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White Areca?

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Can we believe the color will last when the seedling grows? 

A new Areca catechu 'Albissima'?

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This Areca catechu germinated spontaneously in the village next door garden

 

 

 

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Philippe

 

Jungle Paradise in Sri Lanka

 

I see this is the curious but sadly ephemeral Areca defunctia.

Chlorophyll. Amazing stuff. Kind of a must for non parasitic higher plants. Sometimes albino seedlings will push a partially variegated leaf or two to prolongue their existence until they revert to albinism and give up the ghost.

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9 minutes ago, stone jaguar said:

I see this is the curious but sadly ephemeral Areca defunctia.

Chlorophyll. Amazing stuff. Kind of a must for non parasitic higher plants. Sometimes albino seedlings will push a partially variegated leaf or two to prolongue their existence until they revert to albinism and give up the ghost.

Not even a chance it becomes like Adonidia merrillii 'Yellow'?

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Philippe

 

Jungle Paradise in Sri Lanka

 

6 hours ago, doranakandawatta said:

Can we believe the color will last when the seedling grows? 

A new Areca catechu 'Albissima'?

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This Areca catechu germinated spontaneously in the village next door garden

 

 

 

Is that growing within and old stump? 

Anything is possible, but "no", not really.

I grew a partially achlorophyllous bird of paradise (Strelitzia) seedling that was a very pale silvery gray color for many years. There is a term for this condition, but I've forgotten it. Obviously, some photosynthetic capability but very low. It was still in a 15 cm pot when its siblings had long since been planted out and flowered. If you sow enough seed of any plant family, you'll generally germinate a few albinos. They last as long as the food reserves in their seed. If you search this forum, you will find images of albino Chamaedorea nubium seedlings that I posted some time back. Very pretty, but died a couple months later as these plants invariably do.

It is rather common for albo-variegated bromeliads and agaves to push albino offsets alongside normal colored and variegated pups. if they start early, these pups will grow to full size if left on the mother plant, but I've never had one flower. I imagine that this may occur in variegated rhaphis as well.

Cheers,

J

I see this trait happen in a lot in my community pots. I never have had one survive past 2-3 leaves :(

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

7 hours ago, stone jaguar said:

Anything is possible, but "no", not really.

I grew a partially achlorophyllous bird of paradise (Strelitzia) seedling that was a very pale silvery gray color for many years. There is a term for this condition, but I've forgotten it. Obviously, some photosynthetic capability but very low. It was still in a 15 cm pot when its siblings had long since been planted out and flowered. If you sow enough seed of any plant family, you'll generally germinate a few albinos. They last as long as the food reserves in their seed. If you search this forum, you will find images of albino Chamaedorea nubium seedlings that I posted some time back. Very pretty, but died a couple months later as these plants invariably do.

It is rather common for albo-variegated bromeliads and agaves to push albino offsets alongside normal colored and variegated pups. if they start early, these pups will grow to full size if left on the mother plant, but I've never had one flower. I imagine that this may occur in variegated rhaphis as well.

Cheers,

J

Heres the "Word" your after Jay..  Arden told me 1 of my Maculata's was an albino, but its already died, Im not into variegated palms, an Albino would be weird, it couldnt handle any sun for staters, Philippe, the "Only" Variegated Palm I Love and you should grow a heap of  is Euterpe  precatoria , wish they where cold hardy..   Pete

 

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Sorry to hear you lost one of your maculata. Have a number here that germinated earlier in the year. Hopefully this sp will be less tricky as seedlings than mapu.

Chlorotic was not the term I was looking for. There is a specific, rather esoteric, term for achlorophylly when it is genetically stable and just barely sub-albinistic (I know many despise the use of "albino" in plants, but so it goes).

While the term does indicate reduced capacity for photosynthesis, chlorosis in the lingo of growers generally (hopefully?) refers to an ephemeral condition, such as that evident in severe N, Mg and Fe deficiencies.

The albinistic BOP mentioned earlier was indeed incredibly sensitive to high light levels even under shade cloth, particularly those times it threw an almost pure white leaf. I was also burning the leaf tips every couple of years with higher than normal N feed to try and green it just a bit. The seed came out of Kirstenbosch NBG and that batch of 'Mandela's Gold' seed also produced a gorgeous aureo-variegated leaf plant that is quite vigorous. Since Kirstenbosch produces this commercial material from controlled crosses every year, I would guess others have seen the condition as well.

I have had a couple albo-variegated chamaedoreas over the years but killed them all by accident. A friend in Guatemala has an extremely good variegated Chamaedorea pinnatifrons in the ground in his garden under tree canopy and it looks quite showy.

J

Pal:

Most definitely I do not. Nor do I mean albescens. The term I was looking for is (roughly) a botanical version of "leucistic". Not really that important. I'm sure my addled memory will dredge it up sometime over the next year or so.

You know, the plant was "dwarfed" and "whitish", dudes ;^)

39 minutes ago, stone jaguar said:

Pal:

Most definitely I do not. Nor do I mean albescens. The term I was looking for is (roughly) a botanical version of "leucistic". Not really that important. I'm sure my addled memory will dredge it up sometime over the next year or so.

You know, the plant was "dwarfed" and "whitish", dudes ;^)

So you mean leucism?

My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums

No. This is a term restricted to animals as far as I know. "Partially achlorophyllous" will do.

@stone jaguar Leucism in the realm of the flora is called (by some botanists) leucoflora.

My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums

Not really. Free translation would be "whitish/gray-white flower", no? We're discussing near albino-type foliage. Points for persistence, though, Pal. I understand that botanists do use "alba' and "leucos" in binomials and other related terminology. It doesn't mean that "leucistic" is a valid botanical term in the strict sense though, which was my point. However, if people want to call chlorophyll-challenged foliage "leucistic" or "albinistic", by all means be my guest :) 

Poor thing is doomed. Just yesterday I was repotting Dypsis lastelliana seedlings and found an albino one. Its one leaf was already starting to turn brown, so I tossed it.

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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These verschaffeltia splendida made it to about the 4 leaf stage before succumbing to the 'sickness'.

 

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