Very educating!! Thanks Pal.

Please allow me to ask the next. If cotyledonary sheath is broken, is there any change to get a radicle on it?

Happened to one of my expensive seeds and its still hard after 3 months in nursery and does not rot away for now.

10 minutes ago, Jos Mannaart said:

Very educating!! Thanks Pal.

Please allow me to ask the next. If cotyledonary sheath is broken, is there any change to get a radicle on it?

Happened to one of my expensive seeds and its still hard after 3 months in nursery and does not rot away for now.

I think the part which is broken is something like the seed petiole (in case of remote or nearly adjacent germination). This petiole like part will divide into the cotyledonary sheath (growing upwards and producing two plumules) and the radicle (growing downwards and producing lateral roots). If this petiole or the sheath or the radicle is broken the seedling has no chance to survive …

Thanks for this complete answer.

Exactly what i was afraid off

Kind regards,

 

Jos

25 minutes ago, Jos Mannaart said:

Thanks for this complete answer.

Exactly what i was afraid off

Kind regards,

 

Jos

Did you too puchase Ch. tuerckheimii seeds also from RPS or from another source? How many seeds did you get? And how many have already (after 3 months) germinated?

Excuse me. In fact my question was off topic.

But while you have so much knowledge and explaines in this topic about germinating etc my question came up.

I do not have Ch. tuerckheimii but when my nursery have some space I will try to find seeds aswell.

For the moment I just placed two orders at RPS and for me service is very well.

I can learn a lot from you and that is why I follow your topics and replies, studied Baumschuler 30 years ago so in basic there is some knowledge overhere

Edited November 14, 201510 yr by Jos Mannaart

21 minutes ago, Jos Mannaart said:

Excuse me. In fact my question was off topic.

But while you have so much knowledge and explaines in this topic about germinating etc my question came up.

I do not have Ch. tuerckheimii but when my nursery have some space I will try to find seeds aswell.

For the moment I just placed two orders at RPS and for me service is very well.

I can learn a lot from you and that is why I follow your topics and replies, studied Baumschuler 30 years ago so in basic there is some knowledge overhere

Three months ago? So it may be a Sabinaria seed? If so please check the Sabinaria thread, I will post a pic with explanations.

Yes indeed it is Sabinaria seed. Got replacement but still wants to keep it alive

More "educating" pics, N°1501 is just showing tip of 1st plumule (seedling-leaf), and the last photo before potting showing a longer radicle:

cool

Uau, you are a real botany teacher. Please, keep us posted until first leaf. Thank you!

Sweet!

On 19.11.2015, 21:33:34, Kai said:

Sweet!

Not as fast as your coconuts, but still growing:

9 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

Not as fast as your coconuts, but still growing:

Hey Pal,

My 2 tiny little seedlings I got shipped bareroot from Floribunda in July of this year are surprisingly fast growing. Of course they had to recover after being boxed up for over 2 weeks and one of them even spearpulled. But today both little plants have thrown out 2 leaves. Taken into account recovery time, these plants are pretty fast! Keep an eye out for spider mites though!

There are many discussions concerning the problems with growing this little palm. One of the problems may be the fact that the roots of Ch. tuerckheimii have very many tiny root-hairs. If these hairs can’t develop because the soil or the watering are inadequate the palm can’t grow healthily.

Also the smallest seedling N°1503 is still alive.  The other four seeds are sleeping and seem to wait for next spring …

The 4th baby N°1504 didn’t wait until the next spring, after 62 days it germinated from the largest seed #1:

 

Hi Pal

Now, the third leaf is unfolded. From the second batch, until now are two Seedling germinated.

 

39 minutes ago, Pippo said:

Hi Pal

Now, the third leaf is unfolded. From the second batch, until now are two Seedling germinated.

Oh, very sweet. But the first leaf looks a bit wilted … I think the drainage of your soil mix might be not quick enough. I am using mainly pine bark (2-8 mm) with very fast drainage and much smaller pots: At first clay pots 8×9 cm, afterwards plastic pots 8×8×9 cm.

Your seedling from the 2nd batch looks very similar to my first baby: It shows also the tip of the 2nd plumule.

The 5th baby N°1505 germinated today after 76 days from seed #9:

Great documentation Pal, love the detail here. What are the environmental conditions where the pots are - are you still using the jar? What kind of temperature/humidity are they in?

Thank you

Edited December 8, 201510 yr by Pando

28 minutes ago, Pando said:

Great documentation Pal, love the detail here. What are the environmental conditions where the pots are - are you still using the jar? What kind of temperature/humidity are they in?

Thank you

The seeds #2, #8, and the geminated #9 are still in the jar. The paper towls are humid, not soggy. The temps vary from ca. 22°C (night) to 28°C (day). – The present stage is: N°1501 has 2nd plumule; N°1502 and 1503 show 1st plumule; N°1504 and 1505 show only something like the seed petiole. The seedlings germinated after 29, 40, 45, 62, and 76 days.

Congratulations with number 5 Pal! After your disapointment on arrival of the seeds, this is still a pretty good result so far!

Here an update, documenting the breathtaking  speed of growth:

And after 86 days the 6th baby N°1506 germinated from seed #8 . Now only one viable seed (#2) is left.

9 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

And after 86 days the 6th baby N°1506 germinated from seed #8 . Now only one viable seed (#2) is left.

Great result Pal! Congrats! We will speak in a few years regarding pollination of our mature tuerckies! I might just need to come and visit you for some pollen!

The last seed: Don’t disturb, it’s still sleeping in its soft bed … 

Pal, compare to Lytocaryum, which one is faster so far?

9 minutes ago, Mohsen said:

Pal, compare to Lytocaryum, which one is faster so far?

The germination of (fresh) Lytocaryum weddellianum or insigne is one of the fastest. The germination of those Chamaedorea tuerckheimii may be so sporadic because the seeds weren’t fresh any more. And the growth of Ch. tuerckheimii is the slowest one I’ve ever seen …

And today an update of the tremendous growth of N°1501: Eophyll appearing 67 days after germination!

The six sprouted Tuerckheims wish all PalmTalkers a happy New Year

100 per cent success . I bought 2 batches of seeds from rare palm seeds. First batch I received on 2 Oct 13 (10 seeds)and the second on 6 Nov 14 (12 seeds). The last seed in the first batch has just germinated, over 2 years later. The second batch last 3 seeds have germinated. I am very happy with the success .

10 hours ago, Palms4Steve said:

100 per cent success . I bought 2 batches of seeds from rare palm seeds. First batch I received on 2 Oct 13 (10 seeds)and the second on 6 Nov 14 (12 seeds). The last seed in the first batch has just germinated, over 2 years later. The second batch last 3 seeds have germinated. I am very happy with the success .

I was not so lucky with my 10 seeds: 3 were already rotten or infected by pests when I received them, and another one (seed #2) seems to have very small tiny wormlike pests which may have already destroyed (?) the embryo … – The time of germination was up to now normal: The 1st germinated after 29 days, the 6th after 86 days, that is 1 to 3 months. – It would be nice if you could post some pics of your Tuerckheims too.

By my second batch are 7 of 10 germinated. That's a good result and I'm very happy. 

Greetings

Conny

Edited January 1, 201610 yr by Pippo

14 minutes ago, Pippo said:

By my second batch are 7 of 10 germinated. That's a good result and I'm very happy. 

Greetings

Conny

Hello Conny, That’s a good result.  As far as now my rate is only 60%, but if am "lucky" maybe also 70%. When did you order the 2nd batch and when did you receive it? The problem with my seeds was that a number of them were mouldy and/or infected.

First picture is of the earliest seedlings that germinated.  The second picture shows ones growing in the ground.  These were purchased from Queensland, Australia with approx. 4 leaves each.  

They grow well here in Sydney, but still rarely found.   

They look great mate   where did you buy them? I assume they are shade lovers?

2 hours ago, Palms4Steve said:

First picture is of the earliest seedlings that germinated.  The second picture shows ones growing in the ground.  These were purchased from Queensland, Australia with approx. 4 leaves each.  

They grow well here in Sydney, but still rarely found.   

They are looking really fantastic! I would be very happy if my one of mine would look like yours in only two years:

1 hour ago, Mohsen said:

They look great mate   where did you buy them? I assume they are shade lovers?

Yes they are shade lovers. Two of them were bought on eBay. One was bought while on holiday in cairnes. The seeds I bought from rare Palm seeds.

They are hard to find for sale and can be expensive .

19 hours ago, Palms4Steve said:

Yes they are shade lovers. Two of them were bought on eBay. One was bought while on holiday in cairnes. The seeds I bought from rare Palm seeds.

They are hard to find for sale and can be expensive .

Thanks Steve

I guess the only option is buying  seeds from RPS ...how long will it take they send it to here?