Wind!!

[ChrisJordanDDS]

I'd like to take a moment to recognize my fallen foxtail.  Dang wind. 

My area in south OC got hammered last night and it's still gusty. How'd everyone else do?

[Matt in OC]

Holy ****! It was windy as heck here, kept us up all night. But no palms lost. I'm surprised your foxtail got taken out.

[ChrisJordanDDS]

I think my big red banana is a goner too. 

Now known as the leaning tower of Trabuco Canyon. 

In a way it's good... gives me time to think about how to replace the fallen friends come spring. 

[Palm Tree Jim]

Wow....how fast was the wind blowing last night and today?

I had 10-14 mph with gusts to 25-30 mph.

 

[Darold Petty]

Chris, palms are quite wind resistant.  The real question is why your palm was not.  From the photo it appears that your palms are placed slightly high relative to the actual, mineral soil, (not mulch).  The new roots erupt higher on the stem than the previous ones, your fallen palm has very few roots. The newer (adventious) roots need moisture to stimulate eruption from the stem.  If the palm is too high and the trunk base is not in contact with the moist soil then the atmospheric humidity will be too low for the new root development. 

Whenever I see new, adventious root development I always cover these roots with a moisture retentive substance. ( Lately I have used chicken manure, straight out of the bag.)

I will try to get a good photo of this later, and post it to this thread.

PS  I really admire your concrete block fence ! 

[LJG]

 Mother Nature just combing her hair.  

[Darold Petty]

Here is an example of the new, adventious roots erupting from the TOP of the root initiation zone at the base of the stem.  The palm is Howea forsteriana.

[DCA_Palm_Fan]

Sorry to see your poor little foxtail.  

I have to agree with Darold. It doesn't look like it had the strongest root system there.   I would have expected to see a lot more roots.   What kind of wind speeds did this Palm see?  

[Josh-O]

  On 12/2/2016 at 10:13 PM, ChrisJordanDDS said:

I'd like to take a moment to recognize my fallen foxtail.  Dang wind. 

My area in south OC got hammered last night and it's still gusty. How'd everyone else do?

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earlier this year Dennis W. lost a big dypsis basilongs that size to wind knocking it down.

sorry to hear about this

[Josh-O]

its pretty gusty outside as I type this

[Matt in OC]

Well, I surveyed the damage and found that I lost a small foxy lady that had a weak root system from something previously falling on it. It snapped right off its base.

More worrisome was my homemade shade structure that decided to come apart and fell on a few things. Time will tell if those palms are ok. Apparently, shade cloth makes for a great sail in the wind. 

[Tyrone]

I live in a mental wind tunnel and I hate it here when it's like that. Commiserations to everyone with there losses.

[Gonzer]

  On 12/3/2016 at 12:00 AM, Darold Petty said:

Here is an example of the new, adventious roots erupting from the TOP of the root initiation zone at the base of the stem.  The palm is Howea forsteriana.

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I wondered who took my Felco 8!

[Hilo Jason]

I had a tall skinny Dypsis saintelucei that got affected, but I've propped it up now and it should be ok. For some reason all 3 of the Saintelucei I have have very weak roots. 

[Josh-O]

  On 12/3/2016 at 5:02 PM, Fallbrook Jason said:

I had a tall skinny Dypsis saintelucei that got affected, but I've propped it up now and it should be ok. For some reason all 3 of the Saintelucei I have have very weak roots. 

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I have the same problem with this tree too Jason

I lost a 12'er early this year when we had 60MPH winds in the spring.

still bummed out

[ChrisJordanDDS]

  On 12/2/2016 at 11:47 PM, Darold Petty said:

Chris, palms are quite wind resistant.  The real question is why your palm was not.  From the photo it appears that your palms are placed slightly high relative to the actual, mineral soil, (not mulch).  The new roots erupt higher on the stem than the previous ones, your fallen palm has very few roots. The newer (adventious) roots need moisture to stimulate eruption from the stem.  If the palm is too high and the trunk base is not in contact with the moist soil then the atmospheric humidity will be too low for the new root development. 

Whenever I see new, adventious root development I always cover these roots with a moisture retentive substance. ( Lately I have used chicken manure, straight out of the bag.)

I will try to get a good photo of this later, and post it to this thread.

PS  I really admire your concrete block fence ! 

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You're absolutely right, it was planted too high. But it had seen winds before... I don't know how hard it was gusting yesterday but we get occasional strong winds like that. 

[Palm Tree Jim]

So I spent several hours this AM cleaning up the yard.

No trees came down but I did have some fronds bend and break.

Lets hope this wind is over!

[Hilo Jason]

  On 12/3/2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh-O said:

I have the same problem with this tree too Jason

I lost a 12'er early this year when we had 60MPH winds in the spring.

still bummed out

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All 3 of mine have been tied up for years as they have always wanted to just fall over. I need to show them pictures of Len's Saintelucei to motivate them into growing right!

[BS Man about Palms]

I think Lens took YEARS to look decent in the full sun!

 

[Hammer]

I will post some pics but it looks like a freaking blood bath here.  I was traveling  and came back to a disaster.

[DoomsDave]

  On 12/2/2016 at 11:47 PM, Darold Petty said:

Chris, palms are quite wind resistant.  The real question is why your palm was not.  From the photo it appears that your palms are placed slightly high relative to the actual, mineral soil, (not mulch).  The new roots erupt higher on the stem than the previous ones, your fallen palm has very few roots. The newer (adventious) roots need moisture to stimulate eruption from the stem.  If the palm is too high and the trunk base is not in contact with the moist soil then the atmospheric humidity will be too low for the new root development. 

Whenever I see new, adventious root development I always cover these roots with a moisture retentive substance. ( Lately I have used chicken manure, straight out of the bag.)

I will try to get a good photo of this later, and post it to this thread.

PS  I really admire your concrete block fence ! 

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I concur with Darold. Pile more dirt up around the bases of your other palms, they're "riding high" too.

The Red Naner can just be tilted back up and staked. If it doesn't roar angrily back from this insult, new pups will.

Sorry to hear of the wind. We didn't get any in La Habra, not like I'm going to throw a fit or anything.

Keep us apprized of what else happens, so that: (a) we can sympathize or huzzah, as needed; and (b) add to the body of knowledge.

[DoomsDave]

  On 12/4/2016 at 8:16 PM, Hammer said:

I will post some pics but it looks like a freaking blood bath here.  I was traveling  and came back to a disaster.

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Post, please, might not be as bad as you think.

 

[DoomsDave]

Though we don't get hurricanes here, we can get 'cane force winds.

My first winter in my house, I had a storm with winds that topped 90 MPH for a couple of days running. Shingles blown off the roof, that little cupola thingy with the dorky little weather vane thingy ended up on my front lawn. (Umphed it back up there, hasn't been down since, didn't fasten it.)

That long howl I'll always remember. The vibration of the little strip under the doors, like blowing through a giant empty paper candy box when you're a kid. (Mother nature having a bad day?)

[Hammer]

  On 12/4/2016 at 8:21 PM, DoomsDave said:

Post, please, might not be as bad as you think.

 

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Here's some...

I think the reason I am so stressed is due to the significant damage suffered by my Ficus dammaropsis.  I was totally flattened.

Most of my Ensetes were shredded, had leaves collapse and we're nearly tipped over in some cases. My largest Ensete nearly took out one of my Ptychosperma elegans and is now tipping out from the corner of the two walls where it was tucked.  Making it more vulnerable to win, sun and falling over the rest of the way.

[DoomsDave]

Hammer!

dude OUCH

pot up again

Give a big drink of water - for the plant

Apologize if I sounded flip or uncaring before

Ensetes? If tipped, tip up stake up and water.

Easy, in my opinion

not to sound flip

More pictures?

 

[Hammer]

  On 12/5/2016 at 2:33 AM, DoomsDave said:

Hammer!

dude OUCH

pot up again

Give a big drink of water - for the plant

Apologize if I sounded flip or uncaring before

Ensetes? If tipped, tip up stake up and water.

Easy, in my opinion

not to sound flip

More pictures?

 

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No worries DD.  The potted Ficus (rubber plant) should  be fine. 

The F.dammaropsis I stood back up and tied it up to a fence.  In the process of trying to secure it I split a branch.  Arg!  I will try to take more photos tomorrow in the light.

Still not sure how to reposition the big Ensete.  That sucker is huge!

 

[DoomsDave]

  On 12/5/2016 at 3:37 AM, Hammer said:

No worries DD.  The potted Ficus (rubber plant) should  be fine. 

The F.dammaropsis I stood back up and tied it up to a fence.  In the process of trying to secure it I split a branch.  Arg!  I will try to take more photos tomorrow in the light.

Still not sure how to reposition the big Ensete.  That sucker is huge!

 

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Tie the Ensete upright

If not okay, babies will rock

like the cradle

[Palm Tree Jim]

  On 12/5/2016 at 3:37 AM, Hammer said:

No worries DD.  The potted Ficus (rubber plant) should  be fine. 

The F.dammaropsis I stood back up and tied it up to a fence.  In the process of trying to secure it I split a branch.  Arg!  I will try to take more photos tomorrow in the light.

Still not sure how to reposition the big Ensete.  That sucker is huge!

 

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If you need help, I'm around today....

[Hammer]

  On 12/5/2016 at 2:31 PM, Palm Tree Jim said:

If you need help, I'm around today....

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Oh man, just now saw this.  

[Cocoa Beach Jason]

[Phoenikakias]

  On 12/4/2016 at 8:20 PM, DoomsDave said:

I concur with Darold. Pile more dirt up around the bases of your other palms, they're "riding high" too.

The Red Naner can just be tilted back up and staked. If it doesn't roar angrily back from this insult, new pups will.

Sorry to hear of the wind. We didn't get any in La Habra, not like I'm going to throw a fit or anything.

Keep us apprized of what else happens, so that: (a) we can sympathize or huzzah, as needed; and (b) add to the body of knowledge.

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I had brought back to life a broken stem of Chamaedorea microspadix. It was a very healthy stem with several leaves on, but it broke just below root initiation zone for an unknown reason (perhaps a to crowded clump?). I potted it up and placed it in my cold frame. Of course all older leaves eventually dried out, but spear grew further and expanded, a new spear appeared and side shoots as well! I think the key of survival has been lack of strong air movement and increased air moisture, factors which enhance or decrease respiration and subsequent need for water uptake respectively. If a tall greenhouse is available, then this foxtail mah have some chance as well.

[ChrisJordanDDS]

  On 12/6/2016 at 9:08 AM, Phoenikakias said:

I had brought back to life a broken stem of Chamaedorea microspadix. It was a very healthy stem with several leaves on, but it broke just below root initiation zone for an unknown reason (perhaps a to crowded clump?). I potted it up and placed it in my cold frame. Of course all older leaves eventually dried out, but spear grew further and expanded, a new spear appeared and side shoots as well! I think the key of survival has been lack of strong air movement and increased air moisture, factors which enhance or decrease respiration and subsequent need for water uptake respectively. If a tall greenhouse is available, then this foxtail mah have some chance as well.

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I considered propping it up to a stake, but decided against it.  I did stake up the big banana tree that tipped over, so we'll see how that does long term.