorata and a B x S. coronata.  I am nowhere near even a novice at palm deficiencies/diseases, but after some searching, I found these spots similar to some images of potassium deficiency.  Last fall I fertilized with micros and also added SulPoMag.  So far all of my new fronds are clear.  I just put down another round of SulPoMag prior to our next round of rains.  Will see if there is any improvement this summer.

Most of my palms are summer water stressed, so at least from my perspective I doubt fungal or moisture related.  I see spotting in palms in the xeric garden and my more irrigated areas.  My soil is primarily alkaline, but most of my palms are planted in holes bored up to 10' down with amended soil.  The holes were required to get past extreme hardpan layers and into alluval sand or silt.

Thanks for the advise. Definitely worth a try. At what point did your hybrids start to show the spotting? I am going to try the SulPoMag and see what happens. Thanks 

8 hours ago, 5150cycad said:

Thanks for the advise. Definitely worth a try. At what point did your hybrids start to show the spotting? I am going to try the SulPoMag and see what happens. Thanks 

I never paid attention, but some have been in the ground for 7-10 years.  Without checking them all, I would say a majority have this to some extent.  The one ororata and BxS coronata that I mentioned are the worse.  I have also seen it on at least one Chamaerops (mostly on older fronds IIRC). 

I have not noticed this in queens (but never paid attention), B. yatay nor on the (about) 10 Jubaea that I have.  The only hybrids that I do not recall ever seeing this on are BxJx (various open pollinated).  Aside from on the one B. odorata I mentioned, I do not recall this issue on this species to a noticeable extent.

Does anyone does anyone have updated growth photos of either their BxJxS or JxS?  I ended up moving my BxJxS into  pot in a sunnier spot and it finally started growing. 

 

As for my BxP, after four or five years in the ground, it remains stunted and not growing at all (in sun too) . I am about to dig it up and might replace it with a JxS if I can get my hands on one.

 

Looking forward to your growth photos two years later after this thread! Thanks.

My BxJ)B)S in the ground for almost 3 years now. Been adding over 3" of trunk diameter a year. Gets lots of sun, irrigated spot, sandy loam with hardwood mulch, barely any fertilizer. 

Most of these images were posted in 2018. Id love to see updated photos. 

edit, this is actually Butia paraguayensis X Syagrus, I’ll have to take a different pic when I get home
Here is one I planted in 2008 as a strap leafer in a liner, it has been neglected, never fertilized, and had no supplemental water a few years. 

Edited July 5, 20215 yr by freakypalmguy
Wrong picture

Ok here’s the right palm, (Butia X Jubea) X Syagrus, neglected for years, finally just put some fert on a month ago. Hopefully that helps the yellowing fronds.

hi, I am still learning. Can someone explain something to me. Butia odorata x Syagrus romanzoffiana is always sterile.  But Butia odorata x Jubaea chilensis is fertile? and Butia odorata x Jubaea chilensis x Syagrus romanzoffiana is sterile. Do I have this correct and with the latter is the female Butia odorata x Jubaea chilensis  used to create the Butia odorata x Jubaea chilensis x Syagrus romanzoffiana. Do I have this right?

49 minutes ago, vistaprime said:

hi, I am still learning. Can someone explain something to me. Butia odorata x Syagrus romanzoffiana is always sterile.  But Butia odorata x Jubaea chilensis is fertile? and Butia odorata x Jubaea chilensis x Syagrus romanzoffiana is sterile. Do I have this correct and with the latter is the female Butia odorata x Jubaea chilensis  used to create the Butia odorata x Jubaea chilensis x Syagrus romanzoffiana. Do I have this right?

For the most part you are correct in all of this.  Lengthy reply in your identical post on another thread...

On 6/7/2018 at 9:06 AM, Eric in Orlando said:

A couple of the specimens of (Butia odorata X Jubaea chilensis) X Syagrus romanzoffiana here at Leu Gardens have started flowering recently. I got a couple photos yesterday in the rainstorm. These were acquired from Tim Hopper in 2010. This one was planted out in April 2012 from a 3gal. pot. I have heard the name X Jubutyagrus everettii  applied to this hybrid but I don't thing it has ever been formally described.

 

Eric, any updates on this one, as it's been a few years?  Did it ever produce any viable seed?

 

On 8/30/2018 at 4:11 AM, Alicehunter2000 said:

Updated picture of mine

Ils. this zone a (Butia x Jubaea) x Syagrus or a Jubaea Chilensis x Syagrius romanzofiana?