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Ceroxylon parvifrons

Rafael

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Rafael Grand Master

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These two are growing side by side, on the top of a small hill, next to neighbour's edifice, but exposed to some possible frost every winter, like, badly, the last one, with lows of -1,5 C/29F, but not this mild one. Surprisingly they suffered no damage at all, neither the archontophoenix alexandrae and cunninghamiana illawara planted next to them. Maybe the edifice and the upper garden's wall provides some heat or shelter.

Anyone else growing this palm?

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Furadouro and Ovar, zone 9b/10a.
PORTUGAL
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richnorm Grand Master

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It's not parvifrons. Most likely a form of vogelianum.  I expect you got the seed from RPS or the plants came from that seed source. They grow into handsome palms but I find that they are touchy compared to other Ceroxylons.

Rafael Grand Master

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Thank you Richard! :)

But why do you say it is not parvifrons?

These came from a canary islands nursery and i am not sure about the seeds` origin. But that´s probably from the RPS.

Among my other ceroxylon, these are the most cold and frost hardy, so maybe not vogelanium...

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Mandrew968 Grand Master

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Awesome palms, whatever they are...

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richnorm Grand Master

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8 hours ago, Rafael said:

Thank you Richard! :)

But why do you say it is not parvifrons?

These came from a canary islands nursery and i am not sure about the seeds` origin. But that´s probably from the RPS.

Among my other ceroxylon, these are the most cold and frost hardy, so maybe not vogelanium...

The leaflets are irregular and will become much more so as the plants mature.  C. parvifrons has regularly arranged leaflets.  The upper range of vogelinum is close to 3000m so not so much less than parvifrons. 

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DoomsDave Grand Master

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It's so nice tone able to get Ceroxies to grow well.

It's a bit warm for them at my place; they 

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48 minutes ago, richnorm said:

The leaflets are irregular and will become much more so as the plants mature.  C. parvifrons has regularly arranged leaflets.  The upper range of vogelinum is close to 3000m so not so much less than parvifrons. 

What would you say about this one, from Axel?

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Phoenikakias Grand Master

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40 minutes ago, DoomsDave said:

It's so nice tone able to get Ceroxies to grow well.

It's a bit warm for them at my place; they 

They .. what?

A. They sweat

B. They melt

C. They get sun scorched

D They get fried

E They swim in your pool

F Other

:P

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richnorm Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Rafael said:

What would you say about this one, from Axel?

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Tough call but on balance I'd say that is going the same way but a few more leaves needed to be sure.  

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Should be clear in 2 or 3 more leaves.  These fake parvifrons start regular and end up like these 2:  I think yours will do the same.

 

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Mandrew968 Grand Master

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Man, that looks almost exactly like my Allagoptera caudescens. 

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Mandrew968 Grand Master

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On 1/12/2016, 8:24:38, Mandrew968 said:

Man, that looks almost exactly like my Allagoptera caudescens. 

Check out my neighbor's Ceroxylon.

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richnorm Grand Master

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He was joking!  They do indeed look similar as does Attalea dubia when small.    The spear is a dead giveaway though.

 

richnorm Grand Master

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It has that lovely coppery parvifrons colour (like mine did) but I think I can see that the leaflets are just beginning  to dart off in all directions.

Rafael Grand Master

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10 hours ago, richnorm said:

Here's a couple of Darold's at a young age. You can see how regular and paired the leaflets are;

 

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So that's the main difference btw parvifrons and vogellanium?

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Here is my ceroxylon that was raised from seed that was supposed to be Ceroxylon parvifrons

Richnorm what do you think ??

 

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richnorm Grand Master

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Nice work Troy. Pretty sure these are all from the same seed batch. They look like they will be a superior form of vogelianum (which can be quite untidy).

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Your pics above look beautiful Rich!!!! 

Ben in Norcal Grand Master

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7 hours ago, Tassie_Troy1971 said:

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Here is my ceroxylon that was raised from seed that was supposed to be Ceroxylon parvifrons

Richnorm what do you think ??

 

Troy

It's interesting how your leaflets are paired whereas mine are alternating.  Is mine something else?

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My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37

richnorm Grand Master

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It might be something else but too soon to tell.  You will have to wait and see. Reminds me of a young quindiense.

Tassie_Troy1971 Grand Master

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oh well mine is really speeding up now so should have some idea in the next few years

Old Beach ,Hobart
Tasmania ,Australia. 42 " south
Cool Maritime climate

Mandrew968 Grand Master

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What species is mine?

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richnorm Grand Master

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Making good progress but now clearly (100%) not parvifrons.   Never going to be one of these:

 

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Josh-O Grand Master

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looks awesome guys!!

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

realarch Grand Master

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Beautiful Rich! Looks like it's loving your NZ climate.

Tim

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Tassie_Troy1971 Grand Master

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my two look exactly the same not parvifrons

Old Beach ,Hobart
Tasmania ,Australia. 42 " south
Cool Maritime climate

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How are all these Ceroxylon getting on? 
 

I purchased c.Parvifrons from seed and have been growing them for a number of years, still some way off any true fronds but I do hope they are Parvifrons 

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