any cold hardy Attalea ?

[Mohsen]

I am thinking to get some more species and I like Attalea very much,

I have heard that " Attalea rostrata " is some how cold hardy , anyone confirm this? is this or any other Attaleas could survive in Sydney ( Thornleigh) weather?

[SubTropicRay]

Attalea cohune and butyracea are zone 9b palms. Both species survived hard freezes during the 1980's in my hometown of Tampa.  I'm sure both would do well in Sydney.   

[GottmitAlex]

  On 10/7/2016 at 6:18 PM, SubTropicRay said:

Attalea cohune and butyracea are zone 9b palms. Both species survived hard freezes during the 1980's in my hometown of Tampa.  I'm sure both would do well in Sydney.   

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After reading this thread, I looked up Attalea Cohune.  That palm tree has a striking resemblance to the Cocos nucifera.

[SubTropicRay]

More attractive than a Coconut in my opinion and much more massive.

[PalmTreeDude]

I personally like Attalea cohune. 

[Daryl]

I reckon they are worth trying in Sydney. You will need to find a hot, sunny spot for good growth though. The long cool winter season would be their biggest challenge. I had A.cohune and A.butyracea growing at my last place on he Gold Coast, and both were surprisingly fast growers. These are beautiful palms at a younger age, with lovely variegated petioles - nobody ever seems to mention this great feature.

 

Here's a young one at Nong Nooch...

[GottmitAlex]

However I read Attalea cohune is not longevous. Is this true?

[Daryl]

  On 10/7/2016 at 11:03 PM, GottmitAlex said:

However I read Attalea cohune is not longevous. Is this true?

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News to me...I know of many that are decades old here in Australia

[GottmitAlex]

  On 10/8/2016 at 12:05 AM, Daryl said:

News to me...I know of many that are decades old here in Australia

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Don't know the veracity of this, but:

http://palmpedia.net/palmsforcal/Attalea_cohune

[Daryl]

I think the reference in the Palmpedia text is to palms growing where they get severe freezes that would kill the above ground growing point...whilst below ground they are better insulated against severe cold that is experienced in areas such as central Florida....hence the '15' years relates to the time until the growing point is above ground and then susceptible to a severe freeze that could potentially kill the palm. The natural life of A.cohune is potentially greater than 100 years IMO..

Here's another photo of that Attalea at Nong Nooch...you get a better idea of the size of these monsters... 

 

[GottmitAlex]

Wow! They are humongous. Thank you for the info Daryl.

[gilles06]

You can try attalea dubia, if you can get one?

[Mohsen]

  On 10/8/2016 at 6:20 AM, gilles06 said:

You can try attalea dubia, if you can get one?

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thanks for all nice recommendations ... Attalea cohune  looks unbelievable .... my only hope to get them is Ben @Kennybenjamin 

[Tyrone]

I would love to try one of these but I think my winter season would be too tragic for them. 

[Ben in Norcal]

I am trying A. cohune here in California 9b/10a.  I think the long cool + wet season will be the biggest challenge here, as well.

[Hilo Jason]

I have Attalea Geraensis here in Fallbrook (north San Diego county) and it's been a great grower for me. Has seen a low of 29 and high of 110 and never spotted or burnt. Been in the ground for 6 years from a small 5 gallon and leaves are now about 20 feet tall. 

[Kennybenjamin]

Sorry Mohsen, I have none 

[Mohsen]

  On 10/8/2016 at 3:35 PM, Fallbrook Jason said:

I have Attalea Geraensis here in Fallbrook (north San Diego county) and it's been a great grower for me. Has seen a low of 29 and high of 110 and never spotted or burnt. Been in the ground for 6 years from a small 5 gallon and leaves are now about 20 feet tall. 

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Thanks Jason

please post picture if you have  

[Mohsen]

  On 10/8/2016 at 9:55 PM, Kennybenjamin said:

Sorry Mohsen, I have none 

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No worries Ben

i sent you pm :)

[topwater]

I too am a huge Attalea fan in a 9b zone.  My only complaint is that my A. cohune seedling is probably the slowest palm that I've ever owned, it's opened one leaf in 6 months, I'm way too old for it. 

[Kennybenjamin]

  On 10/8/2016 at 10:14 PM, Mohsen said:

No worries Ben

i sent you pm :)

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I can help with attalea insigis only I'm afraid..... not sure of it's cold hardiness?

[Danilopez89]

I love attaleas too! I bought 7 of them last year 

And just recently planted my biggest one.

Mohsen, maybe take a look at ebay. I found 2 different sellers when I purchased mine. They love heat + water just like my bizzies and royals.

[Danilopez89]

Not sure if its common with all A. Cohune but mine has a sort of "metallic" colors going on on the older fronds.

[Josh-O]

  On 10/8/2016 at 3:48 AM, Daryl said:

I think the reference in the Palmpedia text is to palms growing where they get severe freezes that would kill the above ground growing point...whilst below ground they are better insulated against severe cold that is experienced in areas such as central Florida....hence the '15' years relates to the time until the growing point is above ground and then susceptible to a severe freeze that could potentially kill the palm. The natural life of A.cohune is potentially greater than 100 years IMO..

Here's another photo of that Attalea at Nong Nooch...you get a better idea of the size of these monsters... 

 

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super impressive!

thanks for sharing

[Josh-O]

  On 10/9/2016 at 2:47 PM, Danilopez89 said:

I love attaleas too! I bought 7 of them last year 

And just recently planted my biggest one.

Mohsen, maybe take a look at ebay. I found 2 different sellers when I purchased mine. They love heat + water just like my bizzies and royals.

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that thing will hijack that hole in no time flat in your climate

[Sandy Loam]

Isn't the problem with Attaleas that they spend the first thirty or forty years without a trunk? If so, an Attalea with a tall trunk must be quite old. 

I had an Attalea for a while, but got rid of it due to its projected size and the facts that it would be trunkless for years. I can't remember whether it was Attalea Cohune or Attalea Rostrate, but both are supposed to be a bit (but not very) cold-hardy

[Ben in Norcal]

  On 10/9/2016 at 4:30 PM, Sandy Loam said:

Isn't the problem with Attaleas that they spend the first thirty or forty years without a trunk? If so, an Attalea with a tall trunk must be quite old. 

I had an Attalea for a while, but got rid of it due to its projected size and the facts that it would be trunkless for years. I can't remember whether it was Attalea Cohune or Attalea Rostrate, but both are supposed to be a bit (but not very) cold-hardy

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I think that's also a benefit for those of us in colder climes, too - growing point stays below ground for a long time and gives it a shot of surviving quite a while.  I think the leaves are stunning all by themselves.

[Hilo Jason]

  On 10/8/2016 at 10:12 PM, Mohsen said:

Thanks Jason

please post picture if you have  

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i have a hard time getting a good picture but I'm pretty sure Pando got one and its here on Palmtalk in his photo thread of when the palm society was at my garden in March of this year. 

Here are a couple of pictures that I found on my phone. 

the above photo shows the Attalea on the left behind a Foxy Lady trunk. The fence behind it is 6 feet tall. 

this other photo is taken from the second floor of my house. You can see the attalea leaves to the right of the foxy lady, just as tall and no trunk yet. You can see the 6 foot fence down below for scale. This photo was taken 6 months ago and since then it has pushed another larger leaf. One of my favorite palms in my garden. 

[Mohsen]

  On 10/10/2016 at 4:56 AM, Fallbrook Jason said:

i have a hard time getting a good picture but I'm pretty sure Pando got one and its here on Palmtalk in his photo thread of when the palm society was at my garden in March of this year. 

Here are a couple of pictures that I found on my phone. 

the above photo shows the Attalea on the left behind a Foxy Lady trunk. The fence behind it is 6 feet tall. 

this other photo is taken from the second floor of my house. You can see the attalea leaves to the right of the foxy lady, just as tall and no trunk yet. You can see the 6 foot fence down below for scale. This photo was taken 6 months ago and since then it has pushed another larger leaf. One of my favorite palms in my garden. 

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Thanks Jason

I envy you...you have too many goodies

That Attalea is a killer for sure

[SubTropicRay]

To my knowledge, Dent Smith's A. cohune is still growing in Daytona Beach despite the growing point being above ground.  At least it was there in the late 1990's.   It was planted in the 1950's and has seen quite a few hard freezes in its lifetime.

[Hilo Jason]

  On 10/10/2016 at 10:09 AM, Mohsen said:

Thanks Jason

I envy you...you have too many goodies

That Attalea is a killer for sure

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I agree. Too many goodies, but the problem is not enough space!  My yard is small but I try to make the most of it. 

Here are 2 more pics of the attalea, taken yesterday.

 

[Palm Tree Jim]

  On 10/11/2016 at 3:53 PM, Fallbrook Jason said:

I agree. Too many goodies, but the problem is not enough space!  My yard is small but I try to make the most of it. 

Here are 2 more pics of the attalea, taken yesterday.

 

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That was one of my favorites from your yard Jason!

[Mohsen]

  On 10/11/2016 at 3:53 PM, Fallbrook Jason said:

I agree. Too many goodies, but the problem is not enough space!  My yard is small but I try to make the most of it. 

Here are 2 more pics of the attalea, taken yesterday.

 

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Thanks Jason, that's a real beauty ,

May I ask ,what is your garden size and how many palms you have there ?

[Hilo Jason]

  On 10/12/2016 at 2:01 AM, Mohsen said:

Thanks Jason, that's a real beauty ,

May I ask ,what is your garden size and how many palms you have there ?

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My lot is 8000 sq ft / 743 sq meters. I have about 225 palms planted. Probably 100 different species. I only plant palms now when I need to replace one that is not doing well. I'm not trying to squeeze anymore in. I'm actually removing a couple to open it up a bit. Also focusing more on colorful companion plants now. But the garden is always evolving and changing and I like that. 

[Hilo Jason]

  On 10/11/2016 at 4:04 PM, Palm Tree Jim said:

That was one of my favorites from your yard Jason!

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I have to give the credit to Kevin Weaver for this palm. When I first went to Kevin's he had this one attalea and told me I should try it. I had no idea what it was as I was new into palms. It was probably $20  since it was in a 5 gallon pot. One of my best palm purchases ever and I didn't even know it at the time! 

You'll have to come back by sometime. I've noticed a surprising difference in growth and green after setting up my EZ Flo. (Thanks Len!) 

[Palm Tree Jim]

  On 10/12/2016 at 4:38 PM, Fallbrook Jason said:

I have to give the credit to Kevin Weaver for this palm. When I first went to Kevin's he had this one attalea and told me I should try it. I had no idea what it was as I was new into palms. It was probably $20  since it was in a 5 gallon pot. One of my best palm purchases ever and I didn't even know it at the time! 

You'll have to come back by sometime. I've noticed a surprising difference in growth and green after setting up my EZ Flo. (Thanks Len!) 

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Let me know when.....I can get back down and we can do a drone video for you!