I was flipping through my Palms Journal Volume 60(2) June 2016, and was reading the article on the Copernicia  x dahlgreniana.  In describing other natural hybrids, it identifies Copernicia x textilis which is "postulated based on morphological data that it is a natural hybrid between C. hospita and C. baileyana".  Since I acquired and planted a pair of plants I planted this last year which were identified as a hybrid of hospita and baileyana, I thought I would do a search here for photos of Copernicia x textilis.  I came up with nothing.  Since my are small, they are slow, and I'm not the ideal climate for speedy growth here in coastal Southern California, I thought I would ask if anyone can share photos of C. x textilis  or something otherwise identified as a cross between these two species.  I've included photos, one planted in one of my front little planters and the other in a backyard planter.  I may have posted photos of one or both in other strings, but these are "new photos", as they both are now established enough to start growing with summer weather here.

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On 7/14/2016, 8:08:25, Tracy said:

can share photos of C. x textilis

 

On 7/14/2016, 8:08:25, Tracy said:

 

My Copernicia baileyana x hospita aren't the fastest palms I own, but they continue to grow.  I've recently seen a number of posts on other hybrid Copernicia palms, so thought I would bump this and ask others with this hybrid to share what their plants look like.  I'm sure there must be more of these in Florida and much older/bigger than mine.  This represents not quite 2 years growth; not much taller for the one in the front, but fuller and getting thicker.

Beautiful palms Tracy. 

On 7/14/2016 at 8:08 AM, Tracy said:

 

On 7/14/2016 at 8:08 AM, Tracy said:

 

I thought I would post an update on these after 3 1/2 years in a Southern California coastal location.  I'm sure these would be far faster in Florida, but I'm happy with their progress.

Not bad at all! I would be very happy with that growth. Shaping up to be a looker too.

I love the form of that one, looks great!  It has that chamaerops volcano shuttle cock going but with copernicia symmetry and color. Maybe adding some limestone or dolomite can increase the blue a bit.

All that growth in 3.5 years?

Well grown Tracy!

Nice grow Tracy  For a copernicia in Cali,  my guess is its trucking right along. 

On 7/14/2016 at 8:08 AM, Tracy said:

This Copernicia x textilis has gone through a bit of a growth spurt this year, so an updated photo comparing July 2016 with December 2020, or not quite 4 1/2 years.  I hope the growth rate on this is helpful for anyone considering growing this species here in California where they are not as commonly seen in gardens as Florida.

dayum Tracy!! that thing has boosted since my last visit.

On 7/14/2016 at 8:08 AM, Tracy said:

This is a photo of the "larger" one as originally planted, which has been struggling with some sort of infection.

 

So this one in my backyard has really struggled coming out of winter the last few years.  I'm not sure what is going on with it.  I tried using Imidacloprid as well as an anti-fungal in the crown.  I routinely go out with a spray bottle of Daconil every couple of weeks and spray the most interior leaves so that it runs down into the crown but as you can see, in the middle shot below, something is damaging the leaves.  Meanwhile the one in the front looks flawless and is now significantly taller than this one.  This one is about chest high and the tips of the emerging fronds on the one in front are a little taller than I am now. 

If I can't shake this problem, I may consider removing it.  The spot is in prime real estate in one of my backyard planters.

Compare above with performance of the one in front.  I want both of them to look like this!

copernicias can be finicky of soil differences, and F1 hybrids will have lots of variation including being a less robust plant.  Your healthy one looks like its trying to jump out of your garden, each new set of leaves ever larger!  I remember my bailey doing something like that.  

hang in there on the infection, keep treating.  My bailey was infected in the spear after hurricane IRMA beat it up good.  It took the better part of 3 growing seasons to get that infection out of the bud.  Looks like after this summer I may have full crown of undamaged leaves.  I was almost ready to give up then the spears started showing no infection damage.  

I have the same kind of issue with a Macroglossa hybrid from NatureGirl.  It grew great for ~2 years and this winter's 2 frosts yellowed all the tips and gave it a bit of a fungal infection.  I've given it 2 doses of Banrot (Thiophanate-Methyl + etradizole) and hydrogen peroxide in the crown.  But I haven't tried doing Daconil squirts in the crown.  It seems to be growing out of it, the new spear only has a little bit of brown on the outer sheath and the inner leaves look pretty good.  I also need to give it some lime per Tom's recommendation on an earlier thread.

Mine took a bit to start pushing out some good looking leaves the first  year it actually ended up with really nasty fungus in the crown . Thought it was a goner . My wife bought me this from George Sparkman it looks like a completely different plant now lost about half its height in my full sun . I believe it was growing under heavy shade cloth from what my wife said . ive been hitting it hard for the last year with sulpomag and hydrated lime . Doing much better now 

Copernicia gigas on the other hand does great always no matter what 

On 7/29/2021 at 7:01 AM, Tracy said:

I want both of them to look like this!

As winter comes to an end, I've been noticing some yellowing of the leaves, including some that are not the oldest.  I decided that temps should be starting to warm, so decided to add a little calcium nitrate fertilizer.  My friend George Sparkman recommended using the Ca(NO₃)₂  in my soil for the Cuban varieties and is seems to have worked well in the past.  Hoping to see some good results come summer.

9 hours ago, Billy said:

I love the form it has. Where did you get this palm? I'd love to add one to my front yard.

Sadly the pipeline for almost all my Cuban species has been cut short.  George Sparkman was bringing them from Florida growing areas in sizes from 5 to 15 gallons for a few years.  This spring it will be 2 years since he passed; a sad day.  His wife, Gisela, was clearing out some remaining items, including some palms listed in the for sale section of this forum late last year and into January.  I don't think she has had any Copernicia's for a while.  Smaller specimens can still probably be accessed locally but these are all pretty slow in our climate, so getting the biggest you can find helps.

Beautiful palms, and nice acacia cognata dwarf-I've killed 3 and have given up-what's your secret?

1 hour ago, Peter said:

Beautiful palms, and nice acacia cognata dwarf-I've killed 3 and have given up-what's your secret?

The Acacia cognata "Cousin It" or dwarf doesn't like fertilizer.  I can't remember whether it is the Nitrogen, Phosphorus or Potassium that causes them to brown.  I like their look, but the leaflets are very sticky if you step on them they track everywhere.  Nasty in dogs throats as well.  My dog tried chewing on it in lieu of grass since we don't have any grass in the yard.  She ends up doing a lot of coughing trying to get the little sticky leaflets out when she gets into them.  We also prune them back frequently to thin out all the dead underneath as they shed a lot.

On 3/6/2022 at 8:43 PM, Tracy said:

As winter comes to an end, I've been noticing some yellowing of the leaves, including some that are not the oldest.  I decided that temps should be starting to warm, so decided to add a little calcium nitrate fertilizer.  My friend George Sparkman recommended using the Ca(NO₃)₂  in my soil for the Cuban varieties and is seems to have worked well in the past.  Hoping to see some good results come summer.

Unfortunately, the healthier and larger specimen in my front yard seems to have succumbed to a similar condition that I experienced with the one in the back yard.  I treated it a couple of times for both insects and for fungus and it appears that after pushing out some very brittle brown leaves, I'm getting some that are at least partially green.  I used the same treatment on the one in the back which pushed out normal green leaves over the summer.  It's a bit of a role reversal, and I can only guess at what the problem is for now.  Second photo shows some older yellow leaves that date back to when the one in the back had problems and the new upper leaves showing healthy.

Here’s mine from Sparkman . Grows and always holding new spears had bud rot few years back grew out of that no problem . But they Definetly don’t appreciate the wind tears the fronds to hell On mine . This was tagged Baileyana 

On 9/16/2022 at 4:38 PM, Tracy said:

Unfortunately, the healthier and larger specimen in my front yard seems to have succumbed to a similar condition that I experienced with the one in the back yard.  I treated it a couple of times for both insects and for fungus and it appears that after pushing out some very brittle brown leaves, I'm getting some that are at least partially green.  I used the same treatment on the one in the back which pushed out normal green leaves over the summer.  It's a bit of a role reversal, and I can only guess at what the problem is for now.  Second photo shows some older yellow leaves that date back to when the one in the back had problems and the new upper leaves showing healthy.

I'm hoping that what I am seeing is the first step toward recovery.  Some stunted leaves pushing, but at least they aren't completely brown and damaged.  Perhaps I will even see some normal looking leaves push out next summer.  Until then it's going to be a bit ugly as the previously healthy leaves are being depleted of nutrients as this tries to grow back.  The one in my backyard recovered from a similar condition, so there is hope.

It is getting uglier as the days pass, but I guess I knew that this would happen before it potentially starts turning the corner.  I am looking forward to the cool and wet conditions to subside.  Another dose of hydrogen peroxide and some fungicide will be in order, but waiting for perhaps one of the colder nights of the year here to pass tonight first.

Sorry to see this Tracy. Let's hope by the spring, you start to see some new strong growth.

The one in back which appeared to be recovering received same treatment last spring as a prevention.   Seeing problems again with emerging leaves though.  To me, this looks like something eating it though.  Will hit it with Imidacloprid, the systemic insecticide.   No sight of any larvae or insects, only the damage shown.