On 29/10/2015 18:58:28, pRoeZa* said:

More discoverings in some Spanish forums... 

In Monforte del Cid, 38º26'N, but the most important thing is that is not at coastline, it's 25-30km inland and at 350m altitude!  

Alicante, 38º25'N

And other garden in Alicante:

 

Ibiza Airport, 38º53'N:

There were a couple of photos but they are deleted, anyways there are users who said that they are big and good looking. From the satellite view it can be seen that they are Roystoneas, look at the trunk, it has the "bottle" shape on it. And they are big; the users said that those palms were about 5-7m tall (the photo is from 2010)

 

And then Mallorca, at 39º 35'N. One user has this beauty in his garden:

Mallorca has very different climate zones and microclimates; the airport of Mallorca is located at low altitude and it's by far the coldest zone in the island at less than 300m altitude. The lowest temperature recorded in the city of Palma de Mallorca was -0.1ºC(31.82ºF) in February, in December for example the lowest recorded was 2.5ºC(36.5ºF) , the high averages during January are 15.4ºC(59.73ºF) and the minimum averages are 8.3ºC(46.94ºF) , it has near 3000 hours of yearly sun and the mean annual temperature is 18.2ºC. This climate I think that is perfect for spotting more Roystoneas, as the one on the photo, it looks amazing, and this is in the city, there are places in the island with even warmer microclimates which arrive to 19ºC mean annual temperature and the January averages are like 16/9 and the temperature even never arrived under +0.5ºC, as the lowest recorded in the city was -0.1ºC in 4 February of 2012:  

http://www.aemet.es/es/serviciosclimaticos/datosclimatologicos/efemerides_extremos*?w=0&k=bal&l=B228&datos=det&x=B228&m=13&v=todos

 

"One user has this beauty in his garden" Yes, she is a beauty  ,  but I need to know how to delete this hahaha!!

OMG what is this?!? When I've made this post this was a Tinypic image showing a Roystonea in a garden from Mallorca, not this!  

It seems that the image expired... I'm contacting PALM MOD to see what can we do 

Edited December 28, 201510 yr by pRoeZa*

Cuban Royal... now for sale in New Zealand.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/home-living/outdoor-garden-conservatory/plants-trees/palms-ferns/listing-2862562537.htm?rsqid=8fd73ff251c14d97a3acbc4b7153c3cb-001 

What do you folks think, how much heat do these need to survive and thrive? There's plenty of frost free areas of northern New Zealand, but not the summer heat of Florida or the Caribbean.

2 hours ago, sipalms said:

Cuban Royal... now for sale in New Zealand.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/home-living/outdoor-garden-conservatory/plants-trees/palms-ferns/listing-2862562537.htm?rsqid=8fd73ff251c14d97a3acbc4b7153c3cb-001 

What do you folks think, how much heat do these need to survive and thrive? There's plenty of frost free areas of northern New Zealand, but not the summer heat of Florida or the Caribbean.

$285 for a one gallon pot?  Out of the question.

35 minutes ago, WaianaeCrider said:

$285 for a one gallon pot?  Out of the question.

I know, right? Ridiculous! 

The guy must have sneaked some seeds into the country, have never ever seen or heard of this palm here before.

I wonder if the Côte d’Azur has any royals. We know Archontophoenix grow in Menton so I wouldn’t be surprised if that climate could also support royals.

Edited November 19, 20205 yr by RedRabbit

5 hours ago, sipalms said:

Cuban Royal... now for sale in New Zealand.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/home-living/outdoor-garden-conservatory/plants-trees/palms-ferns/listing-2862562537.htm?rsqid=8fd73ff251c14d97a3acbc4b7153c3cb-001 

What do you folks think, how much heat do these need to survive and thrive? There's plenty of frost free areas of northern New Zealand, but not the summer heat of Florida or the Caribbean.

From what I’ve seen they struggle without heat even if the climate is frost free. They don’t grow well here in Melbourne. There have been a few that have survived for a while but never look good. Pretty similar to Wodyetia in terms of heat requirement or maybe even slightly more so. 
 

My gut feel is that would struggle in Auckland due to lack of heat. I noticed Dypsis lutescens was struggling in the Auckland Botanic Gardens when I visited, and Roystonea needs even more heat to grow well. They might do ok up around Bay of Islands or Kerikeri. 

On 11/1/2015 at 5:16 AM, Cluster said:

Hello Proeza I do not know of any Roystonea in the Azores, but it should be quite happy there:). Viana do Castelo has lower lows (during spring and summer only), but the highs are higher than Monaco throughout the year, except late spring and summer where they are equal, being in the ocean though the lowest records are probably not lower than south France. It is probably very hard to work there, but I would give it a try in a good micro-climate:) just to see how it fares.

I will let you know if I find any Roystonea in Azores or northern Portugal! For now the best person to raise one would be Rafael, I believe he might be able to.

There is at least one large Roystonea in a private garden here in S. Miguel, and it looks great. It's behind walls and not easy to photograph, and I've tried to know on the owner's door, a known palm collector here, to no avail. I believe there are others. These would obviously not the most northernmost as we sit below parallel 38. I'm sure there are others. I have what was sold as a Roystonea but came to find out it's probably a A. Maxima or Alexandrae. Not easy to get certain things here.

8 hours ago, RedRabbit said:

I wonder if the Côte d’Azur has any royals. We know Archontophoenix grow in Menton so I wouldn’t be surprised if that climate could also support royals.

No, unfortunately no royals here...

2 hours ago, gilles06 said:

No, unfortunately no royals here...

That’s too bad, do you know if any have been tried?

There’s quite a bit growing there that suggest royals could probably survive. I was looking last night at streetview and pictures from local botanical gardens and archontophoenix, caryota (sp), howea, big old ficus, and monstera to name a few.

I’m not sure what the crownshafted palm is on the right in this picture, it’s next to an archontophoenix, but the fronds look more like veitchia: 

Evidently the record low in Menton is 30f and 23f in Monaco which seems reasonable for royals. I’m not sure there’s enough winter heat for them, but I don’t think they’re as picky about that like you get from other tropical palms. All told it looks to me like they should be able to survive there.

Edited November 19, 20205 yr by RedRabbit

This is not my photo, but is what I believe to be a royal in Menton that was posted on a French FB palm group that I’m a member of. It was a little while ago though so not sure if it’s still there, although last winter was very mild so I imagine there’s a good chance that it is.

15 minutes ago, Palmsofengland said:

This is not my photo, but is what I believe to be a royal in Menton that was posted on a French FB palm group that I’m a member of. It was a little while ago though so not sure if it’s still there, although last winter was very mild so I imagine there’s a good chance that it is.

Awesome find, that’s probably the northernmost royal in the world. 

1 hour ago, Palmsofengland said:

This is not my photo, but is what I believe to be a royal in Menton that was posted on a French FB palm group that I’m a member of. It was a little while ago though so not sure if it’s still there, although last winter was very mild so I imagine there’s a good chance that it is.

Wow, that's great. Hard to believe. That's the same latitude as me.

Menton/Monaco would likely have higher summer maximums than the far North of New Zealand but more risk of cold in Winter and likely lower annual lows. Also Auckland and north would offer more humidity and regular rainfall and are also substantially closer to the equator. So there's a good chance that a Royal would thrive in the right part of Northland New Zealand. 

2 hours ago, Palmsofengland said:

This is not my photo, but is what I believe to be a royal in Menton that was posted on a French FB palm group that I’m a member of. It was a little while ago though so not sure if it’s still there, although last winter was very mild so I imagine there’s a good chance that it is.

Here's the palm on Streetview: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7783152,7.5079248,3a,15.4y,8.37h,96.71t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipM-gSAR1fsV3yxHXzXxH3DXnSb5olegYOQ6xF26!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipM-gSAR1fsV3yxHXzXxH3DXnSb5olegYOQ6xF26%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya71.434296-ro-0-fo100!7i8704!8i4352

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7786023,7.5073966,3a,15y,101.29h,81.99t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYtKM3vIysV3cMl3rhDuLqQ!2e0!5s20180401T000000!7i16384!8i8192

Officially at 43.78N. 

Edited November 19, 20205 yr by RedRabbit

On 11/19/2020 at 10:10 AM, Shoowow said:

There is at least one large Roystonea in a private garden here in S. Miguel, and it looks great. It's behind walls and not easy to photograph, and I've tried to know on the owner's door, a known palm collector here, to no avail. I believe there are others. These would obviously not the most northernmost as we sit below parallel 38. I'm sure there are others. I have what was sold as a Roystonea but came to find out it's probably a A. Maxima or Alexandrae. Not easy to get certain things here.

 

Google street view is terribly out of date here, but the photo shows the property in question, plus what seems to be the royal, although the view is not very good.

there is one royal in Mallorca 39.6 latitude.

The Menton Royal at 43° .78 is totally insane to somebody from the US! That is further north then New York, Chicago, Plymouth, Massachusetts, Manchester New Hampshire, Erie Pennsylvania, Buffalo, New York, Flint, Michigan, Eureka,Ca, parts of Canada, together with the states of Wyoming and Nebraska among others!

To the southern end of the latitude scale, Christchurch, New Zealand is not that far from the equator. This absolutely has to be a world record. Congratulations!

The Menton royal is... an Archontophoenix.

1 hour ago, pietropuccio said:

The Menton royal is... an Archontophoenix.

The one pictured above? I don’t see any Archontophoenix traits. Looks like what I’d expect from a Roystonea in a very marginal climate. 

48 minutes ago, tim_brissy_13 said:

The one pictured above? I don’t see any Archontophoenix traits. Looks like what I’d expect from a Roystonea in a very marginal climate. 

No, look at the previous messages.

I looked at Archontophoenix specimens on Palmpedia and compared them with Roystonea. I agree with Tim Brissy that the photographed specimen appears to be a Roystonea in a very marginal climate. I base this on the extremely “frilly” nature of the leaf structure as compared to Archo’s.

That stated, the specimen in Mallorca at 39.6 is duck studly…

Mallorca forecast has a low of 34 right now, compared to record lows of slight freeze. Interesting climate with quite cool but never a hard freeze winters. 

The Menton forecast right now is warmer than Mallorca actually and also somehow doesn't have much hard freeze in the record, no colder than what TX royals dealt with, and it's hotter summer than Mallorca island. So maybe Menton and other hard freeze free northern Mediterranean places could pull off a royal. 

Edited January 21, 20224 yr by Aceraceae

3 hours ago, Aceraceae said:

Mallorca forecast has a low of 34 right now, compared to record lows of slight freeze. Interesting climate with quite cool but never a hard freeze winters. 

The Menton forecast right now is warmer than Mallorca actually and also somehow doesn't have much hard freeze in the record, no colder than what TX royals dealt with, and it's hotter summer than Mallorca island. So maybe Menton and other hard freeze free northern Mediterranean places could pull off a royal. 

Palma's low forecast for today is 40F (+4ºC) 34F could be somewhere on the island (the island has a very complex climate, for example the area around the airport is much, much colder than the area near the city itself) yet right now the official AEMET station stands at 5.9ºC (43F) and I doubt it will get much under that as it's 7.25 AM in Spain and normally low temps are registered around 5-6 AM. Anyways, that's still quite under average as the 1981-2010 official January low is 8.3ºC / 47F. 

These days have been considerably under average in most of Spain, if you check the GFS maps it will still be under average for the following 7 days but not that much. 

I don't think a place with 60/47 official January 1981-2010 averages has "quite cool" winters and even less at 39º34'N. The city's official station started working in 1978 and from 1978 to 2021 there has been only one single day with a low under 0ºC/32F although 3-4ºC lows (38/40F) are not that rare during cold spells, temps under 2ºC/36F are very rare. 

As said before, Mallorca has a very complex climate. This is a long story and has an explanation, but for example right now, Son San Juan Military Base has 0ºC while Palma has 6ºC and Llucmajor much more inland at an altitude of around 500ft had a low of 3ºC so it's a complex climate made of lots of microclimates. The city itself is sheltered by the W mountains. Meanwhile, the NE top of the island, Capdepera, has registered a low of 9.7ºC (49.5F) just to make you think how many microclimates are found in that area.

Here you have the official Spanish Met Agency with today's lows: http://www.aemet.es/es/eltiempo/observacion/ultimosdatos?k=bal&w=1&datos=img&f=tmin

5 hours ago, bubba said:

I looked at Archontophoenix specimens on Palmpedia and compared them with Roystonea. I agree with Tim Brissy that the photographed specimen appears to be a Roystonea in a very marginal climate. I base this on the extremely “frilly” nature of the leaf structure as compared to Archo’s.

Mallorca royal is a royal:

 

Menton royal is an Archontophoenix

 

Don't just read the last message!

I made this thread in 2015 and unfortunately Tinypic doesn't exist anymore and they just deleted ALL of the pics hosted in their site. 
I've lost hundreds of pics of palms and tropical fruits growing all around Spain. Since I didn't have them anymore on my computer as well. 

This Royal is located in Cullera, Valencia, Spain at above 39ºN and it's above 20 years old. Not so many Royals (hard to get them) but Bizzies grow there like champs! 

1st pic is made in late January, 2nd and 3rd pics are made just after "a harsher than normal" winter with abnormal wind. They all succeed pretty well!







Cullera doesn't have any official weather station (there is one in Polinyá, which is close but further inland) I'd say the hardiness zone in this area is 10a/10b (depends on the zone, lots of microclimates) and that January averages are about 16ºC / 7ºC which translates to 61/45F with occasional cold spells around 2-3ºC but freezes are really exceptional.

On 1/19/2022 at 10:48 PM, Brandon39.5 said:

there is one royal in Mallorca 39.6 latitude.

Amazing, very beautiful specimen! Where are you located (approximately) from the pic it looks like you're slightly inland?

Meanwhile in southern Spain, at latitudes above 37ºN they just grow like champs! I've posted here on PalmTalk pics about the biggest specimen I've ever spotted in mainland Spain, it was one that it was at least 20 meters (66 ft) tall somewhere in Málaga. That one was really old and it was giant, something impossible to match elsewhere in Europe. 

These ones from below are at least 10m/33ft and they're in Nerja, Málaga province. Just look at the forecast and you'll understand why they grow like authentic champs.

1 hour ago, pietropuccio said:

Mallorca royal is a royal:

 

Menton royal is an Archontophoenix

 

Don't just read the last message!

I was referring to the Menton palm. It’s a royal, almost no doubt R regia. Definitely not Archontophoenix. For a start, the fronds are plumose. The trunk and leaf scars are also typical royal, whereas Archontophoenix have more prominent scars. 

1 hour ago, tim_brissy_13 said:

I was referring to the Menton palm. It’s a royal, almost no doubt R regia. Definitely not Archontophoenix. For a start, the fronds are plumose. The trunk and leaf scars are also typical royal, whereas Archontophoenix have more prominent scars. 

In my opinion it is not Roystonea, the leaves are ruined by the wind and salt, the plumose appearance on the right is due to the overlap in the photo of two leaves, if you look carefully the leaflets are arranged on the same plane, moreover the last ring is greenish.

I don't know if the Menton one is a Royal. It could be. With a small "research" I've seen that in fact there were 2 of these palms, both identical, but one is already dead.

They were planted with a decent size in late 2018 (in some works they've done, in 2017-2018 street views the beach was at work, but in the 2019-2020 ones both can be seen already) yet it seems the growth since they were planted is almost non-existant. It's also dodgy because in one pic it resembles a R.Regia but in another one it resembles an Archontophoenix. 



But as of July 2021 one was already dead. The another one was quite damaged. Both appear on Google Maps. Palm experts, judge by the links from below.



Somewhere in 2020 where both can be seen (it says December 2020 but it's a mistake, since many people are in bikini, some even bathing, I'd say June or September) 
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7785434,7.5076881,3a,89.1y,64.49h,69.32t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipNQVyWnbwww6iC7FmOZj1USKU71xTFdFenSH_Og!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNQVyWnbwww6iC7FmOZj1USKU71xTFdFenSH_Og%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya158.47874-ro0-fo100!7i12000!8i6000

July 2021 (one is dead, the another one is damaged) here is where I started doubting about the species.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7782615,7.5074977,3a,18.7y,33.67h,86.68t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipO7ImR5aEyn1whC1E-4M_E-Row2mT9_IyEDKSPf!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipO7ImR5aEyn1whC1E-4M_E-Row2mT9_IyEDKSPf%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya151.95378-ro-0-fo100!7i11264!8i5632

After seeing the 2021 pic from this perspective, I'm doubting if it's a Royal or not. But from the 2020 pic it seems like a Royal. I'm not such an expert so I'll leave it to y'all!

 @bubba @tim_brissy_13 @pietropuccio @RedRabbit @gilles06

Edited January 21, 20224 yr by Alicante

Now that I can see all and clearly the crown, I correct myself, Roystonea, evidently suffering. Sorry.

Thank you, Alicante!

1 hour ago, pietropuccio said:

Now that I can see all and clearly the crown, I correct myself, Roystonea, evidently suffering. Sorry.

Thank you, Alicante!

I was thinking the same, especially because on the 1st pic they clearly looked as Roystoneas for me as well, although I'm not an expert on identifying palms. 

It seems both species were planted in late 2018 with the same size, they had already some years when they were planted. The one from the left died, the trunk can be actually seen between the bench and the right column of the porch or whatever that is. So the left one survived 2 winters, the right one is still alive. Or at least it was in late 2021. 

WOW! The Malaga Royals are bulldacious!

12 hours ago, Alicante said:

Meanwhile in southern Spain, at latitudes above 37ºN they just grow like champs! I've posted here on PalmTalk pics about the biggest specimen I've ever spotted in mainland Spain, it was one that it was at least 20 meters (66 ft) tall somewhere in Málaga. That one was really old and it was giant, something impossible to match elsewhere in Europe. 

These ones from below are at least 10m/33ft and they're in Nerja, Málaga province. Just look at the forecast and you'll understand why they grow like authentic champs.

Beautiful Royals in Malaga. And some are flowering. It would be interesting to know if they will have viable seeds and how north that would be possible.

1 hour ago, Stelios said:

Beautiful Royals in Malaga. And some are flowering. It would be interesting to know if they will have viable seeds and how north that would be possible.

Hey Stelios, the pics were posted in late 2018 in a Spanish Gardening Forum. According to the author, he grabbed many Roystonea seeds, as he said "the ground was packed with them" I'll leave the link below. He also posted some giant Syagrus pics.

I will also try to hunt the Caribbean sized Royals I've posted here on the forum some years ago but unfortunately lost because of Tinypic's closure. I think they were in Almuñecar, Motril, Nerja or somewhere in that coast. What I know it was in a smaller city east of Málaga. I hope I can find them in Google Maps!

https://foro.infojardin.com/threads/roystonea-regia-nerja-malaga-fotos.95734/

The last ones are planted directly in the sand on the beach, and they seem to enjoy it. No synthetic fertilizers, all is natural.

Edited January 21, 20224 yr by Alicante

14 hours ago, Alicante said:

I don't know if the Menton one is a Royal. It could be. With a small "research" I've seen that in fact there were 2 of these palms, both identical, but one is already dead.

They were planted with a decent size in late 2018 (in some works they've done, in 2017-2018 street views the beach was at work, but in the 2019-2020 ones both can be seen already) yet it seems the growth since they were planted is almost non-existant. It's also dodgy because in one pic it resembles a R.Regia but in another one it resembles an Archontophoenix. 



But as of July 2021 one was already dead. The another one was quite damaged. Both appear on Google Maps. Palm experts, judge by the links from below.



Somewhere in 2020 where both can be seen (it says December 2020 but it's a mistake, since many people are in bikini, some even bathing, I'd say June or September) 
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7785434,7.5076881,3a,89.1y,64.49h,69.32t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipNQVyWnbwww6iC7FmOZj1USKU71xTFdFenSH_Og!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNQVyWnbwww6iC7FmOZj1USKU71xTFdFenSH_Og%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya158.47874-ro0-fo100!7i12000!8i6000

July 2021 (one is dead, the another one is damaged) here is where I started doubting about the species.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7782615,7.5074977,3a,18.7y,33.67h,86.68t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipO7ImR5aEyn1whC1E-4M_E-Row2mT9_IyEDKSPf!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipO7ImR5aEyn1whC1E-4M_E-Row2mT9_IyEDKSPf%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya151.95378-ro-0-fo100!7i11264!8i5632

After seeing the 2021 pic from this perspective, I'm doubting if it's a Royal or not. But from the 2020 pic it seems like a Royal. I'm not such an expert so I'll leave it to y'all!

 @bubba @tim_brissy_13 @pietropuccio @RedRabbit @gilles06

Outstanding research @Alicante! I’ll be interested to know how the one remaining royal does. I know archontophoenix also live in Menton too so it would seem like a royal would do well there too, unless their climate needs are more dissimilar than I think. 

9 hours ago, bubba said:

WOW! The Malaga Royals are bulldacious!

Malaga has some great palms, the climate there is about the same as San Diego. 

I think this is the oldest and tallest roystonea in Málaga, and probably in Spain and in Europe. The garden dates back to the 19th century ( 1850 ). It is opposite La Cocepción botanical garden, and it belonged to the same family.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7590314,-4.4244459,3a,33y,154.77h,101.64t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipNlw21lArcvgpCYECnh52xbdcsyqlnfsdjCzGy7!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNlw21lArcvgpCYECnh52xbdcsyqlnfsdjCzGy7%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi0-ya9.401508-ro-0-fo100!7i7200!8i3600

This is a picture of it in a book about gardens in Málaga.

This other one was inside La Concepción, but it crashed in the wind a long time ago. It was the same age.

These two are in Almuñecar. They were planted in the late 1980s, along with many other species of palms and tropical trees. Have a look at the seeds! There are many others in the same town, and in Andalucia as a whole, along with south eastern Spain.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7355063,-3.6908591,3a,75y,352.03h,114.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so3exhXY4MGJ9xQF37W3uyA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

You can still see some dypsis madagascariensis ( lucubensis, back then ) packed with seeds in the streets. They are mixed with syagrus.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7397896,-3.6983849,3a,60y,40.49h,121.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3aHWGOdeg8K0cYaxDugz7g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Málaga could be considered as a 10b zone, and even 11a in downtown areas.

That roystonea in Menton is a jewel. I wish they would plant more.

By the way, have a look at this ficus lyrata in Málaga. It died in 1981. The picture was taken n 1975.

 

today i wanted to see the royal of Menton! It is 40 min by car from my home so i had to do it.

Here are some pics from today, that's clearly a royal, in bad state. I think it laked from watering the last summer... I give it 50% chance to survive for long term.

Today it is the nothernmost!

1 hour ago, gilles06 said:

today i wanted to see the royal of Menton! It is 40 min by car from my home so i had to do it.

Here are some pics from today, that's clearly a royal, in bad state. I think it laked from watering the last summer... I give it 50% chance to survive for long term.

Today it is the nothernmost!

Thanks for making the drive! Not gonna lie, kind of jealous you live so close. 

Hey Alicante. Did you know of the two over 150 years old roystonea regias in Málaga I mentioned before? 

What do you think about it?

As for the one in Mentón, that means that having survived 3 winters outdoors, in the ground and not being sheltered. If it were planted 50/100 metres away, close to the buildings in the city, it would get 1/2 degrees warmer in winter an summer. And the 50% chance of survival Giles06 mentions, would become a 100% chance. 

It could also be planted from Toulon to Genoa (44ºN).

This part of the south coast of France. The south coast in Spain from Algeciras to Alicante. South of Sicily, Greece, Crete, Cyprus, Turquey, and Russia ( Sochi, Tuapsé, Sujumi, Batumi, etc. 

all are sheltered by high mountain ranges from northern cold and wind, enabling them to become a one higher usda zone. 

We were talking abouta completely different story if south coasts of the UK and the USA had such mountains. 

20 hours ago, gilles06 said:

today i wanted to see the royal of Menton! It is 40 min by car from my home so i had to do it.

Here are some pics from today, that's clearly a royal, in bad state. I think it laked from watering the last summer... I give it 50% chance to survive for long term.

Today it is the nothernmost!

RIP his left twin, let's see how this champ will do it out there! At the moment, southern France is having a good winter. I think it will pass this one as well. 

On 1/22/2022 at 11:00 AM, gurugu said:

I think this is the oldest and tallest roystonea in Málaga, and probably in Spain and in Europe. The garden dates back to the 19th century ( 1850 ). It is opposite La Cocepción botanical garden, and it belonged to the same family.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7590314,-4.4244459,3a,33y,154.77h,101.64t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipNlw21lArcvgpCYECnh52xbdcsyqlnfsdjCzGy7!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNlw21lArcvgpCYECnh52xbdcsyqlnfsdjCzGy7%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi0-ya9.401508-ro-0-fo100!7i7200!8i3600

This is a picture of it in a book about gardens in Málaga.

This other one was inside La Concepción, but it crashed in the wind a long time ago. It was the same age.

These two are in Almuñecar. They were planted in the late 1980s, along with many other species of palms and tropical trees. Have a look at the seeds! There are many others in the same town, and in Andalucia as a whole, along with south eastern Spain.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7355063,-3.6908591,3a,75y,352.03h,114.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so3exhXY4MGJ9xQF37W3uyA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

You can still see some dypsis madagascariensis ( lucubensis, back then ) packed with seeds in the streets. They are mixed with syagrus.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7397896,-3.6983849,3a,60y,40.49h,121.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3aHWGOdeg8K0cYaxDugz7g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Málaga could be considered as a 10b zone, and even 11a in downtown areas.

That roystonea in Menton is a jewel. I wish they would plant more.

By the way, have a look at this ficus lyrata in Málaga. It died in 1981. The picture was taken n 1975.

 

Enorme!!! Gracias. 
These were actually the Roystoneas I was talking about and looking for. Heck I did remember they probably were in Almuñecar (as I said few days ago) but I was looking for parks and near the beach, not inside the town itself. But now I remember the pics I've posted here years ago had buildings around, so makes sense. 

Guys, these are the Cuban sized Royals I was talking about. Although there are even bigger specimens thanks to the contribution of @gurugu (you're a legend dude)

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7355063,-3.6908591,3a,75y,352.03h,114.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so3exhXY4MGJ9xQF37W3uyA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

You can see how they've grown up from 2008 to 2019 with the Street View Timeline (upper left corner) and they give tooons of seeds. Someone has to grab them to fill Málaga with even more Roystoneas. I've seen that in the southern coast of Spain, Roystoneas are common now. I hope they will supersede Syagrus over the following years. 

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7397896,-3.6983849,3a,60y,40.49h,121.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3aHWGOdeg8K0cYaxDugz7g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Wow! This Dypsis Street is astonishing. Look at their size! They're giants!! I suggest that we should call this street "Dypsis Street" as the actual name is boring, Dypsis fits better. 

1 hour ago, gurugu said:

Hey Alicante. Did you know of the two over 150 years old roystonea regias in Málaga I mentioned before? 

What do you think about it?

As for the one in Mentón, that means that having survived 3 winters outdoors, in the ground and not being sheltered. If it were planted 50/100 metres away, close to the buildings in the city, it would get 1/2 degrees warmer in winter an summer. And the 50% chance of survival Giles06 mentions, would become a 100% chance. 

It could also be planted from Toulon to Genoa (44ºN).

This part of the south coast of France. The south coast in Spain from Algeciras to Alicante. South of Sicily, Greece, Crete, Cyprus, Turquey, and Russia ( Sochi, Tuapsé, Sujumi, Batumi, etc. 

all are sheltered by high mountain ranges from northern cold and wind, enabling them to become a one higher usda zone. 

We were talking abouta completely different story if south coasts of the UK and the USA had such mountains. 

I actually didn't know about the over 150 year old ones in Málaga. Thank you for such a privileged information! 

On a side note, actually the southern coast of UK (honorable mention to the Scilly Isles) has an even better protection than any mountain range. They have the ocean currents, The Scilly Isles at 50ºN have actually a 10a Hardiness Zone which tells us everything. Freezes are rare in Scilly, and they're at 50ºN! They even have good looking NIkau Palms!

What you see here below is actually England. It's called Tresco Abbey Gardens and it's located in Scilly, Cornwall (England, UK) enjoy!