my new Dypsis leptocheilos?!!!

[Mohsen]

Hi All

Jut got this guy ( or I should say guys as it has two stem and I don't think it is a clustering palm?) It is beautiful and healthy ...

It is in 100 L bag and over 2.5 m tall ( from tip of new unopened frond) ...

 

 

 

I was thinking to plant it near to our new Granny Flat , we dug and unfortunately we hit the rock ( I hate it) , so no way we could go deep there...

 

Now I am not sure if I can find another place for it   my question is :

1- Before I find a final home for this, how often I should water it...every day? every other day ? It is in full sun...

2- Can I build a raised bed over the site ( where we hit the rock) and plant it? I am not sure if it is a good idea as what would happen to the drainage at the bottom of the raised bed still will be the rock

3- Can I buy a huge pot and keep it there forever ?anyone has even done this for a long time?

Thanks for any input

Mohsen

[Neil C]

That's a beast!!

 

Regards Neil

[PalmTreeDude]

Truly awesome! Good luck with it! 

[RedRabbit]

Geez, that spear looks unnaturally large. 

Congrats on the new addition, my leptochilos is my favorite palm. So far it has been a fast grower that has offered zero trouble.  

[PalmTreeDude]

Yeah, like RedRabbit said, what is up with the length of that spear? 

[Mohsen]

57 minutes ago, Neil C said:

That's a beast!!

 

Regards Neil

 

56 minutes ago, PalmTreeDude said:

Truly awesome! Good luck with it! 

 

46 minutes ago, RedRabbit said:

Geez, that spear looks unnaturally large. 

Congrats on the new addition, my leptochilos is my favorite palm. So far it has been a fast grower that has offered zero trouble.  

 

Thanks guys for the nice complements   

But any idea about my questions ? I am worry it cant be left like this in the bag forever  

[PalmTreeDude]

9 minutes ago, Mohsen said:

 

 

 

Thanks guys for the nice complements   

But any idea about my questions ? I am worry it cant be left like this in the bag forever  

I think watering every day would do the trick, and I heard, but I am no expert on this palm, that it can tolerate full sun. I would NOT recommend building a raised bed over the site, because then it would be like having a pot connected to the ground and if it gets damaged, all the roots are exposed (the palm would hate that), and the whole thing could fall over! You could get a big wooden box for large palms, but eventually after a few years I think it would want to come out.

Here is a Palmpedia page on this palm, you may find some good information here! http://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Dypsis_leptocheilos

Edited September 11, 2016 by PalmTreeDude

[PalmTreeDude]

Actually, the Palmpedia page says it loves water! But I would not completely over water it, maybe once a day, in this case. 

[DoomsDave]

1 hour ago, RedRabbit said:

Geez, that spear looks unnaturally large. 

Congrats on the new addition, my leptochilos is my favorite palm. So far it has been a fast grower that has offered zero trouble.  

They have big long spears

I concur!

Ran around the yard screaming obscenities . . . .

[DoomsDave]

1 hour ago, Mohsen said:

Hi All

Jut got this guy ( or I should say guys as it has two stem and I don't think it is a clustering palm?) It is beautiful and healthy ...

It is in 100 L bag and over 2.5 m tall ( from tip of new unopened frond) ...

 

 

 

I was thinking to plant it near to our new Granny Flat , we dug and unfortunately we hit the rock ( I hate it) , so no way we could go deep there...

 

Now I am not sure if I can find another place for it   my question is :

1- Before I find a final home for this, how often I should water it...every day? every other day ? It is in full sun...

2- Can I build a raised bed over the site ( where we hit the rock) and plant it? I am not sure if it is a good idea as what would happen to the drainage at the bottom of the raised bed still will be the rock

3- Can I buy a huge pot and keep it there forever ?anyone has even done this for a long time?

Thanks for any input

Mohsen

Whoa!

that thing is GORGEOUS!

I'd stand in the front yard and gloat at passing motorists!

Try to put it in the ground. They will take long term potting, but their full glorious [expletive] glory is in the ground, good soil plenty of water.

Give it at least half a day's sun. In a few more years, you'll have a plant like mine, and I promise all eyes will be delighted!

[Mohsen]

3 minutes ago, DoomsDave said:

Whoa!

that thing is GORGEOUS!

I'd stand in the front yard and gloat at passing motorists!

Try to put it in the ground. They will take long term potting, but their full glorious [expletive] glory is in the ground, good soil plenty of water.

Give it at least half a day's sun. In a few more years, you'll have a plant like mine, and I promise all eyes will be delighted!

Thanks Dave

1- How often you would water while it is in the 100 l bag ? it has at least 8 hours full sun

2- What type of soil it prefers?

3- is this two palms or they can have multi trunk?

4- and please post the photo of yours

[RedRabbit]

22 minutes ago, Mohsen said:

 

 

 

Thanks guys for the nice complements   

But any idea about my questions ? I am worry it cant be left like this in the bag forever  

Honestly no... In my climate it does fine in full sun and I don't water it often, it gets enough water from the rain. I hear it is a different story out in CA. I'm not familiar enough with your climate to answer unfortunately.

[DoomsDave]

3 minutes ago, Mohsen said:

Thanks Dave

1- How often you would water while it is in the 100 l bag ? it has at least 8 hours full sun every other day; one good way to check is to give it a good drink, let the extra water drain out, nudge it with with your toe; that will give you an idea of well-watered weight; when it gets light, give it a drink, but, if in doubt, give it a drunk

2- What type of soil it prefers? Iv'e got clay with lots of amendments in it, which they seem to love. Holds water which they also love.

3- is this two palms or they can have multi trunk? Two plants, I'd leave them together

4- and please post the photo of yours will do, though it's dark now

Note above

[DoomsDave]

2 minutes ago, RedRabbit said:

Honestly no... In my climate it does fine in full sun and I don't water it often, it gets enough water from the rain. I hear it is a different story out in CA. I'm not familiar enough with your climate to answer unfortunately.

Rain! Rhymes with pain, eye strain . . .

Give it to me anyway.

URK

[PalmTreeDude]

Ok now this thread is just making me want one of these... 

[Hammer]

1 hour ago, DoomsDave said:

Note above

Dave is right...my experience is they love water.  

[Mohsen]

3 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

Note above

Thanks Dave

will be waiting for the photo if yours ...

another 2 questions for you now  

1-how long do I have time to get it out of the bag in your opinion ?

2- did it grow from seed in the bag ( smaller pot)  or just dug from ground and place in the bag recently ?

[Tyrone]

Great find Mohsen. Yes these do take full sun. They love humus rich soil, and in warm weather if you keep the water and nutrients up to them they are fast. I have two big flowering ones in my Perth garden  and I can't grow them down here. Well maybe but not in the same way. They have a high potassium need in hot dry weather especially.

This is probably my favourite species of palm.

In the bag you can water it every day. It will love that. If you get over 35C water it twice a day. Over 40C 3 times a day. They do much better in the ground of course.

[Pedro 65]

Mohsen, I cant see any problems filling the hole to the top  with the best available potting mix and placing your Lepto on top and then  mounding  around it\ with  how ever many bags of P/mix are needed then heavily mulching to stop soil runoff  when you water it and place large rocks around your mound.. Why fill the hole to the top, simple coz it will fill with water.  Pretty simple n easy solution so you can get yr Lepto "Inground"..    Pete

[DoomsDave]

15 hours ago, Tyrone said:

Great find Mohsen. Yes these do take full sun. They love humus rich soil, and in warm weather if you keep the water and nutrients up to them they are fast. I have two big flowering ones in my Perth garden  and I can't grow them down here. Well maybe but not in the same way. They have a high potassium need in hot dry weather especially.

This is probably my favourite species of palm.

In the bag you can water it every day. It will love that. If you get over 35C water it twice a day. Over 40C 3 times a day. They do much better in the ground of course.

Mohsen, follow Tyrone's advice, even though he can't grow them . . . .

 

[DoomsDave]

Here are three of my biggest ones, they're all about 15 feet (5 M) tall, with about 8 feet (2.66 M) of clear trunk.

They're too tall to get all at once, so

[topwater]

 

Omg, the white internodes with the fuzzy brown crownshaft, no palm quite like it, one of my favorites for sure.  Dave's are stupendous. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mohsen]

3 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

Here are three of my biggest ones, they're all about 15 feet (5 M) tall, with about 8 feet (2.66 M) of clear trunk.

They're too tall to get all at once, so

They are truly magnificent Dave...

I think there is no way mine becomes like them unless they go in ground and not even the raised bed garden  

[Mohsen]

19 hours ago, Pedro 65 said:

Mohsen, I cant see any problems filling the hole to the top  with the best available potting mix and placing your Lepto on top and then  mounding  around it\ with  how ever many bags of P/mix are needed then heavily mulching to stop soil runoff  when you water it and place large rocks around your mound.. Why fill the hole to the top, simple coz it will fill with water.  Pretty simple n easy solution so you can get yr Lepto "Inground"..    Pete

Thanks Pedro

I am more worry about the drainage, I had similar location in my property and I plant a Ravenea rivularis as I know they love water and dont care if there is bad drainage but I am not sure if Lepta could be happy in poor drainage ?

[Pedro 65]

27 minutes ago, Mohsen said:

Thanks Pedro

I am more worry about the drainage, I had similar location in my property and I plant a Ravenea rivularis as I know they love water and dont care if there is bad drainage but I am not sure if Lepta could be happy in poor drainage ?

Mohsen, no Bullshit, you could cut open the 100ltr bag and place it "ontop" of the  pure rock beside the hole and mound the sides, and when you add 10" plus" bags of the "Best" potting mix (( 65 ltr bags) plus sand, and 5 bags of compost ( 65ltr)  and   add some big rocks in there and of course around the mound as I said above and it will profusely send its roots sideways and bite onto the surface of the rock...

Leptos are no different to Archos the way the send the "Bulk" of there roots sideways not deep down, 100ltrs is a Big heavy bag, you prob wont even have to tie it, tie it if need be or just add heavy rocks ontop.

"Trust me" . all will be good and a Piece of cake to get her out of that bag inground, even if she is on pure rock, I bet when you cut open the bag roots will be encircling itself looking for an escape "sideways"..     Pete

 

[Pedro 65]

6 hours ago, Mohsen said:

Thanks Pedro

I am more worry about the drainage, I had similar location in my property and I plant a Ravenea rivularis as I know they love water and dont care if there is bad drainage but I am not sure if Lepta could be happy in poor drainage ?

Mohsen, no Bullshit, you could cut open the 100ltr bag and place it "ontop" of the  pure rock beside the hole and mound the sides, and when you add 10 plus bags of the "Best" potting mix (( 65 ltr bags) plus sand, and 4 bags of compost ( 65ltr)  and   add some big rocks in there and of course around the mound as I said above and it will be home n hose.

Leptos are no different to Archos the way the send the "Bulk" of there roots sideways not deep down, 100ltrs is a Big heavy bag, you prob wont even have to tie it, tie it if need be or just add heavy rocks ontop of the .

 

New reply......  Mohsen, most of the big Islanders are planting on near pure rock/lava....       Pete

[Palms4Steve]

Wow Mohsen that's a great size. Did you get it from palmland?

I wouldn't leave it in the bag. Plant it.  Lots of my palms are planted over large rock shelves here. 

[Tyrone]

10 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

Here are three of my biggest ones, they're all about 15 feet (5 M) tall, with about 8 feet (2.66 M) of clear trunk.

They're too tall to get all at once, so

 

 

Its scenes like this that makes me get all emotional. 

[Pedro 65]

Mohsen, are you a guy that   "sits on the fence" ?  I think so. Time to get into action Mo and make your mind up.

You have NO decisions to make, as the Nike add says  "JUST DO IT"      Pete

[Mohsen]

On 9/12/2016, 8:00:50, Palms4Steve said:

Wow Mohsen that's a great size. Did you get it from palmland?

I wouldn't leave it in the bag. Plant it.  Lots of my palms are planted over large rock shelves here. 

Hi Steve

Are you come back from Hawaii?

yes, it was one of 2 in palmland
 

On 9/12/2016, 7:32:42, Pedro 65 said:

Mohsen, no Bullshit, you could cut open the 100ltr bag and place it "ontop" of the  pure rock beside the hole and mound the sides, and when you add 10 plus bags of the "Best" potting mix (( 65 ltr bags) plus sand, and 4 bags of compost ( 65ltr)  and   add some big rocks in there and of course around the mound as I said above and it will be home n hose.

Leptos are no different to Archos the way the send the "Bulk" of there roots sideways not deep down, 100ltrs is a Big heavy bag, you prob wont even have to tie it, tie it if need be or just add heavy rocks ontop of the .

 

New reply......  Mohsen, most of the big Islanders are planting on near pure rock/lava....       Pete

thanks Pedro

still I am not comfortable doing that

the thing I cant understand is that when you plant over large rock shelves, what would be the drainage...

For instance, where I want to plant it ( and we hit the rock), water would stay there for days and only would be gone by vaporisation , so if I plant it over the rock, the roots will be sit in still water ...wouldn't that harm most of palms ? what I am missing here?

I am thinking somewhere else if possible, I have 2 option which would get all day full sun...I believe that should be OK as it is on all day full sun in bag anyway

[Palms4Steve]

Hi Mohsen. Yes back from Hawaii.  

[Pedro 65]

9 hours ago, Mohsen said:

Hi Steve

Are you come back from Hawaii?

yes, it was one of 2 in palmland
 

thanks Pedro

still I am not comfortable doing that

the thing I cant understand is that when you plant over large rock shelves, what would be the drainage...

For instance, where I want to plant it ( and we hit the rock), water would stay there for days and only would be gone by vaporisation , so if I plant it over the rock, the roots will be sit in still water ...wouldn't that harm most of palms ? what I am missing here?

I am thinking somewhere else if possible, I have 2 option which would get all day full sun...I believe that should be OK as it is on all day full sun in bag anyway

Mohsen, get off the fence and plant it, a bit of water 2 ft down for a few days isnt gonna hurt it plus all the soil n compost woud soak it up not to mention the Lepto....   "Just Do It"      If you are SO worried about drainage put     rocks     ontop of  the rock shelf then add some pot mix and sit your Lepto ontop and then build your mound..Too easy..

[Mohsen]

On 15 September 2016 at 8:56:49 AM, Pedro 65 said:

Mohsen, get off the fence and plant it, a bit of water 2 ft down for a few days isnt gonna hurt it plus all the soil n compost woud soak it up not to mention the Lepto....   "Just Do It"      If you are SO worried about drainage put     rocks     ontop of  the rock shelf then add some pot mix and sit your Lepto ontop and then build your mound..Too easy..

Thanks Pedro :)

[Pedro 65]

8 hours ago, Mohsen said:

Thanks Pedro :)

No worries, we all need a kick up the butt sometimes to gets us movn, look fwd to your planting pics.    Pete

[Rafael]

Excelent choice Mohsen!

But be aware, they are frost sensitive.

[Mohsen]

4 hours ago, Rafael said:

Excelent choice Mohsen!

But be aware, they are frost sensitive.

Thanks Rafael

I have heard and hope that could tolerate a light frost?? at least they are not as frost sensitive as D. Laselliana?

[RedRabbit]

3 hours ago, Mohsen said:

Thanks Rafael

I have heard and hope that could tolerate a light frost?? at least they are not as frost sensitive as D. Laselliana?

I'm kind of wondering the same thing. I've heard they're pretty sensitive to frost, but they put out fronds so fast I don't think they've got too much trouble growing out of it. I'm tempted to say they're slightly less hardy than foxtails overall.  

[Rafael]

On 17/09/2016, 14:49:10, Mohsen said:

Thanks Rafael

I have heard and hope that could tolerate a light frost?? at least they are not as frost sensitive as D. Laselliana?

Thats true indeed...

[Mohsen]

find this location better and don't hit rock yet at least not as bad as the other location, will plant the D.Lepto there...BTW as they are two plants, are they going to bend and curved like Archontophoenix?

[Palms4Steve]

Hi Mohsen. That soil looks good. I presume that they would curve, but i don't think I have ever seen a double planted.