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Age of Chamaedorea elegans?

Houstoncoconut

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Picked of these two beauties at my university's greenhouse sale. Paid about $30 for them and a small Texas Ebony. I was wondering if anyone could give me a guesstimate on their age. Tallest one is 40" from soil to tip of tallest frond. IMG_0525.thumb.JPG.bf61332d3357adf02afdd

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quaman58 Grand Master

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I have one that was given to me by a friend about 10 years ago. She had in her office at UCSD for 22 years. So it's at least 34 years old or so.  It's about 5-1/2 feet tall, with double heads. So using that as my guide, I would guess a minimum of 15-18 years old. Pretty cool!

Bret

 

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The subject line made me think we were talking about an era in which Chamaedorea elegans reigned supreme among houseplants.

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Houstoncoconut Apprentice

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Thanks guys! Kind of weird in a way to think its about the same age as me. 

5 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

These two Ch elegans were c. 43 years old when the photo was taken in 2015. They are still alive.

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What on earth happened to cause that crazy bend at the top?

DoomsDave Grand Master

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They're quite long lived.

When they get really tall they fall over root and start upright again.

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8 hours ago, Houstoncoconut said:

Thanks guys! Kind of weird in a way to think its about the same age as me. 

What on earth happened to cause that crazy bend at the top?

As DD already said:

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Gonzer Grand Master

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17 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

They're quite long lived.

When they get really tall they fall over root and start upright again.

Kinda like you Davey m'lad?

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3 hours ago, Gonzer said:

Kinda like you Davey m'lad?

MORE THAN YOU EVEN CAN BEGIN TO IMAGINE TO KNOW . . . .  :o

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15 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

As DD already said:

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Ah ok. hopefully I can prevent that on mine. The tall one does have a really thin spot midway on the trunk though. 

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1 minute ago, Houstoncoconut said:

Ah ok. hopefully I can prevent that on mine. The tall one does have a really thin spot midway on the trunk though. 

We all get thin spots as we age . . . .

(Gonzer shouuld know, too!)

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Oh boy hahaha. 

Also should I remove the spent male inflorescence once all the buds have fallen off or wait till the whole thing turns brown?

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7 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

We all get thin spots as we age . . . .

(Gonzer shouuld know, too!)

Lucky me, I just get age spots cuz I'm already thin.

Has anybody successfully air-layered a C. elegans?

 

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Pal Meir Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Gonzer said:

Lucky me, I just get age spots cuz I'm already thin.

Has anybody successfully air-layered a C. elegans?

Very easy. I had to cut the stem of a 2.5 m tall Ch elegans twice because the ceiling of my home wasn’t high enough and didn’t have windows.

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Some years back a PTer posted photos of his grandma's C. elegant: 8' tall and over 35 yrs old. She lived in Nebraska, kept the palm on her back porch in warm weather, brought it indoors in winter. This is a very cool little solitary palm that doesn't get the respect it deserves.

 

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3 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

This is a very cool little solitary palm that doesn't get the respect it deserves.

 

Probably has to do with its slow growth rate and the only time you ever see them available is in small seedlings at walmart that die in a week haha 

Also discovered they mine have a moderate scale infestation, any recommendations that arent chemicals?  

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19 minutes ago, Houstoncoconut said:

Probably has to do with its slow growth rate and the only time you ever see them available is in small seedlings at walmart that die in a week haha 

Also discovered they mine have a moderate scale infestation, any recommendations that arent chemicals?  

Maybe

Or, just because they survive 30 years at the DMV

 

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Another photo of Ch elegans taken in 1982 showing the growth rate of the palm on the left within 10 years.

The stem of the taller 20 years old palm on the right was shortened once.

Two of the (three) smaller palms are the palms shown on my photos from 2015 and 2008.

 

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Houstoncoconut Apprentice

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That quite a nice arrangement of them Pal Meir, are they yours?

9 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

Or, just because they survive 30 years at the DMV

 

True, who knows how long they have to wait to get watered. 

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