Trachycarpus Wagnerianus

[NM_PALM_BOY]

Hey All,

Anyone growing this one in Zone 7 or know anything about the cold hardiness on the "Wagy"? My research has turned up very little.

Thanks Guys,

Doug

[Zac in NC]

Yes, it should be hardy there in ABQ. I haven't grown it yet, but I know others who have and it has proved to be very hardy.

Zac

[PalmGuyWC]

T. wagneranus is one of the most cold hardy palms on earth, and my favorite of the group. If they grow in Canada, they should grow in N.M.

Dick

[freekypalmguy]

Does anyone know where in so cal. that has T. wagnerianus for sale. 15gal or bigger. After seeing PalmGuyWC's in another thread, I am hooked and would love to have one in my yard.

thank you,

[macario]

When I was in southern california I found a few large T. wagnerianus. I got a 20 gallon myself after doing alot of searching I found the older T. wagnerianus at nurserys that had more than 4ft of trunk were named Trachycarpus takil. They are Waggys just miss named along time ago.

http://www.botanicalpartners.com has some huge boxed ones.

[NM_PALM_BOY]

Thanks for the input guys. I have seen pics of this one, but what is the main visual difference between the T. Fortunei and the Waggie?

Thanks,

Doug

[rubyz]

Doug, if you want more info on cold hardy palms like the Waggie, I suggest you go to the EPS site (www.palmsociety.org/). The posters there talk about almost nothing else.

[NM_PALM_BOY]

Thanks! I will look on that site.

It is difficult to see the difference in pics. I was wondering if anyone had one or has "intimate" knowledge of the difference between the two.

Doug

[PalmGuyWC]

Hi Doug,

I think I have "intimate" knowledge of the Trachs. T. wagnerianus is superior to T. Fortuneii in every way. It's much more compact, has very stiff, leathery fronds that don't get bent in the wind, and it's just as cold hardy. To top it all, I think it's the prettiest of all the Trachs.

It would be my #1 pick of the Trachs.  It has a reputation for being slow growing, but that's not true. It's just a smaller more compact palm than the other Trachs. The nicest thing of all, even as a small palm it shows the characteristics of a mature palm. I LOVE T. wagnerianus!!

Dick

[ghar41]

(PalmGuyWC @ Apr. 14 2007,20:41)

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I think I have "intimate" knowledge of the Trachs. T. wagnerianus is superior to T. Fortuneii in every way. To top it all, I think it's the prettiest of all the Trachs.

It would be my #1 pick of the Trachs.  

Dick

Hey Doug,

Dick certainly has the experience and expertise with Trach's.  His yard is a study in temperate palms.  I think one of the best tips he has given here is to plant Wag's INSTEAD of fortunei's in temperate areas.  

I think you would be much more satisfied in the long run.

Although I have to disagree with you Dick in that among Trach's I think T martianus "Khasa Hills" is the prettiest of the genus.  Unfortunately it won't make it in Zone 7.

Anyway here is a 17 ft trunk Wag in my front yard mixed with Chamerops and Butia capitata...I think this helps illustrate my belief that the Wag is the most tropical looking of the super cold hardy palms.

[ghar41]

The crown...

[ghar41]

7 footer nearby...

[Nigel]

(PalmGuyWC @ Apr. 14 2007,20:41)

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Hi Doug,

I think I have "intimate" knowledge of the Trachs. T. wagnerianus is superior to T. Fortuneii in every way. It's much more compact, has very stiff, leathery fronds that don't get bent in the wind, and it's just as cold hardy. To top it all, I think it's the prettiest of all the Trachs.

It would be my #1 pick of the Trachs.  It has a reputation for being slow growing, but that's not true. It's just a smaller more compact palm than the other Trachs. The nicest thing of all, even as a small palm it shows the characteristics of a mature palm. I LOVE T. wagnerianus!!

Dick

As usual ........ couldnt have put it better myself.

T wagnerianus is the creme de la creme.

[PalmGuyWC]

I was inspecting my palms yesterday, and even though my mean night temps. are still in the mid 40's, T. wagneranus is the first palm that is actively growing. Most have opened a new frond and there are several sphers pushing out. All of my mature Trachs are in full bloom now and the male inflorescences are really quite beautiful.  The female flowers are less spectacular as they are smaller.

I wish I didn't have so many tall male T. fortuneis, as they contaminate my female T. waggys, and all the seedlings look like T. fortuneis. I'm bagging a few female waggy inflorescences to hand pollenate them so I can get some pure waggys. The seedling waggys look entirely different from T. fortuneis, as they are compact and form cute little fronds at an early age. The male flowers emerge about a week or two before the females, natures way of having the pollen in place when the females are ready.

All of my Chamaerops are blooming too.

Dick

[NM_PALM_BOY]

Hey all,

Thanks for all of the advice. I will talk with my nursery guy and see what he can do. Albuquerque is kind of behind the times in gardening and landscaping, so it may be hard to get one. I had to drive to El Paso to get my Windmill Palms and Med Fan a few years ago!

Doug

[ghar41]

(NM_PALM_BOY @ Apr. 21 2007,10:50)

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so it may be hard to get one. I had to drive to El Paso to get my Windmill Palms and Med Fan a few years ago!

Doug

That sure is a long way to go.  There are some mail order nurseries out there that may save you a lot of time and money.

You may want to check with Gary Wood at South Coast.  I'm sure there are others but I have had great success with him...

http://www.plantsigns.com/palmlist.html

[NM_PALM_BOY]

That sure is a long way to go.  There are some mail order nurseries out there that may save you a lot of time and money.

You may want to check with Gary Wood at South Coast.  I'm sure there are others but I have had great success with him...

The issue I have with mail order is that most specimens that they sell are small. I am looking for the largest palms possible within reason...3-4 foot trunks minimum for the Trachy's and 1-2 foot trunks for the Med fan, Needle, Mazari, etc. The larger they are, the better chance they have for survival.

Doug

[ghar41]

(NM_PALM_BOY @ Apr. 22 2007,10:32)

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The issue I have with mail order is that most specimens that they sell are small. I am looking for the largest palms possible within reason...3-4 foot trunks minimum for the Trachy's and 1-2 foot trunks for the Med fan, Needle, Mazari, etc. The larger they are, the better chance they have for survival.

Doug

Yes, it's always best to find larger plants.  You shouldn't have too much trouble finding fortunei's, C humilis, ect.

Thing is, even for me in here in Calif., finding the really cool stuff, like larger R. hystrix, T w. wag's, ect. is hit and miss.  Every once in a while, I'll run across something...

A few years ago, I figured what the heck, bought some small ones and stuck 'em in the ground.  Today some are the sizes I was looking for or larger!

...wish I would've done it when I first started back in '93...skipped planting the fortunei's ect. and planted the good stuff that was available in small sizes...

[NM_PALM_BOY]

Hey all,

I did some research on the "waggie." It appears to be less cold tolerant than the fortunei, but I could not find anyone growing it in zone 7. All data found is from people growing them in 8 or above. If anyone in the forum has heard anything from 7, please let me know. Otherwise, I may have to be one of the first!!

Doug

[Kris]

Thank god there are some stills to feast on !  

very beautiful palm & its attractive too...

thanks man for those stills_since without stills it becomes very difficult for people like me to understand what variety of fan palm will that be..

Love,

Kris  

[macario]

Hey NM_Palm_boy there are some people on these boards growings them in zone 6b-7. Heres a link

http://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/palms/

[Orlando]

Maybe like these ones in Sweden...?

taken from:

Palms and other exotic plants for Scandinavia

[NM_PALM_BOY]

Hey NM_Palm_boy there are some people on these boards growings them in zone 6b-7.

Thanks, I wish more would chime in!

I "buckled down" today and actually did some heavy research  for about 6 hours on cold hardy palms. Not only did I learn a lot, but I created a "wish list" from the findings. There are a lot of people these days "doing it"!

For those 6b-7b'ers out there, I would be more than happy to email you guys my compilation. Some data is inconclusive but if you are willing to experiment, I found over 10 species/sub-species that have definitely and/or may possibly survive in these zones.

Doug

[Tomsky]

It has a nice set of hair.

Jack

[carolinapalms]

This is exactly why I am on this site. I live in central/piedmont region of SC (7B). I have discovered 6 variaties of palm trees or shrubs that will survive the cold temperatures here in the Winter. I have planted all 6 variaties this Spring. I know that most will be OK. Some are risky. Please offer any suggestions on cold hardy palms. I love palms. I just can't grow most on this site that are so fasinating.