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germinating Licuala mattanensis 'Mapu'


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Posted

Is there anyone that can give me some germination tips on these guys? I just received seeds that appear to be very fresh. I didn't expect their shape to be so long.

They are very delicate looking and dark red.

Thanks in advance-

:D

Wendi

"I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees!"-Dr. Seuss :P

north central east coast of Florida

halfway between Daytona and St. Augustine

15 mi inland

Posted

Mines took 5-10 months to germinate. The first months underground were in summer, with warm-hot temperatures. Surprisingly, leaves sprouted with cooler weather in winter, in a tunnel, during four months at 11-14 C at night and 24-30C during the day. The first leaves looked perfect despite of the cool nights.

Carlo, Tenerife

Posted

Hi Wendi

These can take some time to germinate like some of the other licuala’s even up to 1 or more years they seem to work best in cocco peat and kepted quite warm 30C plus try a few of the different methods and see which one works best for you. Mine seem to work ok with bottom heat but I would also try the baggy method with cocco peat and place these in your car on the dash board or at the back under the window, these must really heat up way past 30C but this works well.

I’m sure a few others would share there different way’s they germinate there licuala sp mapu, how about you Jeff.S I’m sure you have germinated heaps of these?

Here are a few photos of the seed for those that have not seen this species seed before I will list some more photos of them germinating once these ones start. :)

Clayton.

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Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia

Minimum 3.C -------- maximum 43.C Average Annual Rainfall 1700mm

IPS Membership since 1991

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Posted

One more photo of the seed with fruit on.

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Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia

Minimum 3.C -------- maximum 43.C Average Annual Rainfall 1700mm

IPS Membership since 1991

PLANT MORE PALMS TO SOOTH THE SOUL

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Posted

Hello Clayton/Wendi,

    Yes I have germinated a few over the years, but Clayton, you probably have me beat. Anyways, I just start mine in small pots of soil. I usually get a decent take on germ. With bottom heat, you would certainly get more to pop. Sometimes, I wish I used better methods, but I just can't find the extra time to put them in baggies and then checked them everyday and hand-pull them out as they start to germ.They are a really unusually shape seed,aren't they?

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

Posted

Carlo, Clayton, Jeff-

Thank you very much! I had no idea that these could take that long....Yikes, I'm impatient...I mean eager?

I check all my seeds all the time...LOL

The pics are great Clayton, I was wondering what the fruit would look like... That 'mapu' in the background is so beaautiful!!

Should I keep them on the drier side, or wetter?

Also, if anyone knows, are they remote or adjacent germinators?

Wendi

"I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees!"-Dr. Seuss :P

north central east coast of Florida

halfway between Daytona and St. Augustine

15 mi inland

Posted

How is the fruit in terms of scent, texture, etc.?

Which animals disperse this species in habitat?

Clayton, Jeff, how does it do in winter outdoors in the subtropics?

Carlo

Posted

Wendi, I wish you good luck in germinating those, as they are quite expensive. I'm surprised about the shape, as the other licualas seeds are round. Licualas should be remote germinators.

Did you buy them from RPS?

Frank

 

Zone 9b pine flatlands

humid/hot summers; dry/cool winters

with yearly freezes

Posted

Oh, please keep your extremities crossed....yes they are very expensive......Got them from Ortanique.

I have been wanting to try them for a few years now, but just haven't felt like I had enough experience. I guess I got brave with a few extra dollars :D

Also thanks for the info on germ type....I have some licuala grandis germing like crazy, but all at the stage where they look like little white claws on the side of the seed,  still hard to tell for me at that stage sometimes.

Most of the mapu seeds i got have a small lighter colored patch closer to one end. I am guessing that will be the point of germ. Although, I have made erroneous guesses in the past......LOLOL :;):

I know all of you have felt what I am feeling right now with these little guys....I'm so excited, I can hardly contain myself...GOSH, if I just can even get one looking like the one in Clayton's beautiful pic above, it would be more than worth the money!!!!

When I finally ordered these, i received my order and they were not in there :( , apparently stock had ran out :(

a couple days later I got an email saying the seeds were on the way......Thanks everyone at Ortanique....may seem silly, but was so excited to get those seeds!!!

I do order once in a while from RPS, but takes sooooo long to get here, plus I can't always afford min order req..... I am a single mother, and my youngest is Autistic, so not a lot of cash flow going on here :D

I have really come to trust that if I get seeds from Ortanique they will germinate as long as I do right by the seeds.

Thanks, truly, for all the help - I have been reading threads here for a very long time, and appreciate having a chance to converse with the palm 'heavy hitters'- Palm Lovers are such wonderful, generous people!!!!

you guys are my heroes!!!!!

Wendi

"I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees!"-Dr. Seuss :P

north central east coast of Florida

halfway between Daytona and St. Augustine

15 mi inland

Posted

wendi i am learnig alot from your experience so thank YOU! :)

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

Posted

Thanks Paul- I hope that I can contribute in some little way....for 2 years I have been reading posts here, so I finally decided to join, wish I would have before, just didn't want to ask stupid questions...I came to realize that the people here do not believe in such a thing as stupid questions. I really do not have much experience with plams, but because of what I learned early on, my desire to learn more was rapidly fueled! I think it is cool how 'palm people' are so generous with their knowledge... I intend to learn all that I can so that someday I can truly appreciate the great diversity in all palms..

BTW-

I was born in San Diego- great climate!!

Wendi

"I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees!"-Dr. Seuss :P

north central east coast of Florida

halfway between Daytona and St. Augustine

15 mi inland

  • 3 weeks later...
Posted

Dear Guys !

how did i miss this thread,i was willing to import these seeds,but i was told some nurseries are growing them.i must confirm this.or else i must get these seeds from online sites..

i have kept this baby for last,to sum up my seed germination work or program.this will be prpbably be my final palm in my collection list.

as some would say_keep the best for the last !  :)

thanks & Love,

Kris  :)

love conquers all..

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Posted

Wendi,

I ordered some of these from Ortanique as well, back in Jan. I've been checking them often, but nothing germinated yet. I also, was surprised to hear how long they might take, but am looking forward to seeing that first one sprout. Hope we both have success getting these to germ and sooner than later.  :)

Roger

Royal Palm Beach, FL.

USDA Zone 10A/10B Subtropical

26.7 degrees N. latitude

10 miles West of West Palm Beach and the ocean

Avg. yearly rainfall 58 inches

:cool:

Posted

Roger,

what germ method are you using? I have mine in a small plastic container, on top of a fishtank light. I have been checking them every day, and they seem to have plumped up a bit. Also I noticed that one end has sort of flattened out more, instead of being pointy like both ends were when I received them. Is this true with your as well? I wonder if that is where they will germ from. If you don't mind, could you please keep me informed of your progress with these, when yours germ, maybe that will give me an idea as to when to expect mine to pop. ???

Thanks

Wendi

"I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees!"-Dr. Seuss :P

north central east coast of Florida

halfway between Daytona and St. Augustine

15 mi inland

Posted

Wendy,

Will be happy to keep you posted on my germination progress. Mine seemed to have plumped up a bit also. However, I use a very sophisticated germ method. A plastic ziplock baggy and I wrap the seeds in a couple of moist Bounty towels (the quicker picker upper), then I put them in a seed starter tray with bottom heat.  :D Simple, but it seems to work great. I also use peat moss, but to be honest, the paper towels seem to work just as well and they are easier and cleaner to check the seeds progress with.

Roger

Royal Palm Beach, FL.

USDA Zone 10A/10B Subtropical

26.7 degrees N. latitude

10 miles West of West Palm Beach and the ocean

Avg. yearly rainfall 58 inches

:cool:

Posted

There's an idea, I guess it would allow air to get to them as well, hopefully preventing any fungal attacks-

I have been having that problem with the peat, even though I sterilize it, and wash my hands thoroughly...making me nuts!

No fungal attacks with the Mapu though, just some other stuff. These seeds are cool. I guess plumping means germ in progress, hopefully!

I think maybe I'll put 1/2 of them in p towels, just to see if any difference in the end.

Thanks Roger, and I will post when and if I get germ, after I recover from the faint!!  LOLOL

Wendi

"I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees!"-Dr. Seuss :P

north central east coast of Florida

halfway between Daytona and St. Augustine

15 mi inland

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

No germ yet, although each seed seems to have developed a little bump near the middle.

I did get a fungus attack, so today I potted them and put them out on the germ table, after cleaning them with just plain water and wiping away the green stuff. I see no signs of rot, and the fungus did not enter seeds that I know of.

Wendi

"I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees!"-Dr. Seuss :P

north central east coast of Florida

halfway between Daytona and St. Augustine

15 mi inland

Posted

Wendi,

I regret to tell you that the seeds that developed fungus are already dead.  :(

One thing I realized is that fungus growing in the surface may already been growing in the inside of the seed. Can you identify where is the germination point? see if any goo is coming out of there, or if it is abnormally swollen. The best thing to do is to keep the faith, and clean them the best you can. If you have enough of them, sacrificing one to see how it looks inside may be worth doing. And better now than much later. And SAVE any and all bad seeds. Shoot an email with a pic to your seed supplier and they may send you a new package with (hopefully) new seeds along with your next order.

Believe me, I FEEL your pain! Of the 6 species I ordered (see "Went inseedious" thread) I only have three left. I am glad my baby A. vestiarias 'maroon' are doing great and the D. lastellianas (3 so far). But painfully lost the Iguanura$$, the Pinanga$$ and the Hydriasteles to rot as they were bad ever since I got them.

Lesson learned? Suuure! From now on, to order only whatever says "New".

Frank

 

Zone 9b pine flatlands

humid/hot summers; dry/cool winters

with yearly freezes

Posted

Hi Frank-

I examined them all with magnifying glass after cleaning-not even a dimple of a hole. Seeds are still hard, and I only have 10, so don't want to cut into any.

I think they are ok..These that I am talking about are the 'Mapu'. My P. ekmanii are not doing as well- I have tossed 5 of 12. the rest are still hard and no holes......hoping, hoping, hoping!

Wendi

"I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees!"-Dr. Seuss :P

north central east coast of Florida

halfway between Daytona and St. Augustine

15 mi inland

Posted

If the seeds are hard that's good news. Hard seeds seldom get killed by fungus.

Frank

 

Zone 9b pine flatlands

humid/hot summers; dry/cool winters

with yearly freezes

  • 7 months later...
Posted

I sewed mine over a year an a half ago... gave up on them in the tubes and recycled the soil into some community pots...  Today, to my surprise I found 6 of the 10 seeds had germinated and grown into healthy little one leafers!  HOORAY!!!  I CAREFULLY potted 4 of them out into one gallon pots and left 2 of them in the Physokentia insolita compot...  I will leave them alone as long as I can...  The P. insolita have just begun to germinate, I will pot the remaining 2 when I plant out that pot!  YIPEE!!! :cool:  Chalk up another good batch of seed from rarepalmseeds.com  I just needed to be patient! :D

Tha bad thing is it makes me wonder where the remaining seeds are buried and how it's going to break my heart when I dig up a pot one day to find a dead albino mapu :angry:

Posted

I'm glad to hear that there is till hope for my seeds. I had them in a plastic baggy with paper towels and one baggy developed fungus so I got concerned and potted all mine up, but have had zip activity, so had kind of given up hope of any being viable and germinating, but just maybe I hadn't waited long enough. We'll see.

Roger

Royal Palm Beach, FL.

USDA Zone 10A/10B Subtropical

26.7 degrees N. latitude

10 miles West of West Palm Beach and the ocean

Avg. yearly rainfall 58 inches

:cool:

Posted

Clayton, thanks for showing a photo of the fruit!  Is there just one seed in that big thing?

Posted

Hi All

Sorry I have not had much of a chance to even look at the board since ive been back as we have had so much work catching up with all of our collectors and work with the nursery etc.

Also Just the other day I think many of the Australian plant people would have heard that one of our close friends Ron from Ron’s rare palms, house had burnt down while he was away, unfortanily his 6 year old son was asleep upstairs at the time and did not survive the fire. It’s been quite a sad time for us all and we will all miss the little nursery man who knew his plants very well for his age.

All the best to Ron and his family!! :)

It’s good to see that some are getting there Licuala.mattanensis var mapu seeds to germinate a couple of simple tips are as follows.

1 Make sure you keep your seeds damp but not too wet, if you using the baggy method just a fine condensation inside the bag is best, make sure you do not have heavy droplets forming at the top of the bag.

2. A constant heat of around 26 deg C to 30deg C works best.

3.If at any stage the seeds do start to fungus up simply wash this off in fresh water and replace seeds back into there media.

4. The seeds do not require any light to germinate.

5. A sterile mix works best to germinate most seeds but I have found that just using vermiculite and perlite is not enough especially with Licuala seeds but adding peat makes a big difference, maybe because of the acid content in the peat help break down the seed or activates the seed into germinating? But it this definitely helps!

And William yes there is just one seed in side there; you would not expect the seed to be that shape after seeing it with the fruit on. ???

All the best

Clayton

Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia

Minimum 3.C -------- maximum 43.C Average Annual Rainfall 1700mm

IPS Membership since 1991

PLANT MORE PALMS TO SOOTH THE SOUL

www.utopiapalmsandcycads.com

Posted

This is just too too cool!  I found another one leafer poking its head out of the soil!  I went out to take some pics and spotted another one!  That makes 8 out of 10 total so far!  I wonder where the other 2 seeds are burried?!  ???  LESSON LEARNED...  DON'T GIVE UP ON TOUGH SEEDS!  THEY CAN GERMINATE YEARS AFTER PLANTING!

Some photos!

Here's the one that germed in the tube in a few months after sewing (top left...  between dampening off and transplanting to the 1G pot, it defoliated half of its green leafy matter) and the 4 that I found in the Areca guppyana compot (the one on the bottom right is the one that was fully buried at the bottom of the pot, I hope it turns green and makes it!).

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And here is a shot of the compot with the unexpected Mapu one leafers and the third one that I just spotted this morning!  You can see the third one on the bottom left of the photo...  It is still small and mostly white as the seed was buried a couple inches below the surface.  I delicately dug some of the soil out from around it with my finger in hopes that it will turn green and flourish! :cool:

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  • 13 years later...
Posted

A blast from the past! My L. mattenensis, AKA mapu’s,  have been flowering for awhile now and have finally set seed. Wasn’t sure about the color of the ripe seed and the info from this forum just reinforces it’s value. 

Tim

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Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

Posted (edited)

@realarch

Absolutely breathtaking. Too cold where I live for them :( 

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