Largest Copernicia fallaensis in Florida

[bubba]

We are fortunate to have numerous mature and quite large specimens of Copernicia baileyana in Florida. However, after viewing an adolescent Copernicia fallaensis at Fairchild, the nearly blinding nature of the blue-green leaves makes it staggering.

Viewing pictures of mature Copernicia fallaensis in Cuba is mind blowing. I would truly like to see pictures of any Florida growers that have specimens that are larger and more mature than the beautiful specimen at Fairchild. Please post. Thank you

[Kostas]

Are there any fruiting ones in Florida, away from other Copernicia species? Seeds of fallaensis are very hard to come by. The Fairchild specimen was unreal from close indeed. This species is way better even from the impressive baileyana

[Moose]

Andrew has a big one ...

[Zeeth]

Tom Blank (Sonoranfans) has one I think but he never posts anymore. I live close to him so if anyone knows how I can contact him to get a picture let me know.

[Mandrew968]

Andrew has a big one ...

Moose, he is talking about a palm--focus!

[Mandrew968]

Are there any fruiting ones in Florida, away from other Copernicia species? Seeds of fallaensis are very hard to come by. The Fairchild specimen was unreal from close indeed. This species is way better even from the impressive baileyana

No. None are yet mature.

[Mandrew968]

All joking aside, here is one of my three planted, Bubba(not my biggest).

[Mandrew968]

Here is the biggest one at Trek, in Homestead. Still not mature...

[Mandrew968]

I am fairly certain this is the largest in cultivation(privately owned) and one of the nicest, besides Fairchild and Trek which are bigger but not as well taken care of...

[Mandrew968]

Bubba, I just hooked this thread up!

[Zeeth]

Nice! That Chambeyronia next to the biggest one is a nice bonus!

[Gtlevine]

I am fairly certain this is the largest in cultivation(privately owned) and one of the nicest, besides Fairchild and Trek which are bigger but not as well taken care of...

As nice as I have ever seen in cultivation.

[Rory]

That last fallaense you posted is incredible Andrew. Is the person that owns it a forum member? By the way I thought sometime last year that Ryan had mentioned one of Jeff Searle's at the nursery was starting to flower.

[Firepalm]

Thanks for the pics Andrew. Nice job getting someone in there for scale to show just how huge they are. C. Fall is definitely a king among palms. Easily my favorite fan palm.

[Mandrew968]

By the way I thought sometime last year that Ryan had mentioned one of Jeff Searle's at the nursery was starting to flower.

I wouldn't know but would love to see it...

[bubba]

Oh Yeah! Andrew knocked it out of the park! Thank you!

[Rory]

By the way I thought sometime last year that Ryan had mentioned one of Jeff Searle's at the nursery was starting to flower.

I wouldn't know but would love to see it...

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/41101-palms-in-motion-biennial-prep-coverage-of-the-spring-ganza-in-so-flo/

Found the post I was talking about. Look at Post #20 of the link. I'd be curious if any seed set and if Jeff made sure there were no other Copernicia flowering at the same time.

[Mandrew968]

Wow! I am not sure how you found a Copernicia in that huge thread, but I finally found it as well. Rory, I will go ahead and say that was a mistake--the palm is not a fallaensis, in my opinion. Certainly a nice Copernicia, but I am pretty confident in stating it's a baileyana--I would like to encourage further discussion with better photos, but in that particular picture, the leaves are not the right color(not the best indicator), they are not diamond shaped, and the petiole base and petiole armament is not indicative of a Copernicia fallaensis. I sure would be proud of it, if it was mine, though...

[Mandrew968]

How about one more for good measure? A little background: this is from my favorite grower(Mr. Ken Johnson) to my favorite University--The "U".

[Phoenikakias]

I never stop admiring it! It epitomizes on behalf of the fan palms the drier tropics!

PS

Even if this is not true, I do not care, it gives me anyway the impression of originating from the drier tropics!

[Mandrew968]

To me Copernicia fallaensis represents the best a palm grower can do. Oppulent and stately don't even say it all. I am not a poker player, but if I were to make an analogy, fallaensis is a royal straight flush.

[Josh-O]

[virtualpalm]

This is one we installed in a private residence in Palm Beach County a couple years ago.

[Rory]

Wow! I am not sure how you found a Copernicia in that huge thread, but I finally found it as well. Rory, I will go ahead and say that was a mistake--the palm is not a fallaensis, in my opinion. Certainly a nice Copernicia, but I am pretty confident in stating it's a baileyana--I would like to encourage further discussion with better photos, but in that particular picture, the leaves are not the right color(not the best indicator), they are not diamond shaped, and the petiole base and petiole armament is not indicative of a Copernicia fallaensis. I sure would be proud of it, if it was mine, though...

You know originally I had thought it didn't look quite right either, but Ryan's usually pretty reliable when it comes to id's so I figured maybe it was just the picture. Now that you point it out too though I'd agree it does look more like a bailey, regardless definitely not a common sight to see one flowering in SF. I'll have to try and take a better look at it at Searle's sale next week though.

[Zeeth]

This is one we installed in a private residence in Palm Beach County a couple years ago.

Wow! That must have cost a pretty penny.

[virtualpalm]

Yeah, but the new owner can afford it.

BTW, the Copernicia at Searle's being discussed above is likely C. x textilis based on (1) glaucous leaves and (2) flowering at a small size. Just my .02

[bubba]

Downtown Jerome! Fasten your seat belts! Andrew v. Jody and no loser in this field! Makes me want to join the "Dade County Chevy Boyz"!

[avanza]

omg that is Fallaensis

[Josh-O]

This is one we installed in a private residence in Palm Beach County a couple years ago.

Holy (expletive ) that is a gorgeous specimen

[Mandrew968]

Wow! I am not sure how you found a Copernicia in that huge thread, but I finally found it as well. Rory, I will go ahead and say that was a mistake--the palm is not a fallaensis, in my opinion. Certainly a nice Copernicia, but I am pretty confident in stating it's a baileyana--I would like to encourage further discussion with better photos, but in that particular picture, the leaves are not the right color(not the best indicator), they are not diamond shaped, and the petiole base and petiole armament is not indicative of a Copernicia fallaensis. I sure would be proud of it, if it was mine, though...

You know originally I had thought it didn't look quite right either, but Ryan's usually pretty reliable when it comes to id's so I figured maybe it was just the picture. Now that you point it out too though I'd agree it does look more like a bailey, regardless definitely not a common sight to see one flowering in SF. I'll have to try and take a better look at it at Searle's sale next week though.

Rory, last I talked to Ryan, he told me it was a gigas(it's not)... of course we all make mistakes and there could always have been a misunderstanding, as well--with as many palms as there certainly are, on Searle's property, a mix up when talking, is certainly a possible(on either's part).

Baileyana is by no means common, but they are definitely around, like Bubba said--check out this abandonded property I drove by; whoever owned it planted two great specimens a while back and they are super nice and flowering.

[Mandrew968]

Ok, I waited for a little while to see if we would get any more pictures--Jody stepped up and gave us a sweet little gem. I am sure he has more in the nursery... but now it's time to blow this thread away; My friend sent me this picture during the pretour(or post tour) of the IPS biennial--as you all know, the stop was CUBA--the land of the finest palms the world has to offer, in my humble opinion. This was at one of the botanic gardens there and is estimated to be around 100 years old. Like I said, as good as it gets, people.

[Firepalm]

Winner! That thing is amazing. Hope someone somewhere is collecting the seeds!

[Zeeth]

Ok, I waited for a little while to see if we would get any more pictures--Jody stepped up and gave us a sweet little gem. I am sure he has more in the nursery... but now it's time to blow this thread away; My friend sent me this picture during the pretour(or post tour) of the IPS biennial--as you all know, the stop was CUBA--the land of the finest palms the world has to offer, in my humble opinion. This was at one of the botanic gardens there and is estimated to be around 100 years old. Like I said, as good as it gets, people.

Nice! This is definitely a better species than baileyana. It's too bad it's so much more rare.

[Mandrew968]

Ok, I waited for a little while to see if we would get any more pictures--Jody stepped up and gave us a sweet little gem. I am sure he has more in the nursery... but now it's time to blow this thread away; My friend sent me this picture during the pretour(or post tour) of the IPS biennial--as you all know, the stop was CUBA--the land of the finest palms the world has to offer, in my humble opinion. This was at one of the botanic gardens there and is estimated to be around 100 years old. Like I said, as good as it gets, people.

Nice! This is definitely a better species than baileyana. It's too bad it's so much more rare.

I have some...

[Zeeth]

Ok, I waited for a little while to see if we would get any more pictures--Jody stepped up and gave us a sweet little gem. I am sure he has more in the nursery... but now it's time to blow this thread away; My friend sent me this picture during the pretour(or post tour) of the IPS biennial--as you all know, the stop was CUBA--the land of the finest palms the world has to offer, in my humble opinion. This was at one of the botanic gardens there and is estimated to be around 100 years old. Like I said, as good as it gets, people.

Nice! This is definitely a better species than baileyana. It's too bad it's so much more rare.

I have some...

What has your source been? I was under the impression that the Cuban government was restricting seed collection from the small population there.

[Zeeth]

I'm not saying they're impossible to find, just a lot less common than baileyana. I've seen baileyana in random neighborhoods before even this far north where not many people grow rare palms.

[Mandrew968]

Ok, I waited for a little while to see if we would get any more pictures--Jody stepped up and gave us a sweet little gem. I am sure he has more in the nursery... but now it's time to blow this thread away; My friend sent me this picture during the pretour(or post tour) of the IPS biennial--as you all know, the stop was CUBA--the land of the finest palms the world has to offer, in my humble opinion. This was at one of the botanic gardens there and is estimated to be around 100 years old. Like I said, as good as it gets, people.

Nice! This is definitely a better species than baileyana. It's too bad it's so much more rare.

I have some...

What has your source been? I was under the impression that the Cuban government was restricting seed collection from the small population there.

I just said I have some. I have heard that too... I have never been to Cuba, but when I was afforded the opportunity to procure these, I did. I am also glad I have them. Some are for sale, but they are not, "let's make a deal" palms. Can you feel me?

[virtualpalm]

Technically speaking, a palm growing in Cuba does not qualify for the largest in Florida... just saying. With that said, that is a beauty. I doubt that it is 100 years old, though. Those at TREC went from 5' tall to 25'+ in 20 years.

[bubba]

While not in Florida, that specimen in number 31 just moved this game from Downtown Jerome to Downtown Everglades City! Thank you and please do not stop now!

[Mandrew968]

Technically speaking, a palm growing in Cuba does not qualify for the largest in Florida... just saying. With that said, that is a beauty. I doubt that it is 100 years old, though. Those at TREC went from 5' tall to 25'+ in 20 years.

Jody, you are right--just wanted to share. I guess I got carried away--please forgive me! No one knows how old the tree is--which is why I was told 'circa'. Sorry Bubba, for going off topic!