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Oroville spillway

DoomsDave
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Saw this, hope you're all right.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/130000-asked-to-evacuate-near-northern-california-dam/ar-AAmRa81?li=BBnb7Kz

Kindly advise.

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Appears that the danger was obvious.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/officials-were-warned-the-oroville-dam-emergency-spillway-wasn%e2%80%99t-safe-they-didn%e2%80%99t-listen/ar-AAmU43u?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=spartanntp

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A terrible thing. Drought or flood - what a choice.

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

Some one sure dropped the ball ... 12 ish years to take action... and nada ... 

Hopefully they will be able to avert disaster.  The thing is, that ignoring warnings of disaster is pretty common.  It is what happened to NOLA with Katrina and I bet dozens of large scale problems like it.

So many species,

so little time.

Coconut Creek, Florida

Zone 10b (Zone 11 except for once evey 10 or 20 years)

Last Freeze: 2011,50 Miles North of Fairchilds

California supposedly has the best dam inspections in the country.  By contrast, the New Orleans levees were known to be utterly inadequate (incompetent local levee boards, Corps of Engineers perpetually underfunded).  Even today's much-improved New Orleans levees are apparently rated for only a "100-year" storm, like what's happening to California right now.  I assume the next time the city floods, only the highest parts will be fixed up.  The Sacramento Delta levees, many of which are apparently privately owned, look like they'll fail, maybe sooner than later.  

The politics of infrastructure are lousy.  Most local politicians have higher priorities than nice airline terminals (it's different for Fort Lauderdale and Orlando, and no doubt Las Vegas).  Very hard to get schools "earthquaked."  Even harder to move them out of tsunami zones.  In Florida, people love their septic tanks, no matter that they ruin the nearby lake or estuary.   It took a very, very long time to put most of the Keys on a sewage system.  The corals appreciate it.  

Fla. climate center: 100-119 days>85 F
USDA 1990 hardiness zone 9B
Current USDA hardiness zone 10a
4 km inland from Indian River; 27º N (equivalent to Brisbane)

Central Orlando's urban heat island may be warmer than us

11 hours ago, Dave-Vero said:

California supposedly has the best dam inspections in the country.  

 In Florida, people love their septic tanks, no matter that they ruin the nearby lake or estuary.   

Did you misspell "darn" and put "dam" in by mistake?

 

I would give you an argument about septic tanks, but that is another topic.

So many species,

so little time.

Coconut Creek, Florida

Zone 10b (Zone 11 except for once evey 10 or 20 years)

Last Freeze: 2011,50 Miles North of Fairchilds

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    13 hours ago, Dave-Vero said:

    California supposedly has the best dam inspections in the country.  By contrast, the New Orleans levees were known to be utterly inadequate (incompetent local levee boards, Corps of Engineers perpetually underfunded).  Even today's much-improved New Orleans levees are apparently rated for only a "100-year" storm, like what's happening to California right now.  I assume the next time the city floods, only the highest parts will be fixed up.  The Sacramento Delta levees, many of which are apparently privately owned, look like they'll fail, maybe sooner than later.  

    The politics of infrastructure are lousy.  Most local politicians have higher priorities than nice airline terminals (it's different for Fort Lauderdale and Orlando, and no doubt Las Vegas).  Very hard to get schools "earthquaked."  Even harder to move them out of tsunami zones.  In Florida, people love their septic tanks, no matter that they ruin the nearby lake or estuary.   It took a very, very long time to put most of the Keys on a sewage system.  The corals appreciate it.  

    If we're the best, I really and truly fear for the rest!

    If you want a truly scary situation, consider Cascadia, i.e., the Pacific Northwest, including parts of British Columbia. Magnitude 9 earthquakes no one even thought about till recently.

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    15 hours ago, Jerry@TreeZoo said:

    Hopefully they will be able to avert disaster.  The thing is, that ignoring warnings of disaster is pretty common.  It is what happened to NOLA with Katrina and I bet dozens of large scale problems like it.

    And the list goes on . . .

    New York City. Pretty much the entire East Coast of the U.S. That's just for hurricanes.

    New Madrid MO, earthquakes and that whole nearby area.

     

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    theres a whole list of l ittle dams private dams and big dams that are inadequate === Sacramento river levees are founded on earth ( from old farms) so is Lake Okeechobee--- they are at risk as well --------- the only way to fund stuff from the govt is a Water Resources Development Act ----- on in 1999 and one in 2007 ------ I dont think Congress approved any that Obama submitted ---New Sheriff  we will see if any occur as he has both houses to of congress to approve a budget ---- these are the federal vehicle for water projects that provide flood control .  water supply, ---- wetlands restoration, aquifer replenishment,  and many other projects related to our water resources .   

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