what state (east coast) do palms dissapear?

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

answer the poll please

[Cocoa Beach Jason]

I guessed Maryland but don't know. I would think maybe there is some tough sable somewhere on a beach in southeast VA? 

[PalmTreeDude]

  On 9/8/2016 at 8:58 AM, Cocoa Beach Jason said:

I guessed Maryland but don't know. I would think maybe there is some tough sable somewhere on a beach in southeast VA? 

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I can, almost, garnetee that there is at least one small pocket of Sabal minor growing somewhere in South East Virginia naturally, some native range maps include Sabal minor in Virginia and there are a few documents about it that also state that Sabal minor grow in South East Virginia. Sabal minor do perfectly fine down to zone 6b, south east Virginia is 7b and 8a.

Edited September 8, 2016 by PalmTreeDude
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[Mr.SamuraiSword]

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  On 9/8/2016 at 8:58 AM, Cocoa Beach Jason said:

I guessed Maryland but don't know. I would think maybe there is some tough sable somewhere on a beach in southeast VA? 

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here are the some of the most northern wild sabal palmetto near virginia beach.

[cm05]

I'm almost certain that Virginia Beach is the northernmost east coast city with palms. Sure they exist further northward, but they aren't a common sight like they are in the Virginia Beach area.

[PalmTreeDude]

  On 9/8/2016 at 10:58 PM, cm05 said:

I'm almost certain that Virginia Beach is the northernmost east coast city with palms. Sure they exist further northward, but they aren't a common sight like they are in the Virginia Beach area.

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Once you get out of Virginia Beach, all the way to about Richmond, maybe a little bit lower, palms are "semi - common." 

[Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax)]

The operative word is "disappear".  I think their are palmophiles growin them even in coastal CT.  Of course, one would have little chance of encountering a Palm there without an invitation.

[RedRabbit]

Driving on I-95 the climate changes the most in NC. 

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

  On 9/9/2016 at 12:13 AM, Keith in SoJax said:

The operative word is "disappear".  I think their are palmophiles growin them even in coastal CT.  Of course, one would have little chance of encountering a Palm there without an invitation.

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I will be planting a Trachycarpus Fortunii in the border of 7b and 6a in hebron connecticut.  wish me luck!

[Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax)]

  On 9/9/2016 at 12:26 AM, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

I will be planting a Trachycarpus Fortunii in the border of 7b and 6a in hebron connecticut.  wish me luck!

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  On 9/9/2016 at 12:26 AM, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

I will be planting a Trachycarpus Fortunii in the border of 7b and 6a in hebron connecticut.  wish me luck!

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Good Luck.  I always enjoy the success of zone pushers.

[PalmTreeDude]

  On 9/9/2016 at 12:26 AM, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

I will be planting a Trachycarpus Fortunii in the border of 7b and 6a in hebron connecticut.  wish me luck!

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Good luck from me too! I would keep them in an area that gets shelter from wind and that gets a good amount of sun. 

[cm05]

  On 9/8/2016 at 11:07 PM, PalmTreeDude said:

Once you get out of Virginia Beach, all the way to about Richmond, maybe a little bit lower, palms are "semi - common." 

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I've only ever seen palms from Williamsburg and on towards Virginia Beach. But I believe you.

[Dave-Vero]

Weakley's online flora of the southeast provides information that Sabal palmetto was native to Cape Hatteras but was extirpated for its salad.  It's perhaps time to take some bags of seeds and young plants for friends up there.  

[PalmTreeDude]

  On 9/9/2016 at 8:51 PM, cm05 said:

I've only ever seen palms from Williamsburg and on towards Virginia Beach. But I believe you.

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In my area it is Windmill galore, in neighborhoods, I only saw a few publicaly planted. Also a few Butias publicaly planted.

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

  On 9/10/2016 at 12:31 AM, Dave-Vero said:

Weakley's online flora of the southeast provides information that Sabal palmetto was native to Cape Hatteras but was extirpated for its salad.  It's perhaps time to take some bags of seeds and young plants for friends up there.  

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they should plant maybe 20-30 adults there to seed and grow!

[PalmatierMeg]

I'm going to assume, rightly I believe, the poll refers to populations of native palms. All others were introduced by man and survive an east coast winter only through his protection. I know Sabals minor & palmetto exist in the Outer Banks/Hatteras. Certainly, Virginia Beach is not much further north. Both habitats have winters moderated by proximity to the Atlantic. I've seen Trachycarpus offered at Metro Washington plant nurseries but I suspect they are novelty items. I know of Rhapidophyllum hystrix growing at a home in Bowie, MD but it was planted by the homeowner. Rhapidophyllum is a relict species native to the southeastern US, esp. north & central FL. Its population is probably shrinking, not expanding 1,000 miles to MD. I don't believe Sabal palmetto can survive winters beyond the seashore of southern VA or NC. Sabal minor might make it in the Washington, DC area. I gave a S. minor to my sister-in-law in Raleigh, NC. She planted it in her back yard under the trees. It survives but grows very slowly. Before that I gave her a needle palm, which she also planted. But I didn't know she has a habit of digging up her Japanese maples to move them around. She did the same to the needle palm and killed it. I cautioned her not to move the Sabal once she planted it..

[DCA_Palm_Fan]

I also say Virginia, when referring to the area where publicly seeing palms growing well year round.   Most places north of there you'll need to see them in private collections / yards.  

   I have some family and friends down in Va Beach and it is common to see Sabal Palmetto, Sabal Minor,  Windmil, Butia, and needle palms are easily publicly encountered all over the entire southeastern VA area.   Most Sabal palmettos are planted by residents, businesses or the cities / local governments. However there are some wild ones near the coast south a Va Beach near sandridge.  S minor is also native to that area.   The rest are all planted.  

Being from DC I think that I have an excellent idea of what will work there.  I've had lots of experience with it.  

Windmills. needles and S minor all do well in the DC area, though sometimes windmills and s minor need some protection.  Needle palms are  bullet proof in the DC area.  It's a solid zone 7b inside the beltway ans very easy to find 8a microclimates.   I planted a Sabal minor at a house I lived in in old town Alexandria va back in 09.  It's still here and doing great the last time I saw it about 1.5 years ago.  It is in the south east corner of a large house.  

 

[climate change virginia]

there are a few needles and minors near me some people have trachies but canna lilies and musa basjoo are far more popular 

[palmsOrl]

I voted Maryland.  There are tons of palms in Virginia Beach (in the State of Virginia of course) but from what I have read and from pictures (I have only been to northwestern MD) I gather that palms are not common anywhere in Maryland, though there are a few here and there in the warmest spots.

[PalmTreeDude]

Let me update my old comments from 2016 when I was just really starting to get into palm growing and when I was younger. I would definitely say Virginia Beach is the last place on the east coast where palms are really common, I don’t know what I meant by “semi-common to Richmond,” it’s more like you’ll probably see one or two around if you really look out for them. Such as this one (that I posted before on another thread) which is close to me. There used to be a nursery that sold a lot of windmills with a few feet of trunk every spring and summer many years ago, I think that’s where I got “windmill galore” from, I also think this palm in the picture may have been from one of those. There’s a house that is even farther that has a few too. I have seen Butias planted at restaurants in the past but they didn’t survive many winters. 

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

  On 2/9/2021 at 9:55 PM, PalmTreeDude said:

Let me update my old comments from 2016 when I was just really starting to get into palm growing and when I was younger. I would definitely say Virginia Beach is the last place on the east coast where palms are really common, I don’t know what I meant by “semi-common to Richmond,” it’s more like you’ll probably see one or two around if you really look out for them. Such as this one (that I posted before on another thread) which is close to me. There used to be a nursery that sold a lot of windmills with a few feet of trunk every spring and summer many years ago, I think that’s where I got “windmill galore” from, I also think this palm in the picture may have been from one of those. There’s a house that is even farther that has a few too. I have seen Butias planted at restaurants in the past but they didn’t survive many winters. 

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There's a Mexican restaurant in Richmond with like 10 adult windmills, they used to have like 6 hurricane cut sabals mixed in but after like 7 winters they eventually all died.  The windmills took off though. I might add after VA beach i would include Cape Charles as there are palms on most every street though mostly windmills minor and Needles