Scot from SC Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Does anyone have information about Trachycarpus princeps? I have heard various temperature thresholds for this palm, and I am assuming that they are prone to spear pull when young like fortuneis. I have fortuneis, waggies, and one takil so far in my Trachycarpus collection and wanted to expand. Thank you in advance my palm tree friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kailua_Krish Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 I have one, its a pretty slow grower and has a few problems with leaves dying early in my area. -Krishna Kailua, Oahu HI. Near the beach but dry! Still have a garden in Zone 9a Inland North Central Florida (Ocala) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scot from SC Posted March 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Hmmm...I am an 8a zone, so I wonder if my winter temperatures would kill it? Are they as hardy as fortunei? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kailua_Krish Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 No clue, sorry! -Krishna Kailua, Oahu HI. Near the beach but dry! Still have a garden in Zone 9a Inland North Central Florida (Ocala) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palm crazy Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Scott, there pretty hardy for me, just a little tender than fortunei when young. But should be ok in 8a. They like to be on the dryer side since all the ones in dry shade for me look perfect. I think its still a pretty new palm that the real cold tolerance has not been tested yet. Try one and see what happens thats all you can do for now. LOL! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scot from SC Posted March 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Thank you my friends. I will try one in a spot with good drainage and overhead canopy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Have had one here in the ground in North Florida for a few years. Slow grower. No problems to speak of from either the heat or the cold. Jason Gainesville, Florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alicehunter2000 Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Mine (3) just went through first winter here..... 21 low on one occasion..... no spear pulls and no real problems. Planted in dappled shade, seam to do better in my sandy soil than fortuni David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a 200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida 30 ft. elevation and sandy soil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 I have seedlings and am very anxious to plant several in the next few years in a cold 8b. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Here's mine 2 Jason Gainesville, Florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 The silvery spotting on the leaves I believe is from the 90' loblolly pine that it is planted under and is probably some form of powdery mildew. It doesn't appear to affect the plants, other than spot the old leaves up. I'll probably hit it with some fungicide in the next few weeks to clean it up. Seranoa and Cabbage palms in natural pine flatwoods are always covered with this stuff. Seems especially bad this spring, probably because of the wet winter we experienced. The silver under the leaves is part of the plant. 1 Jason Gainesville, Florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) This palm does not like water on the leaves are in the growth point... The leaf damage is probably from moisture/cold or possibly sap from the pine that turns to mold over time. These are less hardy than Fortunei and need the spear kept dry as well as the base when small-nice to see yours pulled through! I baby mine more than any other palm but I was late covering (after it snowed)and mine had some moisture in the crown,so it got a little spear damage but does not appear ready to pull. I think the only time to water these like other Trachys is when the temps are 80-95F,they seem to take the heat better than some Trachys until temps approach or exceed 100F. Picture of mine yesterday. Edited March 8, 2015 by Jimhardy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Mondel Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 Princeps' native habitat is very well drained. It requires well drained soil and enjoys an alkaline ph because It grows on limestone rock in the drier mountains of yunnan province in China. 1 Los Angeles, CA and Myrtle Beach, SC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scot from SC Posted March 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Thank you all for the valuable information. I find your insights about how palms fare in your yards much more insightful than just a zone designation. I appreciate all of the comments and information. By the way, the pictures are fantastic and helped me visualize the palm better than a stock photograph on a website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Explorer Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 They grow them even here in The Netherlands and Belgium. And there is a faster growing hybrid available here also. That hybrid should be a nice coldhardy palm for the US I guess. Alexander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnorell Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 I have had one for a number of years up in my Natchez, Mississippi garden (9a). It is in a shady spot (probably too shady), started as basically a seedling or 4in size, and is still relatively small. I never have paid much attention to it, no fertilizer or much irrigation for that matter. It has thrived but it is just a slow, steady grower. Pretty with its unique coloration. Certainly hardier than things like T. oreophilus which I lost two or three times (then gave up), and some of the other less hardy species like T. martianus and its various forms, as they do get leaf-damage at about 20F. But T. princeps has always held up well. I think it is now three times that it has been subjected to 2-3 continuous days of sub-freezing temps with a low of about 18F. Garry Tsen at coldplant in China can give you all the information you might need to know about this species (and its forms) and cultivation requirements, if he happens to see this thread and comment. He is always very helpful on this forum. Michael Norell Rancho Mirage, California | 33°44' N 116°25' W | 293 ft | z10a | avg Jan 43/70F | Jul 78/108F avg | Weather Station KCARANCH310 previously Big Pine Key, Florida | 24°40' N 81°21' W | 4.5 ft. | z12a | Calcareous substrate | avg annual min. approx 52F | avg Jan 65/75F | Jul 83/90 | extreme min approx 41F previously Natchez, Mississippi | 31°33' N 91°24' W | 220 ft.| z9a | Downtown/river-adjacent | Loess substrate | avg annual min. 23F | Jan 43/61F | Jul 73/93F | extreme min 2.5F (1899); previously Los Angeles, California (multiple locations) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kailua_Krish Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Mine keeps having the older leaves die prematurely. They start turning yellow at the outer edges and it rapidly progresses inwards. It only keeps about 2-3 good leaves at a time (but is slowly getting larger). Im not sure why this is happening. I just buried some pieces of concrete around it to try to alkalize the soil just in case that is the cause. -Krishna Kailua, Oahu HI. Near the beach but dry! Still have a garden in Zone 9a Inland North Central Florida (Ocala) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomsDave Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Anyone know how they do in full sun? Let's keep our forum fun and friendly. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Case Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Anyone know how they do in full sun?Dave, I have a small seedling that continues to survive in full sun with lots of water in a sandy, well-drained spot. Its biggest challenge is to survive when my old dog step on it.....and yet a new leaf has emerged. I'll be redoing this area at the end of September and take a photo at that point. It has been in its current spot over 6 months now, taking severe abuse....... John Case Brentwood CA Owner and curator of Hana Keu Garden USDA Zone 9b more or less, Sunset Zone 14 in winter 9 in summer "Its always exciting the first time you save the world. Its a real thrill!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben in Norcal Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 I have four seedlings in full sun, all summer. No issues. Ben RogersOn the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomsDave Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Good! To Know Let's keep our forum fun and friendly. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Heres a picture of mine from August 15,2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Mondel Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Beautiful palm Jim! You must be so proud. How old is your Princeps now? Los Angeles, CA and Myrtle Beach, SC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Thanks When I think of giving up doing all this every year the Princeps and the T.ferns always are the exception..... I would guess that Princeps is going on 8 years? They are a little slow in pots but increase in size and growth speed every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben in Norcal Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 That age looks about right - fairly consistent with the 7-year old potted specimen I picked up last weekend (separate thread on this.) Ben RogersOn the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 I have about 50 1g princeps. I am going to sacrifice one of them this winter to test their 8b (hopefully 9a) survivability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scot from SC Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Please let us know how it fares and what temperature lows/duration it sees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palm crazy Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) One of mine die a few years ago as a one gallon size. It was in the open and the low was 12F for three nights. The other two are in a more protected spot and had no damage and they are drier in those areas since they have overhead canopy. Over head canopy is important for this palm if you have very wet winter and cold temps. So far the remaining two have never show’n any damage, even the tips are perfect, haven’t given them any winter protection either. When they start trunking and are more exposed that will be the real test for me. I think this palm will be super good for dry hot climates, in full sun or shade. Much better than fortunei for those places. Edited August 27, 2015 by Palm crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 That age looks about right - fairly consistent with the 7-year old potted specimen I picked up last weekend (separate thread on this.) I saw that post,that is a real nice palm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 Bump. How are these palms faring for everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DianeMC Posted March 16, 2022 Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 I have had one for 5 years and it's not doing well. I am thinking it's in full sun and it would do better in less sun. I'm going to dig it up and put it in a pot for a while. I'll see if I can post a picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester B Posted March 16, 2022 Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, DianeMC said: I have had one for 5 years and it's not doing well. I am thinking it's in full sun and it would do better in less sun. I'm going to dig it up and put it in a pot for a while. I'll see if I can post a picture. I doubt its the full sun, mine are in the hottest spots in my yard. They seem to be able to handle more sun and drought than other Trachycarpus. One of the best Trachycarpus for California. Are you watering it enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ Posted March 16, 2022 Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 Curious where the poster is. But they do seem to handle Sun pretty well. Around here Trachycarpus is full Sun often don’t look very good. Afternoon shade seems to do them well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted March 16, 2022 Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 2016 was the last year I had the palm....it was spectacular but when photo bucket went from 2.99 to 39.99 a month I said no thanks so no pics of it the following year....I was pretty angry with myself for not saving it at he time....I did dig it up last minute but didn't get hardly any good roots and by mid winter in a pot inside it pulled and that was that- I have started over at a new place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Munk Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 I put two princeps in full sun a year ago. In that time they have only gotten one new frond each and they are both a light green/yellow color. If they don't look better after this season I'm going to move them to get some shade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Simpson Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) I've read that they are as hardy as Fotunei , and I've read that they aren't as hardy , and I've read that the their hardiness isn't known because they are new to being in cultivation and their hardiness isn't known yet ? Mine has seen 4F and 5F without issues but it is in a great microclimate . It's just starting to trunk . Will Mine should get huge this year . I hope it's a female because it is next to a male Nainital . Edited March 17, 2022 by Will Simpson 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad king NC Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 Mine has been unprotected down to 10°F. It has gotten hardier with age and hasn't lost any fronds this yr. I did dig a massive hole ( 4x4x4' ) and fill with good garden soil and grit for drainage. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse PNW Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 21 hours ago, Will Simpson said: ... Mine should get huge this year . I hope it's a female because it is next to a male Nainital . That would be a great looking hybrid. I'm sure you'd have a waiting list of guys wanting to buy seed, myself included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 heres a small T.Princeps x T.Wagnerianus....they are gorgeous and in my opinion(experience) they have for sure lived up to all the expectations of what this cross could bring. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 Forgot to mention....Chad that Princeps is awesome! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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