Veitchia ID? North Miami Beach library (164th@16th)

[fastfeat]

I generally don't sweat Veitchia ID too much when inventorying municipal trees (most get called V. arecina). But this group of young Veitchia looked very consistent and perhaps different than most I see used locally. All fronds seemed to be held above horizontal, pinnae seemed broader than what I generally call V. arecina.  

Ideas/opinions? I can get better/more pics if needed.

Thanks in advance...

[Eric in Orlando]

Maybe V. winin?

 

 

[fastfeat]

3 hours ago, Eric in Orlando said:

Maybe V. winin?

 

 

Thanks Eric. Don Hodel too thought it may be the same.

BTW, whatever happened to The Fairchild Guide to Palms site? How long has it been defunct?

[doranakandawatta]

On 24/5/2017 21:43:54, Eric in Orlando said:

Maybe V. winin?

 

 

Interesting, we don't see pics of Veitchia winin so often !
 

[Mandrew968]

No, I say arecina; the yellow orange bands are a dead giveaway--seen a million and two of these. Montgomery palm.

Having said that, most Veitchia in South Florida are hybrids; wouldn't be surprised if these were Montgomery hybrids, also. 

If you have ever seen a pure winin, when they get big (not as big as a arecina can get), they have a neat arrangement of the crown--it grows in five ranks. I don't believe any other Veitchia does this. Joannis is also around, in hybridized form. Pure form of joannis is supposed to have the largest Veitchia seed. Winin seed is smaller than arecina.

[fastfeat]

6 hours ago, Mandrew968 said:

No, I say arecina; the yellow orange bands are a dead giveaway--seen a million and two of these. Montgomery palm.

Having said that, most Veitchia in South Florida are hybrids; wouldn't be surprised if these were Montgomery hybrids, also. 

If you have ever seen a pure winin, when they get big (not as big as a arecina can get), they have a neat arrangement of the crown--it grows in five ranks. I don't believe any other Veitchia does this. Joannis is also around, in hybridized form. Pure form of joannis is supposed to have the largest Veitchia seed. Winin seed is smaller than arecina.

Thanks.

[Funkthulhu]

On 6/7/2017, 6:39:19, Mandrew968 said:

No, I say arecina; the yellow orange bands are a dead giveaway--seen a million and two of these. Montgomery palm.

Having said that, most Veitchia in South Florida are hybrids; wouldn't be surprised if these were Montgomery hybrids, also. 

If you have ever seen a pure winin, when they get big (not as big as a arecina can get), they have a neat arrangement of the crown--it grows in five ranks. I don't believe any other Veitchia does this. Joannis is also around, in hybridized form. Pure form of joannis is supposed to have the largest Veitchia seed. Winin seed is smaller than arecina.

I'm curious about my own, then.  I picked up seed half a decade ago from under a massive Veitchia in Ft Lauderdale.  Based on the size of the palms and the architecture of the condo courtyard they were in, these palms could have been easily planted 50+ years ago.  Since I'm still dealing with Juveniles, is there any dead giveaway I should look for to make a firm ID?  

[Mandrew968]

7 hours ago, Funkthulhu said:

I'm curious about my own, then.  I picked up seed half a decade ago from under a massive Veitchia in Ft Lauderdale.  Based on the size of the palms and the architecture of the condo courtyard they were in, these palms could have been easily planted 50+ years ago.  Since I'm still dealing with Juveniles, is there any dead giveaway I should look for to make a firm ID?  

No. And probably arecina or a hybrid. Veitchia are fast too so I bet they are not 50 years old.

[Funkthulhu]

Huh, looks like V. arecina is the best bet.  I don't know why I never saw it before.

[The Germinator]

Petiole looks to be arecina, but my spiralis also had similar markings. My joannis did not have this mottled look though.

[annafl]

I got this double as seedling Veitchia winins a few years ago.  

[doranakandawatta]

2 hours ago, annafl said:

I got this double as seedling Veitchia winins a few years ago.  

They look good !

Soon some fruits ? 

[annafl]

16 hours ago, doranakandawatta said:

They look good !

Soon some fruits ? 

This is its first time flowering, so I'll see soon!  Love these little palms in our garden.