Coco Mail

[Danilopez89]

Just got my coconut in the mail!

[Danilopez89]

I hurried up and put it in the ground and watered it as soon as I got home from work. The small roots looked pretty dried up and the box looked like it had a rough ride. I hope it doesn't die. What do you guys think, will it make it? I would really appreciate any advice tips or suggestions on taking care for my coco.

[John Case]

_{Looks like it may want/need more sun.....}

[Zeeth]

I've gotten coconuts in the mail a bunch of times before and they usually do fine. They're mostly extracting nutrients from the inner nut so they travel alright. As long as it has a good growing season ahead of it it'll do fine. Good luck!

[Coconutman]

You gotta try right!

[Danilopez89]

_{Looks like it may want/need more sun.....}

I even put an extra piece of shade cloth over it. I'm afraid of the blistering sun right now. Its a nice protected corner and I wanted to give this "little microclimate area" a shot.

I've gotten coconuts in the mail a bunch of times before and they usually do fine. They're mostly extracting nutrients from the inner nut so they travel alright. As long as it has a good growing season ahead of it it'll do fine. Good luck!

Thanks! That's good to know. I won't worry too much about the dried up roots now.

You gotta try right!

Right! I'm thinking about just trying a bunch as time goes by. Maybe they wont all make it but if some do, I'll be happy

[Josh-O]

Well, they are growing all around you.

I say plant a bunch!!

happy growing

[Josh-O]

I thought you already had one growing in your yard?

[Danilopez89]

I thought you already had one growing in your yard?

I do! This is my 6th one. My first 2 are still alive. I bought another one from HD in the beginning of the year and it's a rocket! I'm going to baby it for a while.

[foxtail]

_{Looks like it may want/need more sun.....}

And.... sand

[Josh-O]

Keep us posted Danny

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

Where did you get it from? Did the source let you know what variety it is?

[Danilopez89]

Where did you get it from? Did the source let you know what variety it is?

I bought it from Amazon. I did not talk to the source. But on the item description it said it comes from the island of Kauai, Hawaii. It's very green, nothing like the yellow-orange ones from HD. Greg brought his La Quinta coco from Kauai too. I'm hoping they will be the same kind.

[DeletedAccount14e83d09a24f]

Where did you get it from? Did the source let you know what variety it is?

I bought it from Amazon. I did not talk to the source. But on the item description it said it comes from the island of Kauai, Hawaii. It's very green, nothing like the yellow-orange ones from HD. Greg brought his La Quinta coco from Kauai too. I'm hoping they will be the same kind.

Can you put the link here? I want to buy one too!

[Danilopez89]

Where did you get it from? Did the source let you know what variety it is?

I bought it from Amazon. I did not talk to the source. But on the item description it said it comes from the island of Kauai, Hawaii. It's very green, nothing like the yellow-orange ones from HD. Greg brought his La Quinta coco from Kauai too. I'm hoping they will be the same kind.

Can you put the link here? I want to buy one too!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00FDMVNDS/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1435503685&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SY200_QL40&keywords=coconut+tree&dpPl=1&dpID=51BoNJPzihL&ref=plSrch

I know they sell more on ebay. I just bought from Amazon because thats where I do alot of my shopping.

[enigma99]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Live-Coconut-PALM-TREE-3-Feet-tall-Caribbean-FREE-Ship-/320677871579?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa9e3ffdb

Where I got mine

[Danilopez89]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Live-Coconut-PALM-TREE-3-Feet-tall-Caribbean-FREE-Ship-/320677871579?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa9e3ffdb

Where I got mine

Did you get yours yet? Do you have any pictures of it? Im wondering how far along yours is.

[Cluster]

I hope that coconut does well for you, if possible you should get as much sun as possible for it, unless it is not used to sun, but since it was grown in Kauai it probably did not grow in a greenhouse. For now it should do fine without any sun but in winter it will be more important. Good luck Daniel, I hope I can get to try it on Madeira as well

[Danilopez89]

Help me out guys!!! 

What should I do?

Here's my coconut in January 1 2016

Here it is today...

The fronds are closing up. Probably root rot from the DAMN cold.

[Cluster]

Dam:( I don't understand enough about palms yet, though most people here seem to suggest  hydrogen peroxide, I hope it makes it.

Edited February 4, 2016 by Cluster

[doranakandawatta]

On 27 juin 2015 05:41:45, Josh-O said:

Well, they are growing all around you.

 

I say plant a bunch!!

 

happy growing

shop in Trincomale:

garden harvest:  climbing Areca catechu to get coconuts

or:

poojas at the hindu temple:

[Danilopez89]

39 minutes ago, Cluster said:

Dam:( I don't understand enough about palms yet, though most people here seem to suggest  hydrogen peroxide, I hope it makes it.

Yes when I get home I will drench it with hydrogen peroxide. 

I'm not sure if I should use anything else on it...? Only thing I've ever used is hydrogen peroxide. 

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

On ‎6‎/‎28‎/‎2015‎ ‎9‎:‎55‎:‎36‎, Danilopez89 said:

I bought it from Amazon. I did not talk to the source. But on the item description it said it comes from the island of Kauai, Hawaii. It's very green, nothing like the yellow-orange ones from HD. Greg brought his La Quinta coco from Kauai too. I'm hoping they will be the same kind.

Dani,

If it's from Hawaii and it has really green leaves and petioles, then it is probably a Green Hawaiian Tall, as opposed to the Golden Hawaiian Tall, which is good for you, because Keith from Florida has one of the Green Variety over in the Palmetto/Bradenton area on the south side of Tampa Bay, and his I think made it through a 27F night a while back okay, whereas his others were pretty nipped by those temps.  The Hawaiian Varieties like a LOT of water, so as soon as it starts warming up in a couple of weeks and your lows aren't very chilly anymore, then start pouring the water to it a couple of times per week.

John

P.S.  Post some photos of all of yours, both in the ground and in pots, and we will help you identify them.

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

On ‎6‎/‎28‎/‎2015‎ ‎9‎:‎55‎:‎36‎, Danilopez89 said:

I bought it from Amazon. I did not talk to the source. But on the item description it said it comes from the island of Kauai, Hawaii. It's very green, nothing like the yellow-orange ones from HD. Greg brought his La Quinta coco from Kauai too. I'm hoping they will be the same kind.

The yellow/orange ones from HD are almost certainly Golden Malayan Dwarfs.  The Malayan Dwarfs (Green, Golden, and Yellow varieties) fruit when they are only about 3.5 to 4 years old, so if you can get some of these to survive and grow at your place, then you could have your first nuts in just a few years, but the more cold hardy talls take a good 7 years to start producing.

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

5 hours ago, Danilopez89 said:

Yes when I get home I will drench it with hydrogen peroxide. 

I'm not sure if I should use anything else on it...? Only thing I've ever used is hydrogen peroxide. 

Dani,

Use the Hydrogen peroxide first, then wait a couple of days and apply it again.  But only pour it down in the crown when it is sunny and warm, because the peroxide turns to water rapidly and you don't want water sitting in the crown on a cold winter night.  Also, you could try Bonide Copper Fungicide for Organic Gardening.  I use it as a foliar spray mixing 1 ounce per gallon of water and putting it in a small hand held sprayer, then drenching the crown, leaves, and upper trunk a couple of times each winter to prevent/kill the fungus that causes bud rot.  Also, it looks like your palm has Potassium deficiency, which mine get, the ones in the Rio Grande Valley get, and the ones in Central and northern South Florida get in the winter time.  This is due to the fact that Coconut Palms have a hard time extracting available Potassium from the soil when the weather is cool and the soil temps are cooler than they like, so I apply Medina Hasta Gro Lawn 12-4-8 as a foliar spray, mixing it at a rate of 1 ounce per gallon of water, then putting it in the hand held sprayer and spraying it a few times throughout the winter to give them the boost of nutrients they need, especially Potassium throughout the winter.  I don't however apply slow release granular fertilizer until late Feb. or Mar. and then again in late Oct.  Once warm weather comes back on a regular basis, the Coconut Palms usually snap out of the Potassium deficiency, which by the way starts out as brown spots at the tips of the leaves then progress along the edges and down the leaves.  In severe cases it can be fatal to Coconut Palms, but if you treat with a foliar spray like I said above, yours should be okay.  Just be sure not to water them too much in the winter, especially when it's chilly.  Water the in ground ones only about once every 2 to 3 weeks in the winter when its not raining, and the ones in pots only about once every 7 or 8 days when it's not raining.  When it warms up, increase the watering to about once a week for the in ground ones, and about once every 2 to 3 days for the potted ones.

John

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

Dani,

Be sure to only use the Copper fungicide about twice each winter and no more, so your palms don't develop a Copper toxicity with too much of it.

John

[Danilopez89]

2 hours ago, Mr. Coconut Palm said:

Dani,

Be sure to only use the Copper fungicide about twice each winter and no more, so your palms don't develop a Copper toxicity with too much of it.

John

Thanks for the detailed information and help John. Tomorrow I will drench it with hydrogen peroxide.

I got home from work kinda late today so I didn't do it. I also didn't want that area to get wet tonight since its still gonna drop down to the low 40's again.

It's gonna start warming up after tomorrow so I hope my coco bounces back to normal. 

[Danilopez89]

2 hours ago, Mr. Coconut Palm said:

Dani,

Use the Hydrogen peroxide first, then wait a couple of days and apply it again.  But only pour it down in the crown when it is sunny and warm, because the peroxide turns to water rapidly and you don't want water sitting in the crown on a cold winter night.  Also, you could try Bonide Copper Fungicide for Organic Gardening.  I use it as a foliar spray mixing 1 ounce per gallon of water and putting it in a small hand held sprayer, then drenching the crown, leaves, and upper trunk a couple of times each winter to prevent/kill the fungus that causes bud rot.  Also, it looks like your palm has Potassium deficiency, which mine get, the ones in the Rio Grande Valley get, and the ones in Central and northern South Florida get in the winter time.  This is due to the fact that Coconut Palms have a hard time extracting available Potassium from the soil when the weather is cool and the soil temps are cooler than they like, so I apply Medina Hasta Gro Lawn 12-4-8 as a foliar spray, mixing it at a rate of 1 ounce per gallon of water, then putting it in the hand held sprayer and spraying it a few times throughout the winter to give them the boost of nutrients they need, especially Potassium throughout the winter.  I don't however apply slow release granular fertilizer until late Feb. or Mar. and then again in late Oct.  Once warm weather comes back on a regular basis, the Coconut Palms usually snap out of the Potassium deficiency, which by the way starts out as brown spots at the tips of the leaves then progress along the edges and down the leaves.  In severe cases it can be fatal to Coconut Palms, but if you treat with a foliar spray like I said above, yours should be okay.  Just be sure not to water them too much in the winter, especially when it's chilly.  Water the in ground ones only about once every 2 to 3 weeks in the winter when its not raining, and the ones in pots only about once every 7 or 8 days when it's not raining.  When it warms up, increase the watering to about once a week for the in ground ones, and about once every 2 to 3 days for the potted ones.

John

So I'll do the hp first.

Second, I should treat it with a copper fungicide?  How long should I wait before I do this? 

I do have this bag of fertilizer. I read on the label that it can help plants during the cold weather. I wonder if I  can use this on my coconut? Or does it have to be specifically applied by foliar spray at this stage? 

 

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

1 hour ago, Danilopez89 said:

So I'll do the hp first.

Second, I should treat it with a copper fungicide?  How long should I wait before I do this? 

I do have this bag of fertilizer. I read on the label that it can help plants during the cold weather. I wonder if I  can use this on my coconut? Or does it have to be specifically applied by foliar spray at this stage? 

 

Dani,

Use the Peroxide first and wait a week or two and then apply the Copper fungicide.  Like I said, I use the Bonide Copper Fungicide for Organic Gardening since I went ALL ORGANIC four years ago ( and my plants are doing MUCH BETTER than they ever were with the chemicals).  Also, I think going ALL ORGANIC increases the cold hardiness a little too.  If you apply the Copper fungicide, wait 2 to 3 weeks before applying it again.  I wouldn't use that granular fertilizer tin the bag on your Coconuts Palms or any other palms, especially since palms need a higher nitrogen ration.  I use MicroLife All Biological Organic Fertilizer 8-4-6 Ultimate on all my plants, including my palms.  In the 30+ years that I have been growing palms and other tropical plants it is the BEST fertilizer I have found, and I have a degree in Agriculture, so I have extensive fertilizer experience.  It has over 100 micronutrients and minerals and covers the entire spectrum of any nutrients a plant could ever need.  It is produced in Houston and is specifically formulated to the Texas Gulf Coast, so I doubt you would be able to find any of it over there.  There are other good organic granular fertilizers that you can probably find in your area, but just make sure they have a higher Nitrogen ratio, something like a 6-2-4 or 8-4-6 or 12-4-8 with micronutrients, the most important of which are Iron, Magnesium, Zinc, Manganese, Copper, Molybdenum, etc., which palms need.  I only apply my granular slow release fertilizers in late Feb. to Mid. March and again around mid to late October.  You don't want to apply any of it in the winter, because you don't want to encourage a lot of growth on your tender tropicals in the winter.  The foliar spray though gets absorbed by the plants quicker and gives them a quick shot of nutrients to help bolster them in the winter, which is why I use it a few times each winter.  For a foliar spray of nutrients, I use MicroLife Ocean Harvest 4-2-3 and Medina Hasta Gro Lawn 12-4-8 with some of the micros.  I mix the Ocean Harvest at a rate of 2 ounces per gallon of water then put it in a small hand held spray bottle and soak the leaves, center of the crown and upper trunk with it.  I use the Medina at a rate of ! ounce per gallon of water and then put it in my spray bottle and douse the palms the same.  I alternate between the two sprays a few times throughout the winter from mid Nov. to about mid Mar. and then use it periodically throughout the year in tandem with my granular fertilizer I mentioned above.  If you are interested in me sending you a quart sized bottle of the MicroLife Ocean Harvest, send me a message and I will give you the price and the shipping cost along with my mailing address.  I sell it and the MicroLife slow release fertilizers.  I am trying to become the distributor of them here in South Texas.

By the way, that fertilizer you have in the bag is VERY high in Phosphorus, which palms are usually not deficient in, which is why good palm fertilizers have a very low Phosphorus number.  You always want the Nitrogen number to be highest and the second highest number to be the Potassium number, since tropical palms become deficient in it in cooler winter climates like ours.  Any other questions, just ask.  I love teaching people how to go organic and how to take care of their tropical plants.

John

[Danilopez89]

6 hours ago, Mr. Coconut Palm said:

Dani,

Use the Peroxide first and wait a week or two and then apply the Copper fungicide.  Like I said, I use the Bonide Copper Fungicide for Organic Gardening since I went ALL ORGANIC four years ago ( and my plants are doing MUCH BETTER than they ever were with the chemicals).  Also, I think going ALL ORGANIC increases the cold hardiness a little too.  If you apply the Copper fungicide, wait 2 to 3 weeks before applying it again.  I wouldn't use that granular fertilizer tin the bag on your Coconuts Palms or any other palms, especially since palms need a higher nitrogen ration.  I use MicroLife All Biological Organic Fertilizer 8-4-6 Ultimate on all my plants, including my palms.  In the 30+ years that I have been growing palms and other tropical plants it is the BEST fertilizer I have found, and I have a degree in Agriculture, so I have extensive fertilizer experience.  It has over 100 micronutrients and minerals and covers the entire spectrum of any nutrients a plant could ever need.  It is produced in Houston and is specifically formulated to the Texas Gulf Coast, so I doubt you would be able to find any of it over there.  There are other good organic granular fertilizers that you can probably find in your area, but just make sure they have a higher Nitrogen ratio, something like a 6-2-4 or 8-4-6 or 12-4-8 with micronutrients, the most important of which are Iron, Magnesium, Zinc, Manganese, Copper, Molybdenum, etc., which palms need.  I only apply my granular slow release fertilizers in late Feb. to Mid. March and again around mid to late October.  You don't want to apply any of it in the winter, because you don't want to encourage a lot of growth on your tender tropicals in the winter.  The foliar spray though gets absorbed by the plants quicker and gives them a quick shot of nutrients to help bolster them in the winter, which is why I use it a few times each winter.  For a foliar spray of nutrients, I use MicroLife Ocean Harvest 4-2-3 and Medina Hasta Gro Lawn 12-4-8 with some of the micros.  I mix the Ocean Harvest at a rate of 2 ounces per gallon of water then put it in a small hand held spray bottle and soak the leaves, center of the crown and upper trunk with it.  I use the Medina at a rate of ! ounce per gallon of water and then put it in my spray bottle and douse the palms the same.  I alternate between the two sprays a few times throughout the winter from mid Nov. to about mid Mar. and then use it periodically throughout the year in tandem with my granular fertilizer I mentioned above.  If you are interested in me sending you a quart sized bottle of the MicroLife Ocean Harvest, send me a message and I will give you the price and the shipping cost along with my mailing address.  I sell it and the MicroLife slow release fertilizers.  I am trying to become the distributor of them here in South Texas.

By the way, that fertilizer you have in the bag is VERY high in Phosphorus, which palms are usually not deficient in, which is why good palm fertilizers have a very low Phosphorus number.  You always want the Nitrogen number to be highest and the second highest number to be the Potassium number, since tropical palms become deficient in it in cooler winter climates like ours.  Any other questions, just ask.  I love teaching people how to go organic and how to take care of their tropical plants.

John

Thanks again John. I will definitely look into what kind of fertilizer I am able to buy here locally so I can apply as a foliar spray. I have two coconuts planted in the ground and these are just harder to feed during the winter because I don't want to over water them so I see how a foliar feeding would work better during the cold. 

Since the coconut palms can become deficient in potassium during the cold, would it  be a good idea to apply some sort of potassium supplement during the winter? 

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

44 minutes ago, Danilopez89 said:

Thanks again John. I will definitely look into what kind of fertilizer I am able to buy here locally so I can apply as a foliar spray. I have two coconuts planted in the ground and these are just harder to feed during the winter because I don't want to over water them so I see how a foliar feeding would work better during the cold. 

Since the coconut palms can become deficient in potassium during the cold, would it  be a good idea to apply some sort of potassium supplement during the winter? 

Hey Dani,

You're on Palmtalk early.  Yes, if you just wanted to supply some supplemental Potassium,  you can apply Liquid Seaweed.  Soil Mender makes a good one that is all natural made from North Atlantic Kelp.  It is a 0-0-1 ratio, so there isn't that much Potassium concentration in it, but I have used it before.  You use it at a rate of 1 ounce per gallon of water and apply like I said for the other foliar sprays above.  The instructions say to apply every 2-3 weeks and be sure to spray the undersides of the leaves too, which goes for the other foliar sprays and the Copper fungicide too.  If you decide to use the Liquid Seaweed, since it has less concentration of Potassium, I would opt for the every 2 weeks application during the dead of winter for your Coconuts so they will get more Potassium when they really need it, but again, wait for a mild sunny day and do and do it earlier in the day giving your palms a chance to dry out afterwards, so the bud in the middle of the crown isn't soaking wet on a chilly night.

By the way, MicroLife also makes a Super Seaweed, which I have a 1 gal. jug of, and I am going to try it out applying it to my Coconut Palms on a warm day in the next week or so.

John

P.S.  Remember to post some photos of all of your Coconut Palms when you get a chance. 

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

1 hour ago, Danilopez89 said:

Thanks again John. I will definitely look into what kind of fertilizer I am able to buy here locally so I can apply as a foliar spray. I have two coconuts planted in the ground and these are just harder to feed during the winter because I don't want to over water them so I see how a foliar feeding would work better during the cold. 

Since the coconut palms can become deficient in potassium during the cold, would it  be a good idea to apply some sort of potassium supplement during the winter? 

I also think there is a granular form of just Potassium too, but I have never used it.  I think it has sufficient concentration of Potassium, but I have read something a while back that states that you have to apply supplemental Magnesium too if you use it, so that you don't cause a Magnesium imbalance with the additional Potassium.  Because of this I never bothered trying it, but it might be something else for you to look into.

John

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

Dani,

I have probably asked you this before, but I forgot what you said.  What is your normal high/low in the months of Dec., Jan. and Feb., and what is your normal lowest low temp each winter?  Also, how many frosts do you average each winter?

John

[Danilopez89]

On 2/5/2016 7:15:12, Mr. Coconut Palm said:

Dani,

I have probably asked you this before, but I forgot what you said.  What is your normal high/low in the months of Dec., Jan. and Feb., and what is your normal lowest low temp each winter?  Also, how many frosts do you average each winter?

John

[Danilopez89]

Look at those winter record highs...

[Cluster]

The winter record high is almost the record of Madeira hehe:)

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

3 hours ago, Danilopez89 said:

Look at those winter record highs...

Dani,

Those Dec. and Jan. temps give you an average high/low of 56.7F in Dec. and 58.1F in Jan.  You warm up nicely there in the afternoon in the winter, but those are chilly overnight lows for Coconut Palms.  I am amazed that there are any not only growing but fruiting close to where you live, and I am surprised that as dry as your climate is that your morning lows don't routinely drop into the 20'sF and 30"sF because of very low dew points that I am sure you have.  Here when we have very dry air like that after a  dry cold frontal passage, our dew pints can drop down to 20F like part of yesterday and today, and with calm winds and no cloud cover we get a lot of radiational cooling and are in danger of freezes or getting close to it on nights like that.  So, I am really surprised that you don't get a lot of radiational cooling hard freezes throughout the winter.  Also, you summer time record lows are probably about 15F to 17F lower than our summer time record lows here. What is your average lowest low temp each winter?

John

[Cluster]

The only thing I would worry in such desert location is to protect the coconut in that very cold night every decade or something that will kill unprotected coconuts and give them plenty of water in the summer!

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

On ‎2‎/‎4‎/‎2016‎ ‎9‎:‎39‎:‎43‎, Danilopez89 said:

Help me out guys!!! 

What should I do?

Here's my coconut in January 1 2016

Here it is today...

The fronds are closing up. Probably root rot from the DAMN cold.

Dani,

I've got the same problem with my newly planted Jamaican Tall, but not with my 4 other newly planted coconuts.  Go figure, since the Jamaican is supposed to be pretty cold hardy compared to the other varieties.  But according to Keith in Florida, he has lost a couple of them, because apparently, even though they are more cold hardy, they don't like their roots being messed with, as in the transplanting process.

John

[Danilopez89]

1 hour ago, Mr. Coconut Palm said:

Dani,

Those Dec. and Jan. temps give you an average high/low of 56.7F in Dec. and 58.1F in Jan.  You warm up nicely there in the afternoon in the winter, but those are chilly overnight lows for Coconut Palms.  I am amazed that there are any not only growing but fruiting close to where you live, and I am surprised that as dry as your climate is that your morning lows don't routinely drop into the 20'sF and 30"sF because of very low dew points that I am sure you have.  Here when we have very dry air like that after a  dry cold frontal passage, our dew pints can drop down to 20F like part of yesterday and today, and with calm winds and no cloud cover we get a lot of radiational cooling and are in danger of freezes or getting close to it on nights like that.  So, I am really surprised that you don't get a lot of radiational cooling hard freezes throughout the winter.  Also, you summer time record lows are probably about 15F to 17F lower than our summer time record lows here. What is your average lowest low temp each winter?

John

I'm no sure what the deal is with our weather. I've only recently have been watching and learning more about the local weather because of this palm hobby. 

The next city to the southeast of Coachella is Thermal. From watching the weather maps on the local news every morning you can see how the cold sinks down into that area. Maybe because Thermal's elevation is lower than me it saves us from much of the freak cold.

Those summer times record lows must be something uncommon. I can't remember any cool summer nights here. Ever. I wish I had cool summer nights... even the normal summer lows seem too low on that graph.