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Calyptrocalyx, anyone? In California?

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As part of my mindful New Year's Palm Resolution (thanks @Kim!) I'm considering experimenting.

There's a lot of species, maybe some will make it here, especially the ones from highland New Guinea?

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I have the same question Dave, because i have a couple of Calyptocralyx hollrungii growing slowly in my greenhouse.

I have a dream and is to see these beautys growing in my garden. But i think is only a dream...

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I would never discourage anyone from going for their dream. I allow myself 3 tries at any palm before I give up on it. I will say that Calyptrocalyx have been tricky for me long term. Despite my mostly humid, tropical climate I’be lost more species than I’ve kept alive. Because of my alkaline sandy soil I keep them in pots, which gives me the benefit of moving them indoors in very cold weather.

Your biggest challenge, aside from cool/chilly nights and cold, wet winters, is your unbelievably low and life-sucking (lack of) humidity. These are high humidity darlings whatever altitude they come from. How you can work around that outside of a climate-controlled greenhouse, I don’t know but isn’t SoCal where dreams come true?

All that said, Calyptrocalyx polyphyllus & pachystachys have done well overall for me in pots and are easy to move. Both have lovely red new leaves.

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1 hour ago, PalmatierMeg said:

I would never discourage anyone from going for their dream. I allow myself 3 tries at any palm before I give up on it. I will say that Calyptrocalyx have been tricky for me long term. Despite my mostly humid, tropical climate I’be lost more species than I’ve kept alive. Because of my alkaline sandy soil I keep them in pots, which gives me the benefit of moving them indoors in very cold weather.

Your biggest challenge, aside from cool/chilly nights and cold, wet winters, is your unbelievably low and life-sucking (lack of) humidity. These are high humidity darlings whatever altitude they come from. How you can work around that outside of a climate-controlled greenhouse, I don’t know but isn’t SoCal where dreams come true?

All that said, Calyptrocalyx polyphyllus & pachystachys have done well overall for me in pots and are easy to move. Both have lovely red new leaves.

Dreams come true, and screams come anew . . . .

I have a humid microclimate in which I've managed to keep touchy things like Dypsis crinita reasonably happy, so maybe I have a fighting chance.

Thanks for your input!

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Anyone else have any thoughts?

Getting an order ready with a certain palm seller . . . .

Panting heavily.

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This got me excited again:

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/55863-red-new-leaf-of-calyptrolyx/#comment-837284

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I do hope you have success Dave! I love this entire genus.

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I have grown quite a few and have some small ones greenhoused in SF. I agree with Meg that episodic cold and dry winds will zero these things out during their first full season outside. That said, several are eminently suitable for greenhouse culture and are worth making minor sacrifices for in spite of not being suitable plants for outdoors in California, except for spells, e.g. C. micholitzii.

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On 2/18/2018, 8:16:14, DoomsDave said:

Anyone else have any thoughts?

Getting an order ready with a certain palm seller . . . .

Panting heavily.

So did ya add some on? I got a big order from "a certain palm seller" last Friday! Christmas in February!! :yay:

Naples (inland), FL - technically 10a but more like 9b in the winter :hmm:

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So did ya add some on? I got a big order from "a certain palm seller" last Friday! Christmas in February!! :yay:

I'm waiting to hear from other Palm Talkers, and I have a feeling the silence will be deafening.

Looks like I'm about to be a pioneer. That might be cool, and, possibly, expensive. :unsure:

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I'm waiting to hear from other Palm Talkers, and I have a feeling the silence will be deafening.

Looks like I'm about to be a pioneer. That might be cool, and, possibly, expensive. :unsure:

You are not the only one! 

Yes, Spain is not California but similar climate.

These are the death trio and they will go to the ground next April.

I know, they will be death next January, lol.

Calyptocralix hollrungii, Geonoma atrovirens and Joey altifrons.

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Dunno about the Joey, but you're right on the other two. Understory geonomas and calyptros have no tolerance for drying breezes and spells of low humidity. So maybe just a dead "pair".

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Oh, dear. So @stone jaguar , you're saying that Geonomas are like Calyptrocalyx?

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The understory, single stem ones are most certainly. When was the last time you saw a G epetiolata, hugonis, divisa, stricta, atrovirens, et al. thriving as an outdoors garden plant in SoCal? It might be able to be done in a nook of a very, very, very sheltered environment that is rigorously shielded from cool temps, wind, etc. and has superb water quality. Even most of the understory chamaedoreas are very unsuitable for outdoors cultivation unless pampered and in the hands of a skilled grower. This is why in photos most all of Whitelock's rare chams look like they were halfway through the Bataan Death March.

Obviously, there are a couple woody, emergent, pinnate-leaf geonomas that can handle parts of the Bay Area and probably parts of Santa Barbara.

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I just got a Geonoma atrovirens and I'm terrified of it! It looks so fragile! I try not to even look at it wrong. :blink: I guess because I've been so severely warmed about G. epetiolata.

Naples (inland), FL - technically 10a but more like 9b in the winter :hmm:

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The understory, single stem ones are most certainly. When was the last time you saw a G epetiolata, hugonis, divisa, stricta, atrovirens, et al. thriving as an outdoors garden plant in SoCal? It might be able to be done in a nook of a very, very, very sheltered environment that is rigorously shielded from cool temps, wind, etc. and has superb water quality. Even most of the understory chamaedoreas are very unsuitable for outdoors cultivation unless pampered and in the hands of a skilled grower. This is why in photos most all of Whitelock's rare chams look like they were halfway through the Bataan Death March.

Obviously, there are a couple woody, emergent, pinnate-leaf geonomas that can handle parts of the Bay Area and probably parts of Santa Barbara.

Hmm.

Thanks for the tip.

Anyone know of any woody, emergent pinnate-leaved Calyptrocalyx?

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I am a little bit crazy, i know, but i love to see palms growing in the ground. The pots are like a prision.

And if they will be dead next Winter, unless will be free:D:D:D.

I have a sheltered spot. Shadow, no wind, no frost and i have rain water.

In this spot i have a very big Spatyfillum growing near perfection since 2014. This is my best bet.

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Monover:

How spathiphyllums acclimated will have no - repeat, no - relation to how these palms will grow. For all intents and purposes, spaths are lettuce. If you insist on torturing the understory spp. that we have been discussing, they will indeed be dead by next winter.  But they're your plants, so please be my guest and "bombs away".

Missi:

G atrovirens in quite easy compared to epetiolata and hugonis, since it is a true lowland tropical rainforest palm. Your generally high humidity and warm/hot temps are a huge plus in terms of growing it. Cloud forest and intermediate elevation geos quite another kettle of fish.

 

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Thanks @stone jaguar for your comments. I'll get some Ptychospermas, Pinangas or Dypsis instead.

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Thanks @stone jaguar for your comments. I'll get some Ptychospermas, Pinangas or Dypsis instead.

Our dreams are broken

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9 minutes ago, Monòver said:

Our dreams are broken

To be replaced by better ones!

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Missi:

G atrovirens in quite easy compared to epetiolata and hugonis, since it is a true lowland tropical rainforest palm. Your generally high humidity and warm/hot temps are a huge plus in terms of growing it. Cloud forest and intermediate elevation geos quite another kettle of fish.

 

I am relieved!! ^_^

Naples (inland), FL - technically 10a but more like 9b in the winter :hmm:

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Don't give up yet Dave my calyptrcalyx polyphylus has been in the ground for 5 yrs it keeps trying to flower its in sheltered courtyard with no wind and plenty of bright light no direct sun and fast draining soil. 

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Also calyptrocalyx sp. sanumb in same area performing well for 2 plus years fingers crossed this also gets a nice red leaf.

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Don't give up yet Dave my calyptrcalyx polyphylus has been in the ground for 5 yrs it keeps trying to flower its in sheltered courtyard with no wind and plenty of bright light no direct sun and fast draining soil. 

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 5 years! That’s a winner. Is the secret watering it with Shasta tiki punch from the 60s? 

 

 

 

 

 

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Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

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And one more sp. kal kayek I got from jungle music  I have found not much info on this species and it does not have the new red leaf wow factor but it has been alive in San Diego for around ten years and at my house in ground for 3+ years . I really wish we could grow more of this genus here I will keep trying more. I have been pleasantly surprised by many palms that people say no to a and I have killed many more Cheers 

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Your good Steve yep 50 year old Shasta tiki is the unlocked secret,to this genus in CA :floor:

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3 hours ago, akamu said:

Your good Steve yep 50 year old Shasta tiki is the unlocked secret,to this genus in CA :floor:

Where did you get/find that? The soda can. Sorry I’m a sucker for flat tops. 

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

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I found the Shasta tiki soda can above a ceiling on a job site .probably a worker left it there back in the day

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I am still growing a Calyptrocalyx Albertisianus that I got from Floribunda palms for about a year now in a gallon pot, he did lose fronds in spring even though I protected him well during winter, he grew a stunted leaf, but now he has grown a new normal looking frond, he adapted to the cold rain and wind very fast. Last winter he faced some drops to 37, but he appeared unfazed. This year he faced 40 and still looked unfazed.

Now:

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I've found the Calyptrocalyx genus tricky to grow here in SWFL. I currently have none. Their long term survival does not bode well for them. I've tried numerous species under my 3-Strikes rule and all flunked out after a few weeks/months. Too bad. They are gorgeous palms. I don't grow houseplants so no chance I'll try them as indoor palms.

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Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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