Ceroxylon parvifrons

[Plantasexoticas]

30 minutes ago, Rafael said:

Hi! One of mine just perished for some unidentified plausible reason. But the other one remains healthy. It really looks not like parvifrons. Maybe vogelanium  Richnorm was right 

Sorry to hear of the second one not doing so well, but the one in the photo looks great!! 
 

I think you may be right with the id too - Parvifrons seems overall a neater looking palm. Still I can’t imagine there are too many people growing vogelanium so you still have a wonderful palm. 
 

[richnorm]

On 1/22/2021 at 10:56 AM, Plantasexoticas said:

How are all these Ceroxylon getting on? 
 

I purchased c.Parvifrons from seed and have been growing them for a number of years, still some way off any true fronds but I do hope they are Parvifrons 

One of mine died too but the other is doing well, if slow.  I recently got a seedling what seems like real parvifrons though still not at split leaf stage it feels different to the touch. Very likely this was from the same source as you (RPS).

[Plantasexoticas]

50 minutes ago, richnorm said:

One of mine died too but the other is doing well, if slow.  I recently got a seedling what seems like real parvifrons though still not at split leaf stage it feels different to the touch. Very likely this was from the same source as you (RPS).

I’m not sure if you can tell anything from these pictures? I’ve read through that Ceroxylon report several times (challenging to understand as still learning the terminology) but either way I still hope it’s Parvifrons. 

[tim_brissy_13]

I think a couple of these from the same source supposed to be C parvifrons were planted at Melbourne University, clearly they also are different and look like the others in this thread. I seem to remember the discussion being around whether they were either vogelianum or pityrophyllum. Beautiful palms regardless and surprise they have done so well here. Deep shade seems to be the key. 

[richnorm]

I think not pityrophyllum based on side by side comparison and speed of growth in-ground though there does appear to be some variation in these (and all plants of course!).  There is an upright form of vogelianum so they could be confused if the mother plant was large and the collector didn't have a particularly keen eye.   Too soon to ID those seedlings but they look kinda stiff and are a similar vintage to the latest RPS seed.  Watch this space, we can compare notes again in a year or two. Parvifrons can be quite brown underneath when small.

[Tassie_Troy1971]

Mine look the same as yours and its definitely not parvifrons

[tim_brissy_13]

I bought a batch of C. parvifrons seed in September 2018. I was confident they’d be the real deal as this issue with early batches was already exposed. 
 

Fast forward 4-5 years and it looks like they are turning out to be C. vogelianum too (I see plumose fronds developing). I’m a tad disappointed, although I don’t have C. vogelianum in my collection and they are also a nice palm. 
 

What I’m surprised about is how this can happen for the best part of a decade? C. parvifrons has to be one of the most distinctive palms - there’s something seriously wrong with how RPS confirm the ID of collected seed. 

[Darold Petty]

How did I miss this thread seven years ago ?  

I will try to post some images of my palms soon.

[phil3]

I have supposed c. Parvifrons germinated from RPS last autumn . Can anyone here confirm this new batch is what it’s supposed to to be ?? I’ve only just seen this thread !

[Plantasexoticas]

36 minutes ago, phil3 said:

I have supposed c. Parvifrons germinated from RPS last autumn . Can anyone here confirm this new batch is what it’s supposed to to be ?? I’ve only just seen this thread !

I think I have the same batch of seeds and I’m hoping they are definitely parvifrons too. I have several germinated so guess will have to wait and see to be sure 

[richnorm]

I don't know about this current batch but a previous one from RPS a few years ago now did come true.  They are very distinctive and the leaves are thick and leathery,  a very dark green and coppery brown on the undersides.  

[tim_brissy_13]

2 hours ago, phil3 said:

I have supposed c. Parvifrons germinated from RPS last autumn . Can anyone here confirm this new batch is what it’s supposed to to be ?? I’ve only just seen this thread !

I got seed from this batch too. I contacted RPS to ask about the origin as I’ve always been on the hunt for the true species. I also asked about the 2018 batch. Their response was that previously their source from early 2000s through to 2018 was not experienced with ID and they’ve re traced the origin and confirmed these palms are C vogelianum. I still find it a bit hard to believe considering they are visible unique species but their range does overlap and C parvifrons in particular can be a bit variable. 
 

The recent batch (and I’m assuming the new batch available now on RPS) is supposedly confirmed to be true C parvifrons. They sent me this photo of a mother plant which looks to me to be the real deal and also a form with very well developed crownshaft which is desirable. 
 

After a bit over 5 months my first seed germinated. Nearly 6 months since sowing now and I’m up to 5 out of about 50 seeds. I’m hoping for and expecting more as the seed all still looks good. 
 

 

[realarch]

Interesting thread and one which I also missed. Thanks richnorm for the pdf link, outstanding!

Although a bit off topic, it seemed like a good place to post a few photos of C. alpinum. Planted out as a small seedling 15 years ago, the going has been oh so slow.  Zone pushing in reverse, but it’s still alive. 

It seems to be coming out of suspended animation and showing some obvious growth. 

Thanks for the ‘bump’, it provided a bit of inspiration.

Tim

[Foggy Paul]

Here is my parvifrons, finally speeding up a bit. 3 leaves in the past year. But a long way from trunking. 

[tim_brissy_13]

2 hours ago, Foggy Paul said:

Here is my parvifrons, finally speeding up a bit. 3 leaves in the past year. But a long way from trunking. 

Oh yeah nice I reckon that’s already showing it’s the real deal! Great looking plant even at that size. 

[Jonathan]

14 hours ago, realarch said:

Interesting thread and one which I also missed. Thanks richnorm for the pdf link, outstanding!

Although a bit off topic, it seemed like a good place to post a few photos of C. alpinum. Planted out as a small seedling 15 years ago, the going has been oh so slow.  Zone pushing in reverse, but it’s still alive. 

It seems to be coming out of suspended animation and showing some obvious growth. 

Thanks for the ‘bump’, it provided a bit of inspiration.

Tim

Fantastic Tim!

At last a species that we both have and that I might actually have an equal or dare I say, even a better chance of growing!!!

I challenge you to a duel sir!

[realarch]

19 hours ago, Jonathan said:

Fantastic Tim!

At last a species that we both have and that I might actually have an equal or dare I say, even a better chance of growing!!!

I challenge you to a duel sir!

Oh man, you are so on! We’ll need to verify any photos you post to make sure they aren’t from Columbia. 

Tim

[Jonathan]

17 hours ago, realarch said:

Oh man, you are so on! We’ll need to verify any photos you post to make sure they aren’t from Columbia. 

Tim

You sir, are a Cad and a Bounder...how very dare you question my honour?

May your Ceroxylon be consumed by Walruses!