Here's my (double) tuerckheimii. Got them in july 2015 from Floribunda as tiny 1 leaf seedlings. I have it in a normal draining plastic pot and the white pot around it for good looks. The white pot is on a saucer continuously filled with water to get the humidity around the plant a bit higher. It seems that I have finally won the war on spider mites.

15 minutes ago, Kai said:

Looking very healthy, Pal! Did you put them in pure pinebark?

Yes, 100%. – Did you get the Grabdekor?

Kai:

You won the first battle, amigo. You never really win the war against spider mites while growing this palm indoors.

Eternal vigilance is the key ;^)

J

I let protect them by 4 strong Lytocaryum itapebiense, so they won’t be attacked by mites:

3 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

Yes, 100%. – Did you get the Grabdekor?

Not yet Pal, I hope tomorrow. And otherwise it will be after the weekend.

2 hours ago, stone jaguar said:

Kai:

You won the first battle, amigo. You never really win the war against spider mites while growing this palm indoors.

Eternal vigilance is the key ;^)

J

Yes I will keep monitoring for arachnids and once one is spotted a batallion of starship troopers will be deployed to kill some bugs on planet tuerckheimii before they set up shop.

Update with 3rd leaf completed:

On 24/6/2016, 10:15:46, Kai said:

Yes I will keep monitoring for arachnids and once one is spotted a batallion of starship troopers will be deployed to kill some bugs on planet tuerckheimii before they set up shop.

There is in the market a kind of systemic pesticide in form of paper arrows which are supposed to be stuck and buried in the soil near the growing plant...

On 24/6/2016, 6:56:39, Kai said:

Here's my (double) tuerckheimii. Got them in july 2015 from Floribunda as tiny 1 leaf seedlings. I have it in a normal draining plastic pot and the white pot around it for good looks. The white pot is on a saucer continuously filled with water to get the humidity around the plant a bit higher. It seems that I have finally won the war on spider mites.

Since the first promoting factor for mites is the lack of air moisture, you can use a deeer saucer filled with water and a brick as a podium for the pot placed in the middle of the saucer.

19 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

Since the first promoting factor for mites is the lack of air moisture, you can use a deeer saucer filled with water and a brick as a podium for the pot placed in the middle of the saucer.

I agree, when it's possible to improve the plants' health in any way, it will become less susceptible to pests and diseases. 

Maybe it's not very clear on the picture but the saucer is quite deep. It holds about 4 to 5 cm of water permanently. But I think it will be the surface area of the water that contributes more to the humidity surrounding the plant than the depth of the water. A wider bowl would be more effective than a deeper one I suspect.

1 hour ago, Kai said:

I agree, when it's possible to improve the plants' health in any way, it will become less susceptible to pests and diseases. 

Maybe it's not very clear on the picture but the saucer is quite deep. It holds about 4 to 5 cm of water permanently. But I think it will be the surface area of the water that contributes more to the humidity surrounding the plant than the depth of the water. A wider bowl would be more effective than a deeper one I suspect.

AGREE, I was just thinking with consideration of local conditions, a thin layer of water evaporates here and this time of the year quite fast 

Edited July 12, 20169 yr by Phoenikakias

@Kai Let your Tuerckheims be guarded by a giant Sabinaria baby, and all mites  will flee by themselves!

5 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

@Kai Let your Tuerckheims be guarded by a giant Sabinaria baby, and all mites  will flee by themselves!

Oh how I wish that were true. The Sabinaria doesn't seem to be susceptible to the mites and does a great job in upgrading the collection to a higher level.

I see you have succesfully repotted the Sabinaria. 100% pine bark chips I think? It looks good, maybe I wil follow and do the same.

9 hours ago, Kai said:

Oh how I wish that were true. The Sabinaria doesn't seem to be susceptible to the mites and does a great job in upgrading the collection to a higher level.

I see you have succesfully repotted the Sabinaria. 100% pine bark chips I think? It looks good, maybe I wil follow and do the same.

Not 100% pine bark, but a Seramis + pine bark mixture ca. 45:55; the reason was that the root system looked to me to weak. And there was too many soil that didn’t get dry.

Here some off-topic pics of the repotting procedure of the Sabinaria from a 15x20 cm pot into a small 12x12 cm one (at midnight 10/11 July):

Pal, is the word eophyll unique to palms? I know it means simply new leaf but can it be applied to other plants too?

Edited July 13, 20169 yr by Howeadypsis

11 minutes ago, Howeadypsis said:

Pal, is the word eophyll unique to palms? I know it means simply new leaf but can it be applied to other plants too?

Eophyll in botany: »in a seedling first leaf having a blade«; for all plants having leaves. It means »dawn leaf«, not new leaf.

Thank you for illustrating Pal! Now I'm sure my Sabinaria will get the seramis pine bark treatment! Only not at midnight because getting up in the morning hurts enough as it is.

Jay probably knows more than anyone I know about these plants, but I used to have a colony of these that had 12-18 inch stems. My mix was Canadian peat based. My well water is perfect and right around 7 pH. They don't like it when it gets hot, and it likes the shade with a little air flow. Back then, I had a lot of small Chamaedoreas and kept them together with the sulivaniorums and a few others. Someday I would love to grow some peacock colored sulivaniorums again. Anyway, back then, which is a good 20 years ago, I had propagating tables for starting cuttings which had sprayers that would spray a 5 second mist every 10 minutes. I rigged a fog head in the same manner for my little Chamaedoreas. I never had problems with insects.  Tom

On 13/07/2016, 16:57:03, Pal Meir said:

Eophyll in botany: »in a seedling first leaf having a blade«; for all plants having leaves. It means »dawn leaf«, not new leaf.

Yes Eos is the Greek god of new life.  Canon used it for their camera lens system.

Edited July 18, 20169 yr by Howeadypsis

On 13 July 2016 at 6:11:54 PM, Pal Meir said:

Not 100% pine bark, but a Seramis + pine bark mixture ca. 45:55; the reason was that the root system looked to me to weak. And there was too many soil that didn’t get dry.

Here some off-topic pics of the repotting procedure of the Sabinaria from a 15x20 cm pot into a small 12x12 cm one (at midnight 10/11 July):

Pal, where did you get Sabinaria seed? RPS?

how was the germination ? Easy? Rate?

2 minutes ago, Mohsen said:

Pal, where did you get Sabinaria seed? RPS?

how was the germination ? Easy? Rate?

I got the germinated seedling on the 1st photo in exchange for Lytocaryum itapebiense (and L insigne).

1 hour ago, Pal Meir said:

I got the germinated seedling on the 1st photo in exchange for Lytocaryum itapebiense (and L insigne).

win-win deal

Under the protection of Big Sister Sabinaria spider mites didn’t dare to attack the Tuerckheim babies:

PS: Sister Sabinaria wasn’t shocked at all by the repotting:

Update from Tuerckheim’s kindergarten, now N°1501 and 02 showing the (tip of) 4th leaf:

The sad news is N°1506 didn’t show any growth since May and finally got wilted , a result of a very weak (not fresh) seed:

Nice graphic! Palms looking good! Very interesting to see how they grow. 

1 hour ago, PalmTreeDude said:

Nice graphic! Palms looking good! Very interesting to see how they grow. 

If you should be also interested in the germination history:

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/47216-chamaedorea-tuerckheimii-germination/

Tuerckheim’s grove on a window sill with happy little palms; N°1501 is now ten months old (*2015-10-22):

The oldest Tuerckheim is almost trunking  and just enjoying a cold shower with Odenwald water:

And here are all four happy together after a cooling OWW shower; even in Germany we had the last days some hot days with temps up to 36°C/97°F.  (The brown stains on some leaves are caused by coffee; I had forgotten to dilute the second brew …)

Pal:

Your seedlings look fantastic. As a former arabica coffee grower and exporter, I played around with composted coffee pulp, brewed coffee and coffee grounds over the years as a supplemental nutrient and for pest control. I like to keep an open mind about alternatives when informed growers swear by them.  I was never very impressed by the results, but certainly did no harm. Never tried it for spider mite control, but it does look like you are suppressing them with your overall cultural regimen. Given one and two leaf seedling intolerance to some miticides, but definite susceptibility to mites, may give it a try.

Brewed coffee chemical analyses are available online for interested parties. From an admittedly shaky memory, I recall light but significant N levels and K levels plus lots of micros.

J

 

We had yesterday 32°C and even at midnight still 24°C, so I gave my Tuerckheims a refreshing shower, here the 1st one N°1501:

Now is when it starts to get a bit more challenging 

Good luck,

J

On ‎7‎/‎13‎/‎2016‎ ‎4‎:‎11‎:‎54‎, Pal Meir said:

Not 100% pine bark, but a Seramis + pine bark mixture ca. 45:55; the reason was that the root system looked to me to weak. And there was too many soil that didn’t get dry.

Here some off-topic pics of the repotting procedure of the Sabinaria from a 15x20 cm pot into a small 12x12 cm one (at midnight 10/11 July):

Pal, do you have a thread/discussion on your Sabinaria somewhere? Was changing out potting media what prompted you to repot? Great to see she does well with repotting! Also, what prompted you to tie her up? I just received my Sabinaria seedling from Floribunda and was to take as best care of her as possible  Mine arrived from Floribunda potted in a fast draining media of black lava rock and what looks to be Nutricote. There is also something coarse and organic in the media but I haven't identified it yet!

1 hour ago, Missi said:

Pal, do you have a thread/discussion on your Sabinaria somewhere? Was changing out potting media what prompted you to repot? Great to see she does well with repotting! Also, what prompted you to tie her up? I just received my Sabinaria seedling from Floribunda and was to take as best care of her as possible  Mine arrived from Floribunda potted in a fast draining media of black lava rock and what looks to be Nutricote. There is also something coarse and organic in the media but I haven't identified it yet!

There were some factors: (1) The seedling was planted too deep. (2) The pot was too big for a small seedling. (3) The soil mix was too soggy. (4) The roots were growing only on the bottom of the pot. — The rest you can see on the photos (on the bottom of the new pot is also a 1cm LECA layer). — Those old photos and newer ones are in the following threads:

The fast draining media of Floribunda are similar in effect to my mix. My recommendation for the size of a pot and the depth of the seedling you can see on my photos. Goog luck!

Happy birthday N°1501!

Fall 2016 update of my Tuerckheim’s kindergarten:

On 12 juin 2016 15:52:58, Pal Meir said:

Slender stem with strong roots:

I love these strong roots, it shows so much vitality and hope for a bright futur!

 

1 hour ago, Pal Meir said:

Fall 2016 update of my Tuerckheim’s kindergarten:

Baby 1 seems to be the strongest, it seems it has had a longer time growth but I believe they all belong to the same batch, isn't it?

 

20 minutes ago, doranakandawatta said:

Baby 1 seems to be the strongest, it seems it has had a longer time growth but I believe they all belong to the same batch, isn't it?

Here the dates of the babies’ birthdays:

N°1501: 2015-10-22 from seed #10

N°1502: 2015-11-02 from seed #6

N°1503: 2015-11-07 from the very tiny seed #7

N°1504: 2015-11-24 from seed #1