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Show me your Arenga engleri plantings!

Missi

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Missi Grand Master

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I have two 3 gallon Arenga engleri I've been raising for a few years since they were small seedlings. I'd like to put them in the ground now. I can't decide where they'd look best. I think I prefer the look of them grown in some shade, reaching and greener, rather than the squat, tightly growing specimens grown in full sun. Please share photos of how you've planted your dwarf sugar palms. I'm open to stories and advice too :interesting:

Naples (inland), FL - technically 10a but more like 9b in the winter :hmm:

Ed in Houston Proficient

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Here is mine when it was about 15 years old grown in filtered shade.

http://www.egrafton.com/engera.jpg

Ed in Houston

 

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7 years? From seed. Was languishing in a pot for the first 4 .... in pure beach sand now. Doing ok regardless of the beachy conditions.

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David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

Riddler Contributor

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Here are photos of mine taken at Christmas (2015) when it was flowering. It's in the shade but gets some filtered sunlight.

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steve99 Mentor

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Here's mine which was planted in early 1998.   They are one very tough palm.   

 

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Missi Grand Master

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12 hours ago, Ed in Houston said:

Here is mine when it was about 15 years old grown in filtered shade.

http://www.egrafton.com/engera.jpg

Ed in Houston

 

Ed, I don't see a pic! ...but I'd love to!

Naples (inland), FL - technically 10a but more like 9b in the winter :hmm:

Missi Grand Master

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Anyone else have landscape pics of their Arenga engleri in-ground?

Naples (inland), FL - technically 10a but more like 9b in the winter :hmm:

DoomsDave Grand Master

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I've got both a short and a tall form, side-by-side; will take pictures when I get home from the Dark Tower.

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Here you go.

 

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DoomsDave Grand Master

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Jim, a nice short form!

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20 hours ago, Ed in Houston said:

Here is mine when it was about 15 years old grown in filtered shade.

http://www.egrafton.com/engera.jpg

Ed in Houston

 

8 hours ago, Missi said:

Ed, I don't see a pic! ...but I'd love to!

The server that the image was hosted on was down for a while but looks to be back up now

Ed in Houston

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I was just talking about these to someone this past week...   A good clumping cold tolerant palm for my area...  Beats the everyday luties I see, if you askme...   Heres one of mine thats around five to seven years old from a 7gal:

 

C. alba in front of it

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Brandon, FL

27.95°N 82.28°W (Elev. 62 ft)

Zone9 w/ canopy

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10 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

Jim, a nice short form!

Thanks Dave!

DoomsDave Grand Master

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My specimens photograph VERY poorly.

But they block out ugly views.

The first picture is the short form, and it needs some grooming badly.

The second is the tall form, which is nevertheless a good deal shorter than the Chinese Kung Fu Suicide Elm right next to it.

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But they block the uglier view of my neighbor's rock roof.

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Which is why I planted this little baby.

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Dave, have you observed whether short form produces also smaller fruits than big form? Or is size of fruit relevant only to the distinction of A ryukyuensis?

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Missi Grand Master

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20 hours ago, Palm Tree Jim said:

Here you go.

 

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Wow...what a stunning specimen! You keep it trimmed up nicely, love the clean look, and I love it's little bromeliad friends all around :wub: Wait, so the "short version", that's a thing? I thought they were short because they're grown in sun but taller when grown in shade?

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Naples (inland), FL - technically 10a but more like 9b in the winter :hmm:

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Disregard. 

Naples (inland), FL - technically 10a but more like 9b in the winter :hmm:

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10 hours ago, Palmə häl′ik said:

I was just talking about these to someone this past week...   A good clumping cold tolerant palm for my area...  Beats the everyday luties I see, if you askme...   Heres one of mine thats around five to seven years old from a 7gal:

 

C. alba in front of it

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Gorgeous! I wish I had some nice mature trees to plant mine under :crying:

Naples (inland), FL - technically 10a but more like 9b in the winter :hmm:

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5 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

Dave, have you observed whether short form produces also smaller fruits than big form? Or is size of fruit relevant only to the distinction of A ryukyuensis?

No, but I'll find out soon, I think. Tall type has bloomed though fruits aborted, it appears.

Have to go an look .

 

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5 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

Dave, have you observed whether short form produces also smaller fruits than big form? Or is size of fruit relevant only to the distinction of A ryukyuensis?

Here are some fruits and three seeds (only one cleaned) of A. engleri var. ryukyuensis from habitat on Okinawa island; the size of the admission ticket is 54×136 mm. — Only the Arenga palms which grow on Iriomote island are called in Japanese »small fruit (komi) kurotsugu«, the other ones only kurotsugu.

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ITAI!

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41 minutes ago, Pal Meir said:

Why? Dooshite? :huh:

Joking!

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A word about the grooming:

My shorty has bloomed and fruited a number of times. Each time it does that stem dies back, and turns brown. New ones keep growing. Eventually, after about 30 years, the palm loses vigor and needs to be replaced. (More brown than green.)

The best tool to use to cut out the dead stuff is a "Sawzall"; guess I'll have to get one of those to add to my collection of tools! ;)

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I know there are more Arenga engleris out there! Show them, please!! Here are mine two waiting for their mama to get some inspiration :wub::lol:

 

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Naples (inland), FL - technically 10a but more like 9b in the winter :hmm:

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Anyone know if the 20g ones from Bluebell Nursery are short or long version?  I was hoping for something to create a hedge between 2 houses.

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On 4/10/2016, 7:01:38, Ed in Houston said:

Here is mine when it was about 15 years old grown in filtered shade.

http://www.egrafton.com/engera.jpg

Ed in Houston

 

Nice! How well did it perform during the freezes a few years ago? 

Jonathan

Katy, TX (Zone 9a)

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10 hours ago, mcjdawg said:

Anyone know if the 20g ones from Bluebell Nursery are short or long version?  I was hoping for something to create a hedge between 2 houses.

Good question.

The tall kind will make a good hedge, though the shorties are im-[expletive]-penetrable.

Best thing to do is go look. Tall ones definitely have a more upright habit, like the one in my (admittedly bad) picture.

Give them plenty of sidewise room, at least 6 feet. Those leaves are coarse and nasty to bump into, though the flowers will take you to olfactory heaven.

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11 hours ago, Xenon said:

Nice! How well did it perform during the freezes a few years ago? 

I had zero damage to this palm when it was in the low 20s a few years ago. It is pretty much care free when established in Houston with no watering or fertilizer needed in the clay soil and with average rainfall of 50 inches a year.

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Put it in the ground, my tallest leaves are 8' or so. I will post a pic when a can for a more definitive answer 

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Here's mine. Care free and healthy in Melbourne, although quite slow growing. This one was planted in about 2008 from memory and was already a good size (maybe half of what it is now). 

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Tim Brisbane

Patterson Lakes, bayside Melbourne, Australia

Rarely Frost

2005 Minimum: 2.6C,  Maximum: 44C

2005 Average: 17.2C, warmest on record.

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Here is mine, it is about 25 years old and has not flowered to dateIMG_4571.thumb.JPG.9802706e0a218c6e86773IMG_4570.thumb.JPG.af840fabf43325ef326d1

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17 hours ago, mcjdawg said:

Put it in the ground, my tallest leaves are 8' or so. I will post a pic when a can for a more definitive answer 

Come to La Habra and see some in action, in the flesh.

PM me if interested!

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On April 11, 2016 at 8:20:38 PM, Palmə häl′ik said:

I was just talking about these to someone this past week...   A good clumping cold tolerant palm for my area...  Beats the everyday luties I see, if you askme...   Heres one of mine thats around five to seven years old from a 7gal:

 

C. alba in front of it

IMAG0687.jpg

The Arenga Engleri you gave me a couple of years ago is doing good....just about ready to be potted up, or put in a more permenant place.

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Dynamite 13.13.13 does wonders.   Mix some into tour next upsizing or repotting...   They'll take off

Brandon, FL

27.95°N 82.28°W (Elev. 62 ft)

Zone9 w/ canopy

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Here's one I planted in Jacksonville, FL back in 2005.  It was about 2' tall (60cm), if I remember right.  It was in an 8" (20 cm) pot.  The fence to the right is about 7' tall (2m).  This photo was taken in Jan 2016 so the palm has been there almost 11 years.  The site is moist to wet.  Its never been protected and the coldest temperature ever since planting is 20-22F (-6.5c).  Below 25f, the cells that just emerged from the bud are subject to freezing causing the frond to die.  But the bud itself has never been damaged and just keeps pushing out foliage.  Foliage that is already out and hardened up isn't damaged at all.  I rate this palm five stars for climates like Jacksonville.  It would make a great screen plant, and the aroma from the flowers is just fantastic.  

 

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Land O Lakes FL, a suburb on the North Side of Tampa, FL

Summers are great, 90f/32c in the day & 70f/21c at night with plentiful rain & sun

Winters are subtropical with occasional frosts and freezes. Tropical cyclones happen.

We have a few Royal palms in the warm microclimates but Coconuts freeze.

I am a Kayaker, Hiker, Bicyclist, and amateur Photographer that loves the outdoors.  

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