Best Landscaping Palm for Zone 9?

[PalmTreeDude]

What would be, in your opionion, the best Landscaping Palm for zone 9b central Florida? 

[Yunder Wækraus]

3 minutes ago, PalmTreeDude said:

What would be, in your opionion, the best Landscaping Palm for zone 9b central Florida? 

Cabbage palm :-)

[Xenon]

Livistona decora...lines a section of interstate 45 in Houston, looks really nice. 

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

CIDP, a tall sabal palm, or a queen

[Sandy Loam]

Kentiopsis Oliviformis, but it depends on what your criteria are.

(Is speed your priority? ...or aesthetics regardless of speed?  wet soil patch?  sandy soil patch?  full sun or shaded area?)

[PalmTreeDude]

Washingtonia are over used, but they can still be nice if you have maybe just one or two in the yard. What about Mule palms?

Edited October 25, 2016 by PalmTreeDude

[RedRabbit]

35 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said:

Kentiopsis Oliviformis, but it depends on what your criteria are.

(Is speed your priority? ...or aesthetics regardless of speed?  wet soil patch?  sandy soil patch?  full sun or shaded area?)

Interesting, I would have thought you'd recommend a. cunninghamiana given your success with it.

[Cocoa Beach Jason]

I second the kentiopsis. Start with a good size one. I wouldn't call mine slow.

[Xerarch]

Bizzy

[Stevetoad]

One of the big sabals. Maybe it's just because I'm in love with mine. 

 

[Sandy Loam]

That thing is huge!  Domingensis?

[Stevetoad]

15 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said:

That thing is huge!  Domingensis?

Think it's causiarum but not 100% sure. It's been pretty fast too so naybe a hybrid. 

[Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax)]

23 hours ago, Xerarch said:

Bizzy

Agreed, this is a show stopper.

 

[Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax)]

On 10/24/2016, 9:06:55, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

CIDP, a tall sabal palm, or a queen

CIDP  isn't very well adapted here, and most queens leave a lot to be desired too.

[Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax)]

On 10/24/2016, 9:19:44, Sandy Loam said:

Kentiopsis Oliviformis, but it depends on what your criteria are.

(Is speed your priority? ...or aesthetics regardless of speed?  wet soil patch?  sandy soil patch?  full sun or shaded area?)

I will have to give this one a try.  It just looks toooooooo tropical to be reliable here.  Maybe in a favorable microclimate, but not alongside  I-4 like so many others.

[RedRabbit]

2 minutes ago, Keith in SoJax said:

I will have to give this one a try.  It just looks toooooooo tropical to be reliable here.  Maybe in a favorable microclimate, but not alongside  I-4 like so many others.

Awesome, I hope you do give it a try. I think they're comparable to A. cunninghamiana and R. regia... Plant it next to your house and I imagine it would have a fighting chance of being viable long term.

[Yunder Wækraus]

My old house was USDA 9b in CA. I had several palm species, most still small, and only my king palms were ever damaged by cold. I had queen palms, Mediterranean fan palm, pindo palm, Guadalupe fan palm, Chilean wine palm, pygmy date palm, king palm, some bamboo palms, and a few others. All survived temps down to the mid-to-high 20s at least once, and only the king palms showed damage.

[Alan_Tampa]

Mule, for sure!

[Ben in Norcal]

21 minutes ago, RedRabbit said:

Awesome, I hope you do give it a try. I think they're comparable to A. cunninghamiana and R. regia... Plant it next to your house and I imagine it would have a fighting chance of being viable long term.

Not sure about ultimate low temps, but K.O. can sure take WAY more cool weather than Roystonea can, without rotting.

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

13 hours ago, Keith in SoJax said:

CIDP  isn't very well adapted here, and most queens leave a lot to be desired too.

maybe one of the other date palms.  like a sylvester.   and queens are quite common in centeral florida.  too common for most people.  maybe a majesty palm or an everglades palm.  a royal might not survive long term but might live a few years.

[Monòver]

Parajubaea torally and XButiagrus (mule) .

These have a tropical coconut look and  are "fast" growers.

[RedRabbit]

1 hour ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

maybe one of the other date palms.  like a sylvester.   and queens are quite common in centeral florida.  too common for most people.  maybe a majesty palm or an everglades palm.  a royal might not survive long term but might live a few years.

Royals do fine in warm parts of 9b. 

A majesty is a good suggestion, if the get enough water and nutrients they look really nice. 

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

3 hours ago, RedRabbit said:

Royals do fine in warm parts of 9b. 

A majesty is a good suggestion, if the get enough water and nutrients they look really nice. 

i might be confused on the zones.  maybe a christmas palm, or a coconut

[RedRabbit]

 

9 minutes ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

i might be confused on the zones.  maybe a christmas palm, or a coconut

Royals are way tougher than those two. Neither of them will do well in 9b.

Edited October 26, 2016 by RedRabbit

[PalmTreeDude]

2 hours ago, RedRabbit said:

Royals are way tougher than those two. Neither of them will do well in 9b.

Yep! Royals do well in zone 9b Florida.

2 hours ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

i might be confused on the zones.  maybe a christmas palm, or a coconut

Those palms would do well in zone 10a + Florida. Zone 10a is when you really start seeing the tropical palms!

Edited October 26, 2016 by PalmTreeDude

[jreich85]

IMO, if money was not a problem, it would be Bizzie, Sylvester Date Palm, or Wax Palm (Copernicia alba I believe). The first for its color and boldness, and the second two for the texture of their trunks and architectural qualities. They look outstanding with uplighting too!

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

Bismarckia for sure.

[Sandy Loam]

On ‎10‎/‎26‎/‎2016‎ ‎3‎:‎55‎:‎35‎, RedRabbit said:

 

Royals are way tougher than those two. Neither of them will do well in 9b.

(RedRabbit's comment regarding Christmas Palms and Coconuts)

 

I see lots of Christmas palms (Adonidia Merillii) around Orlando and they seem to do fine, although Orlando may be zone 10a instead of 9b.  Admittedly, I have never Christmas Palms anywhere north of Orlando in Florida. 

I agree with you about coconuts. 

 

[RedRabbit]

2 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said:

(RedRabbit's comment regarding Christmas Palms and Coconuts)

 

I see lots of Christmas palms (Adonidia Merillii) around Orlando and they seem to do fine, although Orlando may be zone 10a instead of 9b.  Admittedly, I have never Christmas Palms anywhere north of Orlando in Florida. 

I agree with you about coconuts. 

 

Yep, there are plenty of adonidia here too. I'd guesstimate 98% are under 6yrs old... They may make it a few more years but they're just not reliable in 9b.

[topwater]

Do y'all have any luck with Chambeyronia in zone 9 FL?

[RedRabbit]

5 hours ago, topwater said:

Do y'all have any luck with Chambeyronia in zone 9 FL?

Good question, I'd be interested to see what everyone else thinks about that. I've got a potted Chambeyronia that will be planted eventually but I'm not sure how suitable it really is. 

[topwater]

I've heard rumors of them being 9a hardy in FL but I have no idea if it's true.  I have a few I'm going to plant this spring as well. 

[annafl]

We've had a Chambeyronia macrocarpa in Sarasota for a few years and it does just fine.  Never had problems with winters.  However, can't remember whether it was planted in 2009 or 2010 (our most severe winter in a while was the winter of 2009-10.  Was given a very small one three years ago which has done just fine too.  We are near the coast, so borderline 9b/10a.

[enigma99]

Chambeys, archies, royals or a KO :)

[RedRabbit]

I'd have to go with a royal. I know there have been some as far north as Daytona for the better part of 20yrs so they're pretty well adapted for 9b. 

L. decora and B. nobilis deserve honorable mentions.

 

Edited October 29, 2016 by RedRabbit

[Sandy Loam]

I consider Livistona Decora to be a zone 8b palm, and I consider Bismarckia Nobilis to be a zone 9a palm.  If I were in zone 9b, I would be trying to push my garden into more tropical looking foliage than L.Decora or B. Nobilis, personally.              

 

 

 

[topwater]

In what zone do y'all consider queens "bulletproof" in FL?  It's become the official palm of Houston, like it or not.  It does great by the coast (solid 9b), but tends to suffer on the north side of town, (cool 9a). They are so ubiquitous that there was I time I threw up in my mouth every time I saw one, but I'm over it, thank God. Well grown queens are the cats meow. 

[topwater]

18 hours ago, RedRabbit said:

I'd have to go with a royal. I know there have been some as far north as Daytona for the better part of 20yrs so they're pretty well adapted for 9b. 

L. decora and B. nobilis deserve honorable mentions.

 

In my 9b place, Roystonea is a heartbreaker.  That being said, I have a bunch of Wodyetia happily going on year four now.  

 

 

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Edited October 30, 2016 by topwater

[RedRabbit]

3 hours ago, topwater said:

In my 9b place, Roystonea is a heartbreaker.  That being said, I have a bunch of Wodyetia happily going on year four now.  

 

 

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Really? 

Roystonea regia and borinquena are tougher than Wodyetia in Florida. I wouldn't try Roystonea in a cold 9b location, but they do great in the warmer half of 9b.

I think I've posted these before, but I know these 3 royals have managed to survive on the mainland in Volusia County since the 90s:  https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1096613,-81.0071417,3a,75y,211.04h,98.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZQOp6fdofyTw3ALsxYPoxw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Edited October 30, 2016 by RedRabbit

[Xenon]

4 hours ago, topwater said:

In my 9b place, Roystonea is a heartbreaker.  That being said, I have a bunch of Wodyetia happily going on year four now.  

Both the Wodyetia and the Roystonea at Moody Gardens managed to squeak by the 2010 and 2011 freezes, the royals are a bit more protected though. Wodyetia must be more readily available because they seem to popping up on the island, Bismarckia is a bit more common. There's an absolutely stunning Bismarckia just a few streets down as you enter the island, definitely should be used more. I've always noticed more queens in newly developed areas, they're everywhere in parts of Katy. I'm seeing a lot of Ravenea rivularis too, will be interesting to see how long they last.