Chamaerops humilis location advice? I'm planting right now!

[ParadisePalmTree]

Okay need some opinions where to put my European fan either the pre dug hole that gets light shade most the day from the maple, and the sun rises from left to right, OR right in front of me where the windmill is, this spot gets full sun. Any opinions will be appreciated!

Thanks PalmTalk!

[Monòver]

I am from south Spain, here the willd chamaerops grows in full sun on the top of the mountains and others it is growing in a full shade in pino trees forest.

The chamaerops is like a rock.

For me, the best is full sun.

[ParadisePalmTree]

Nice! Thanks! I finished and when I say light shade I mean light shade, check it out!

How's it look?

[empireo22]

what size is it? and how much did you pay?

you could get another so you have them in both locations?

[Cikas]

That location will be just fine.

Chamaerops humilis likes sun. But they will grow in shade too.

They are very adaptable.

[ParadisePalmTree]

Its actually getting more sun than I thought, look.

One question guys do I prune fronds on it when they begin to die like most palms?

[ParadisePalmTree]

I paid 12 bucks for that little guy

[Cikas]

Its actually getting more sun than I thought, look.

One question guys do I prune fronds on it when they begin to die like most palms?IMG_20150324_151341.jpg

That is more than enough sun for Chamaerops humilis. It will grow nice there.

Yes you can prune fronds when they begin to die.

Fronds of Chamaerops humilis live much longer than fronds of majority other palm species.

You can also plant blue/silver version, Chamaerops humilis var. cerifera.

[ParadisePalmTree]

Wow yeah I want one of those eventually right now I'm at home depot getting a new addition!

[empireo22]

Wow yeah I want one of those eventually right now I'm at home depot getting a new addition!

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does it come with the handbag?

[Jim in Los Altos]

Brock, From a design standpoint, make sure to repeat palm species. Three Chamaerops planted in a triangle twenty feet from each other, for instance, adds harmony to a landscape. You want to avoid too much "one of these" and "one of those" in the garden. It's fine for occasional specimen plants that may be focal points. Also, palm groves are really cool looking and create a lush tropical look. You can create it with cold hardy palms like pindo (Butia). Several of them of different sizes or faster species like queen palms. I use king palms in my garden for grove planting. In other words, get a theme going and create drama. The photos below of parts of my front yard wouldn't be the same with just one king palm.

[SailorBold]

Looks great.. nice job on the stone work too..

[SailorBold]

Brock, From a design standpoint, make sure to repeat palm species. Three Chamaerops planted in a triangle twenty feet from each other, for instance, adds harmony to a landscape. You want to avoid too much "one of these" and "one of those" in the garden. It's fine for occasional specimen plants that may be focal points. Also, palm groves are really cool looking and create a lush tropical look. You can create it with cold hardy palms like pindo (Butia). Several of them of different sizes or faster species like queen palms. I use king palms in my garden for grove planting. In other words, get a theme going and create drama. The photos below of parts of my front yard wouldn't be the same with just one king palm.

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good advice...and hes right.

How long have you been in landscaping design Jim?

[ParadisePalmTree]

I didn't think of that I have a great idea and it really puts some things into perspective for me I was unaware of before, and for that I thank you couldn't really ask for more from a forum, I appreciate all the help!

[_Keith]

High and dry.

[Danilopez89]

Is your dog a blue nose pit bull? I like her pink nails.

[LJG]

Brock, From a design standpoint, make sure to repeat palm species. Three Chamaerops planted in a triangle twenty feet from each other, for instance, adds harmony to a landscape. You want to avoid too much "one of these" and "one of those" in the garden. It's fine for occasional specimen plants that may be focal points. Also, palm groves are really cool looking and create a lush tropical look. You can create it with cold hardy palms like pindo (Butia). Several of them of different sizes or faster species like queen palms. I use king palms in my garden for grove planting. In other words, get a theme going and create drama. The photos below of parts of my front yard wouldn't be the same with just one king palm.

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Jims yard speaks for itself on what he knows. So great advice. But one thing I have learned is that many palms look like another and can be used to trick the novice eye into the same end state Jim is referring too. As palm gardeners, it satisfies our wanting to plant and admire many different species but meets the goal of adding some harmony to the garden.

[_Keith]

Brock, From a design standpoint, make sure to repeat palm species. Three Chamaerops planted in a triangle twenty feet from each other, for instance, adds harmony to a landscape. You want to avoid too much "one of these" and "one of those" in the garden. It's fine for occasional specimen plants that may be focal points. Also, palm groves are really cool looking and create a lush tropical look. You can create it with cold hardy palms like pindo (Butia). Several of them of different sizes or faster species like queen palms. I use king palms in my garden for grove planting. In other words, get a theme going and create drama. The photos below of parts of my front yard wouldn't be the same with just one king palm.

photo-213.JPG photo-62.JPG photo-60.JPG

Jims yard speaks for itself on what he knows. So great advice. But one thing I have learned is that many palms look like another and can be used to trick the novice eye into the same end state Jim is referring too. As palm gardeners, it satisfies our wanting to plant and admire many different species but meets the goal of adding some harmony to the garden.

I made the mistake referred to above. Now, years later I am adding in mass plantings of certain plants to bring it together.

[WestCoastGal]

I know there are single trunked mediterraneans but most of the ones I've seen have pups and will branch out. I think that would look nice for the area that you have it in. Can be quite dramatic looking when mature and with some landscape lighting on it. If you go for that look be sure to plan for the future and give it room to spread the trunks outward and of course keeping in mind that you'll be pruning some fronds with some rather nasty spines on them over time.

[Jim in Los Altos]

Chamaerops are tough, good looking palms and look nice at every stage of their lives. It takes a very long time for them to mature though. I'm talking about the ones with several feet of trunk that are 50+ years old. They are really dramatic. So enjoy yours as a smaller specimen and, if you intend on staying where you are for many years, you'll get to watch it/them slowly mature. I hope you're intending on planting lots of other varieties of palms too. Some are pretty fast growers by comparison.

[LilikoiLee]

Brock, From a design standpoint, make sure to repeat palm species. Three Chamaerops planted in a triangle twenty feet from each other, for instance, adds harmony to a landscape. You want to avoid too much "one of these" and "one of those" in the garden. It's fine for occasional specimen plants that may be focal points. Also, palm groves are really cool looking and create a lush tropical look. You can create it with cold hardy palms like pindo (Butia). Several of them of different sizes or faster species like queen palms. I use king palms in my garden for grove planting. In other words, get a theme going and create drama. The photos below of parts of my front yard wouldn't be the same with just one king palm.

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So true and anyone who is just starting a garden will do well to take your advice. We purchased and planted our first few hundred palms that way and it looks fantastic. We also planted duplicate groups of the same species on opposite sides of the driveway which helped a lot to unify the garden.

Unfortunately, as novice palm people we had no idea how many palms we were going to fall in love with so when things started to get crowded we began purchasing only one of a species. We love those individuals palms but those parts of the garden are far less appealing then the rest of the garden!

Lee

[LilikoiLee]

Nice! Thanks! I finished and when I say light shade I mean light shade, check it out!

How's it look?

Palm looks great! Hope your next picture will include all of your beautiful silver (even more silver than a Chamaerops) dog!

Lee

[LilikoiLee]

Okay need some opinions where to put my European fan either the pre dug hole that gets light shade most the day from the maple, and the sun rises from left to right, OR right in front of me where the windmill is, this spot gets full sun. Any opinions will be appreciated!

Thanks PalmTalk!

Aloha Brock,

Even though I love planting groups of the same species in one place, I wouldn't place three Chamaerops together unless you have a ton of space. Our Chamaerops humilis is GIANT!

We planted it in full sun where it is doing very well with very little water. Unlike most of our palms that get sun from the West it has grown straight without any tilt. The blue color is fantastic. Fortunately their fronds die very slowly because they are mean son-of-a-guns.

Lee

[Hammer]

Brock, From a design standpoint, make sure to repeat palm species. Three Chamaerops planted in a triangle twenty feet from each other, for instance, adds harmony to a landscape. You want to avoid too much "one of these" and "one of those" in the garden. It's fine for occasional specimen plants that may be focal points. Also, palm groves are really cool looking and create a lush tropical look. You can create it with cold hardy palms like pindo (Butia). Several of them of different sizes or faster species like queen palms. I use king palms in my garden for grove planting. In other words, get a theme going and create drama. The photos below of parts of my front yard wouldn't be the same with just one king palm.

photo-213.JPG photo-62.JPG photo-60.JPG

Jims yard speaks for itself on what he knows. So great advice. But one thing I have learned is that many palms look like another and can be used to trick the novice eye into the same end state Jim is referring too. As palm gardeners, it satisfies our wanting to plant and admire many different species but meets the goal of adding some harmony to the garden.

Nice! I was just going to ask about this. Jastin's yard comes to mind as an example of similar palms yielding that grouped impact.

I am trying it here too. By accident really. For example in one corner of my place I have R. glauca, 2 D. leptos, a K. oliviformis, H. indica and C. macrocarpa. I'm hoping that a casual view of that corner will yield what Jim suggests. I'll let you know how the theory plays out in 10 years.

[Phoenikakias]

Chamaerops are tough, good looking palms and look nice at every stage of their lives. It takes a very long time for them to mature though. I'm talking about the ones with several feet of trunk that are 50+ years old. They are really dramatic. So enjoy yours as a smaller specimen and, if you intend on staying where you are for many years, you'll get to watch it/them slowly mature. I hope you're intending on planting lots of other varieties of palms too. Some are pretty fast growers by comparison.

Some Chamaerops forms or cultivars or varieties, or you name them as you like, grow much faster than other forms, trunking varieties tend for example to grow very fast for a Chamaerops, they can be found in the blogs or in literature under the form name elata or arborescens.

[empireo22]

Brock, From a design standpoint, make sure to repeat palm species. Three Chamaerops planted in a triangle twenty feet from each other, for instance, adds harmony to a landscape. You want to avoid too much "one of these" and "one of those" in the garden. It's fine for occasional specimen plants that may be focal points. Also, palm groves are really cool looking and create a lush tropical look. You can create it with cold hardy palms like pindo (Butia). Several of them of different sizes or faster species like queen palms. I use king palms in my garden for grove planting. In other words, get a theme going and create drama. The photos below of parts of my front yard wouldn't be the same with just one king palm.

photo-213.JPG photo-62.JPG photo-60.JPG

Great Advice! thanks Jim!

[Jim in Los Altos]

Brock, From a design standpoint, make sure to repeat palm species. Three Chamaerops planted in a triangle twenty feet from each other, for instance, adds harmony to a landscape. You want to avoid too much "one of these" and "one of those" in the garden. It's fine for occasional specimen plants that may be focal points. Also, palm groves are really cool looking and create a lush tropical look. You can create it with cold hardy palms like pindo (Butia). Several of them of different sizes or faster species like queen palms. I use king palms in my garden for grove planting. In other words, get a theme going and create drama. The photos below of parts of my front yard wouldn't be the same with just one king palm.

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Great Advice! thanks Jim!

You're welcome Alex. And please don't be afraid of how big these Chamaerops get. They are so easy to maintain at one, two, three, or more trunks anytime in their life cycle so repeating these in one garden is striking when they're separated by twenty feet or so but I've seen them much closer together with no ill effects at all. The big ones in my neighborhood (ten feet of trunk or more) are all more than forty years old.

[ParadisePalmTree]

All the advice from everyone is great!

The blue nose pit is my girl (Athina) I call her p, piggy, or pig, she's about 4, BEST mannered pit EVER no joke.

I have tons of yard space, its a cluster of 3, Ill be here forever to enjoy everything.

I get a new palm or 2-3 each more I plan on getting all different kinds for a while as focals then someday down the road.

I'd like to get a bizzy next hopefully, my favorite is just good elo CIDP love em, I'd like to get p. Reclinata, and sylvestris to put near CIDP, I'm a fan of all palms as I've grown to appreciate everything about them. I'm working on the collection I'll post pics as a go along and as things grow. As of today I pre made the hole for the windmill palm, it got dark so I had to stop but I predug the hole and made the soil mixter, I'll post a pic tomorrow, some tips on what to put around it would be appreciated you'll see the space its in.

Athina will be in more pics as well. Next palm I'll plant is my pygmy date in the middle of my hot pokers, it'll look really nice if the deer don't start up again, they've laid off for a few weeks now but during drought they hit hard, I'm up kinda late most the time and try to keep an eye out.

I've read p. Sylvester will of a colorful hue to it? (Don't remember the color exactly) do most all of them have that hue, or do you have to look for the color in the one you purchase? And again Thanks PalmTalk

I'll post some pics in the morning

[ParadisePalmTree]

Chamaerops are tough, good looking palms and look nice at every stage of their lives. It takes a very long time for them to mature though. I'm talking about the ones with several feet of trunk that are 50+ years old. They are really dramatic. So enjoy yours as a smaller specimen and, if you intend on staying where you are for many years, you'll get to watch it/them slowly mature. I hope you're intending on planting lots of other varieties of palms too. Some are pretty fast growers by comparison.

Any suggestions on, dramatic somewhat fast growing species Jim?

[Jim in Los Altos]

Chamaerops are tough, good looking palms and look nice at every stage of their lives. It takes a very long time for them to mature though. I'm talking about the ones with several feet of trunk that are 50+ years old. They are really dramatic. So enjoy yours as a smaller specimen and, if you intend on staying where you are for many years, you'll get to watch it/them slowly mature. I hope you're intending on planting lots of other varieties of palms too. Some are pretty fast growers by comparison.

Any suggestions on, dramatic somewhat fast growing species Jim?

Mule palms are pretty exotic looking. They're a hybrid cross between Queen (Syagrus) and Pindo (Butia) so they're cold hardy and relatively fast growers. Queen palms in your zone would be the fastest growers and when fed and watered well, they are pretty. In your protected shaded areas, King palms (Archotophoenix cunninghamiana) will grow fast if watered often. There are, of course, other faster growing species but they're too tropical in their needs. Also, in your shaded areas, Howea forsteriana (Kentia palm) would be really nice with their droopy coconut-like fronds and Parajubaea torallyi (Mountain coconut) grows moderately fast and has a coconut look as well.

[ParadisePalmTree]

Chamaerops are tough, good looking palms and look nice at every stage of their lives. It takes a very long time for them to mature though. I'm talking about the ones with several feet of trunk that are 50+ years old. They are really dramatic. So enjoy yours as a smaller specimen and, if you intend on staying where you are for many years, you'll get to watch it/them slowly mature. I hope you're intending on planting lots of other varieties of palms too. Some are pretty fast growers by comparison.

Any suggestions on, dramatic somewhat fast growing species Jim?

Mule palms are pretty exotic looking. They're a hybrid cross between Queen (Syagrus) and Pindo (Butia) so they're cold hardy and relatively fast growers. Queen palms in your zone would be the fastest growers and when fed and watered well, they are pretty. In your protected shaded areas, King palms (Archotophoenix cunninghamiana) will grow fast if watered often. There are, of course, other faster growing species but they're too tropical in their needs. Also, in your shaded areas, Howea forsteriana (Kentia palm) would be really nice with their droopy coconut-like fronds and Parajubaea torallyi (Mountain coconut) grows moderately fast and has a coconut look as well.

Nice! Thanks Jim I'll probably start looking at them now as we speak. I've seen them before a bit, my neighbor has a pretty nice. How cold hardy is that mountain coconut? King palm sounds nice, I'll check out the mule some more I'm a big fan of the pindo.

[ParadisePalmTree]

Jim I am curious, why are queens the fastest growers in my area?

[Jim in Los Altos]

Jim I am curious, why are queens the fastest growers in my area?

Queens are fast everywhere they can grow. I can't think of a faster species of palm other than queen palms that is cold hardy in 9b.

[ParadisePalmTree]

Okay cool I'll get a couple at some point I was just curious, the neighbors has grown considerably fast

[Jim in Los Altos]

Here's a 50 year old Chamaerops humilis that I'm having my guys dig from a client's yard which will go to a new client's landscape. The palm was free so I couldn't refuse. I take a picture of its new home when that happens.

[Josh-O]

Nice! Thanks! I finished and when I say light shade I mean light shade, check it out!

How's it look?

looks good

[ParadisePalmTree]

That's an awesome palm, looks extremely healthy, is it planted high?

[ParadisePalmTree]

Thanks josh, I can't wait get a little trunk, I planted my windmill yesterday, and planted my pygmy dates today I need to take some pictures

[Jim in Los Altos]

That's an awesome palm, looks extremely healthy, is it planted high?

That's an awesome palm, looks extremely healthy, is it planted high?

No, not planted high. It's just decades of trimming off the side growths. The homeowner wanted to keep it as a single.

[Phoenikakias]

Jim, does caespitose habit faint with age?