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Wodveitchia hybridization

fastfeat

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fastfeat Grand Master

fastfeat

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I stumbled across this Wodveitchia today at a small nursery in Loxahatchee, FL in a block of 5g Wodyetias; picked it up for $20 !!  Sadly, the only one...

Brings me to my questions regarding hybridizing Wodyetia and Veitchias:

(1) Seems like there are "more" variegated Wodveitchias (attractive, but certainly less vigorous and more difficult to maintain) available in the marketplace than green ones. Any ideas on the genetics involved in creating the variegation in an apparently large percentage of seedlings?

(2) What crosses, both relative to which Veitchia species and which is pollen or pistillate parent, result in a greater percentage of green offspring?

Since I live in S Florida where both genera are common, (though unfortunately no mature ones in my yard), I'd like to try doing some of my own crosses, since I have access to some municipal trees. Any help (success or failure) would be appreciated.

PS--Keep those eyes open; you never know what you might find in a bunch of foxtails!

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SoCal and SoFla; zone varies by location.

'Home is where the heart suitcase is'...

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"If, as they say, there truly is no rest for the wicked, how can the Devil's workshop be filled with idle hands?"

bgl Grand Master

bgl

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Ken,

Welcome to the IPS Forum! I'm sorry but I don't have any answers for you - hopefully someone will.

Aloha!

Bo-Göran

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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Great find. They grow quick as well.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

Daryl Grand Master

Daryl

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Well done!

I don't think the variegated ones are any less vigorous than the green ones though. I have three, two bought as variegated and one bought as a green. Now they are all variegated!

The main  problem with the variegated ones is sunburn. My largest one seems to get more variegated every year, and the sunburn gets worse every year too! It looks like cr@p now,

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Daryl

Gold Coast, Queensland Latitude 28S. Mild, Humid Subtropical climate. Rainfall - not consistent enough!

OldNed Collaborator

OldNed

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Ken,

You might want to try checking with Rich Trapnell at Rosebud Farm Nursery in Northern Queensland.

rosebudfarm@bigpond.com

Website is http://www.rosebudfarmnursery.com/index.html

He has lots of  "Foxy Ladies" at his nursery near Kuranda.  Don't know if he was the 1st to produce this hybrid, but he was the guy who named it (after the Jimi Hendrix song).

 

Rich is an American expat. from Delaware...moved to Oz in the early 70s.  

Rich also has some very large Dypsis albofarinosa and a Pinanga coronata that grows very well in full sun (although Kuranda is in a tropical rain forest).

Merritt Island, Florida 32952

28º21'06.15"N 80º40'03.75"W

Zone 9b-10a

4-5 feet above sea level

Four miles inland

No freeze since '89...Damn!-since 2nd week of Jan., 2010

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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These are the Foxy Ladies you speak of at Rich Trapnell's place back in Nov 05.

Feast your eyes.

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Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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and another.

Rich is a very nice guy and let us photograph his garden. He did tell us that he came up with the Foxy Lady name, and I have no reason to doubt him.

He told us it was an accident after planting the Veitchia joannis's with the Wodyetia's. The Joannis's grow at about double the speed of the foxtails and when the flowers were at the same approx height, the weird cross pollinated seed showed up with the weird new plant that he named the Foxy Lady. Some Wodyetia seed from this event was distributed unwittingly at first thru out the world and the Foxy Lady thing took off. Now the V joannis's are about double the height of the Wodyetia's and the cross no longer happens from these trees. Rich's hypothesis is that bees travel at about the same height when there collecting pollen and don't do the cross thing anymore.

He also has second generation Foxy Ladies from the first crosses.

I really do like Rich. He's a real gentleman. His plants are of the highest quality and he loves what he does. He bought Rosebud Farm back in the sixties as and turned it into an "alternative lifestyle village" taht grew all it's own food without running water, electricity, or phone. He got electricity back in the eighties, and now has a phone and website etc. He lives in the original 1920's farmhouse that now and again gets visits from the local 15ft reticulated python that comes looking for his puppies to eat. He told me how he had to beat it off with a stick in his bedroom at 2am one morning. When visiting his place I nearly trod on a redbellied black snake in one of his greenhouses. It's a wild place.

regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Some Foxy Ladies in the garden at my place amongst a few other species.

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Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Garden bed against a north east facing wall with 3 Foxy Ladies. My plan is to use the Foxy Ladies as fast growing canopy palms. They took close to 44C in this position in summer.

regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

wendisplantation Community Regular

wendisplantation

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How do you tell a Foxy Lady from a foxtail when young? Do the seeds look just like a Foxtail seed? I'm asking because my first attempt at germinating palms gave me 3 foxtails out of 4 seeds. The seeds all looked alike, but the plants now don't. The first to germ has much bigger leaflets, to me looks like the Foxy Ladies above. I realize that the true leaves do not come out for a while, but these are so different!

The first pic is the first to germinate, the second pic was the second, but all around is bigger than the first.

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Wendi

"I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees!"-Dr. Seuss :P

north central east coast of Florida

halfway between Daytona and St. Augustine

15 mi inland

wendisplantation Community Regular

wendisplantation

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here's the second, you can see that the leaflets are much narrower. I am wondering if the first is a Foxy Lady?

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Wendi

"I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees!"-Dr. Seuss :P

north central east coast of Florida

halfway between Daytona and St. Augustine

15 mi inland

wendisplantation Community Regular

wendisplantation

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Anyway, If someone could pm me with more info on how to tell them apart when pot size, I would really appreciate it!! I thought I spotted one a few weeks ago in a batch of Foxtails at home depot, but not sure, I passed it up......Now I am wishing I would have bought it, because , not variegated, but just looked slightly different than the rest of the group. Also, if anyone has any seeds of these, I would like to get some, can trade or purchase.....Thanks in advance!!!

Wendi

"I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees!"-Dr. Seuss :P

north central east coast of Florida

halfway between Daytona and St. Augustine

15 mi inland

TikiRick Veteran

TikiRick

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Wendi,

If I were to bet your photos look like pure Wodyetia. The cross has thicker, more closely related frond leaflets. My recommendation if you find one, don't get the variegated ones. They struggle in the sun and continually look ragged and sunburned.

Rick Leitner

Fort Lauderdale, Florida

26.07N/80.15W

Zone 10B

Average Annual Low 67 F

Average Annual High 84 F

Average Annual Rainfall 62"

 

Riverfront exposure, 1 mile from Atlantic Ocean

Part time in the western mountains of North Carolina

Gratefully, the best of both worlds!

OldNed Collaborator

OldNed

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I agree Tyrone; Rich Trapnell is a super guy.

Went to Rosebud last July with a couple of local (Kuranda) plantophiles.

I wasn't expecting him to be a Yank...his Philadelphia-area accent gave him away.  Pretty neat saga about his travels and eventual settlement in N. Queensland.  We spent a couple of fascinating hours with Rich...amazing stuff there!  

The line of alternating Vietchias/Foxtails is just as you say; the Vs are twice as tall as the Foxes.

If you get back to N. Queensland again, you might want to stop by at Helga's Nursery in Julatten (close to Kuranda).  She has lots of Branching King palms in her carpark.  

If anyone is interested in those branching Kings, go to the Central Florida Palm forum....

http://www.2ndlight.com/forum42ndlight/cat...ies.cfm?catid=8

and search for Julatten.

Merritt Island, Florida 32952

28º21'06.15"N 80º40'03.75"W

Zone 9b-10a

4-5 feet above sea level

Four miles inland

No freeze since '89...Damn!-since 2nd week of Jan., 2010

wendisplantation Community Regular

wendisplantation

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Ok, Thanks Rick- after looking at the beautiful pics above, I was wondering about the tree in the first pic that I posted. I gues it is just slightly older than the other, or something. I truly love that little guy, it was my very first to germ, and provides me with great pleasure watching it grow and change!!

Thanks for the info :;):

Wendi

"I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees!"-Dr. Seuss :P

north central east coast of Florida

halfway between Daytona and St. Augustine

15 mi inland

ibreakforpalms Enthusiast

ibreakforpalms

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I want a Foxy Lady palm.  :(   Where can I find a seedling or a 1, 3, or 7 gal?

Jason

Sebastian, Florida USA

Zone 9B/10A

paulgila Grand Master

paulgila

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great pix,tyrone!

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

Mike Evans Mentor

Mike Evans

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(ibreakforpalms @ May 10 2007,15:24)

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I want a Foxy Lady palm.  :(   Where can I find a seedling or a 1, 3, or 7 gal?

I have some 30 gal foxy ladies for sale in St Pete.  PM me if interested.  Can supply photos.

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