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Perlite only for seed germination

sashaeffer

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sashaeffer

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I've searched and read here on the forums.

Anyone when using baggie method for seed germination use only Perlite in the baggie?

Kostas Grand Master

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I do. Works like a charm when with the correct amount of moisture.

''To try,is to risk failure.......To not try,is to guarantee it''

MattyB Grand Master

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When I do the baggie method I only use 100% perlite.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

sashaeffer Veteran

sashaeffer

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Thanks for the quick replies, I think I will indeed go this route with seed a member sent me.

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Let us know how they grow!

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Will do Dave.

MattyB Grand Master

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You must make sure all fruit is removed. They must be immaculate. Then sterilize, then bathe in a weak fungicide solution. The perlite should appear dry but when the baggie is closed up you'll see condensation form. Drier is better. Watch for fungus. I find the baggie method very difficult due to the fungus.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Alicehunter2000 Grand Master

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This topic is very timely....Matt what method do you find to be better than the baggie method. Also do you all use bottom heat....if so...what kind of heater is best? If not using bottom heat or baggie method....what if it is winter...just wait until summer to community pot plant?

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

sashaeffer Veteran

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You must make sure all fruit is removed. They must be immaculate. Then sterilize, then bathe in a weak fungicide solution. The perlite should appear dry but when the baggie is closed up you'll see condensation form. Drier is better. Watch for fungus. I find the baggie method very difficult due to the fungus.

So don't add any water to bag before closing up? if just using perlite?

MattyB Grand Master

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This topic is very timely....Matt what method do you find to be better than the baggie method. Also do you all use bottom heat....if so...what kind of heater is best? If not using bottom heat or baggie method....what if it is winter...just wait until summer to community pot plant?

I prefer to just use potting soil and keep it in my greenhouse. Admittedly, I don't get as good germination rates as when using the baggie method with heat, but the fungus is less of a problem.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Kostas Grand Master

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It's easy to consistently get good the correct amount of moisture: thoroughly wet 1/3 of the perlite to be used(soak in water and strain it) and mix with 2/3 dry perlite. With this amount of moisture and good seeds, fungal problems seldom occur :)

''To try,is to risk failure.......To not try,is to guarantee it''

MattyB Grand Master

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You must make sure all fruit is removed. They must be immaculate. Then sterilize, then bathe in a weak fungicide solution. The perlite should appear dry but when the baggie is closed up you'll see condensation form. Drier is better. Watch for fungus. I find the baggie method very difficult due to the fungus.

So don't add any water to bag before closing up? if just using perlite?

You have to add water but don't make it wet or moist. You'll add water and mix it up and it'll still appear dry but you know there's water in there.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

sashaeffer Veteran

sashaeffer

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Got it, thanks. I'll be using bottom heat as well.

Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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Bottom heat doesn't always work well with this. This works in ambient temperature

''To try,is to risk failure.......To not try,is to guarantee it''

Alicehunter2000 Grand Master

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What do you use for heat...I don't own a hot water heater...no heat source in the house. Maybe one of those reptile rocks?

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

sashaeffer Veteran

sashaeffer

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What do you use for heat...I don't own a hot water heater...no heat source in the house. Maybe one of those reptile rocks?

Germination mat

Ben in Norcal Grand Master

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This is my set up...100% Perlite, bottom heat using germination mats, inside a plastic container during the winter to bring ambient temps up.

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Ben Rogers

On the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W

My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37

sashaeffer Veteran

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Great idea to put them in container like that. Looks like my wife will have to "donate" one..along with only space I have left to put it..on top of the laundry dryer.

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Great idea to put them in container like that. Looks like my wife will have to "donate" one..along with only space I have left to put it..on top of the laundry dryer.

I just did that yesterday. I have been concerned that the ambient temps aren't high enough - not much germination going on - so it kind of just occurred to me. Oddly, the one thing that is germinating at the minute are the Brahea "Super Silvers." Everything else seems to have slowed down.

Ben Rogers

On the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W

My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37

Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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By heating the box, you raise the ambient temperature in there, which is fine. But by heating the bag only from below, water gets redistributed in there through the cycle of water and end up with areas staying too wet and others too dry -> problems

''To try,is to risk failure.......To not try,is to guarantee it''

Josh-O Grand Master

Josh-O

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this thread has been very educational.

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

Matt in OC Grand Master

Matt in OC

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this thread has been very educational.

Absolutely. I've been using sphagnum with mixed (at best) results. Now I'm looking for some new test subjects to try perlite!

Bigfish Mentor

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In the past I've used perlite for larger seeds like Butia and Jubaea, and instead of a baggie, used a plastic shoebox thingy. Worked great.

Josh-O Grand Master

Josh-O

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this thread has been very educational.

Absolutely. I've been using sphagnum with mixed (at best) results. Now I'm looking for some new test subjects to try perlite!

I never had good results with sphagnum moss. I always had bacteria problems :(

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

Palmdude Mentor

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I need fewer seeds to germinate lol

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