Is the Everglades palm found in Fakahatchee? If not, why not?

Does no one know?

yeah, i went to their website and they didnt mention everglades palms.  however they did not mention sabal palms either, and they are loaded with them.  theres still hope!

3 hours ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

yeah, i went to their website and they didnt mention everglades palms.  however they did not mention sabal palms either, and they are loaded with them.  theres still hope!

This rather informal map is all I've found thus far: http://www.plantmaps.com/nrm/acoelorrhaphe-wrightii-paurotis-palm-native-range-map.php

5 minutes ago, Yunder Wækraus said:

This rather informal map is all I've found thus far: http://www.plantmaps.com/nrm/acoelorrhaphe-wrightii-paurotis-palm-native-range-map.php

The same source makes very specific claims about the distribution of royal palms http://www.plantmaps.com/nrm/roystonea-elata-florida-royalpalm-native-range-map.php

2 hours ago, Yunder Wækraus said:

The same source makes very specific claims about the distribution of royal palms http://www.plantmaps.com/nrm/roystonea-elata-florida-royalpalm-native-range-map.php

What an odd map. Royals have a very patchy distribution near Fakahatchee, but I wouldn't say that this map is very accurate. It doesn't even include the royal palm hammock in the distribution. 

7 minutes ago, Zeeth said:

What an odd map. Royals have a very patchy distribution near Fakahatchee, but I wouldn't say that this map is very accurate. It doesn't even include the royal palm hammock in the distribution. 

Did you see any Everglades palms in Fakahatchee when you were exploring down there?

I didn't see them while I was there, but that doesn't mean that they aren't anywhere in the park. I pretty much made a straight shot to the royal palm hammock when I went, so I didn't go on any trails except K-2 and the east main trail. I'll email the park biologist to see what he has to say.

3 hours ago, Yunder Wækraus said:

The same source makes very specific claims about the distribution of royal palms http://www.plantmaps.com/nrm/roystonea-elata-florida-royalpalm-native-range-map.php

Believe it or not, I saw royals growing naturally in Fort Lauderdale, there was a big strip of woods, maybe 50 acres and it was filled with them, you saw them coming out of the sides and sticking over the top of the trees, it was a beautiful sight. 

Just as an update. The park biologist has confirmed that they're present within the park. Here's what he says:

 

Hi Keith,

The A. wrightii are more common within the Fakahatchee Strand from I-75 to about 7 miles south.  The Natural Community is Strand Swamp which is dominated by Bald Cypress and includes Red Maple, Coastal Plains Willow, Dahoon Holly, Swamp Bay (Persea palustris), Pop ash, Pond apple, Sabal Palm, Royal Palm, etc.  The A. wrightii can be found in areas with about 6 to 12 inches of water in September or October.  The Royal Palms tend to be on somewhat higher ground, either Rockland Hammocks or trams(old railroad beds from the logging operations in the 1940’s to early 1950’s).  However some of the Royal Palms actually grow in Strand Swamp or even Slough!

Thanks for your interest in Fakahatchee Strand Preserve State Park!    

 

Mike Owen, Park Biologist

57 minutes ago, Zeeth said:

Just as an update. The park biologist has confirmed that they're present within the park. Here's what he says:

 

Hi Keith,

The A. wrightii are more common within the Fakahatchee Strand from I-75 to about 7 miles south.  The Natural Community is Strand Swamp which is dominated by Bald Cypress and includes Red Maple, Coastal Plains Willow, Dahoon Holly, Swamp Bay (Persea palustris), Pop ash, Pond apple, Sabal Palm, Royal Palm, etc.  The A. wrightii can be found in areas with about 6 to 12 inches of water in September or October.  The Royal Palms tend to be on somewhat higher ground, either Rockland Hammocks or trams(old railroad beds from the logging operations in the 1940’s to early 1950’s).  However some of the Royal Palms actually grow in Strand Swamp or even Slough!

Thanks for your interest in Fakahatchee Strand Preserve State Park!    

 

Mike Owen, Park Biologist

Awesome! Three (significantly) trunking palms from three genera in one mainland park! 2 palmate, 1 feather; 2 non-clumping, 1 clumping; 1 with crown shaft, 2 without; 1 that maxes out at 30', one that can surpass 50', and one that might reach 100'. 

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1 hour ago, Yunder Wækraus said:

Awesome! Three (significantly) trunking palms from three genera in one mainland park! 2 palmate, 1 feather; 2 non-clumping, 1 clumping; 1 with crown shaft, 2 without; 1 that maxes out at 30', one that can surpass 50', and one that might reach 100'. 

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sabals top out around 70-80, and royals can reach 120ft

Awesome!    I love A. Wrightii.  Glad they're there.    

 

That map map seems very sparse to me.  I would think that both are far more widespread down there than whatever that map indicates.  ESP the royals.