Dypsis decaryi

[rubyz]

Dypsis decaryi, the Triangle Palm, was readily available from a number of local nurseries in my neck of the woods (Central Galilee) up till a few months ago.

Naturally, when it was available, I was interested in acquiring other palms, and when I finally decided to get one - it seemed to disappear into thin air. (Murphy strikes yet again!) Of course I could have traveled a bit to a distant nursery, but my teaching schedule doesn't afford me that option.

    This afternoon, during a break in my schedule, I drove up to a small nursery in a neighboring Arab village to see if they had gotten in any new palms. Low and behold, in one of the central aisles,  a lone d. decaryi, about three and a half feet tall, was standing in all its glory. At least I was pretty sure it was a Triangle. ???  Unfortunately, the owner wasn't present, and left his kid brother (who doesn't know a palm from a citrus tree) to mind the place.  

But fortune smiled upon me, for Little Bro' remembered his big brother's cellphone number. The owner agreed to return to the nursery, and even showed up within 15 minutes.

    Happy was I when he confirmed that the palm was indeed a d. decaryi, and asked only NIS 100 for it. That comes out to less than $24.00!

The palm is small, but already attractive - and when it gets bigger, it's going to be a knockout for sure.

    My next project is to get my hands on a w. bifurcata, which I know is definitely not being sold anywhere in Israel...

[Ortanique]

Reuven,

I am glad you got one. The triange palm is a thing of beauty. The funny thing about D. decaryi is - most people tend to think of it as a common palm. But a year or two ago - this palm was added to Appendix II of CITES making its trade regulated - even for seeds - and thereby elevating its status as well. I mention that specifically because, when something is on Appendix II - most usually seeds are exempted - while rest of the plant parts are included. But as luck would have it - all the Malagasy palm species on Appendix came with a proviso - that included seeds as well. I love the palm - only wish it would grow where i live - tough chance - unless i build a large/tall green house or palmdome.

On the subject of common - Ravenea rivularis is also on Appendix II - but continues to be common :-) :-)

[rubyz]

(Ortanique @ Mar. 15 2007,01:21)

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The funny thing about D. decaryi is - most people tend to think of it as a common palm. But a year or two ago - this palm was added to Appendix II of CITES making its trade regulated - even for seeds - and thereby elevating its status as well. I mention that specifically because, when something is on Appendix II - most usually seeds are exempted - while rest of the plant parts are included. But as luck would have it - all the Malagasy palm species on Appendix came with a proviso - that included seeds as well.

I'm pretty certain that whatever Triangles are available here have been grown from offspring here and not imported as seeds.

    I now have to decide whether to repot it or plant it in the soil; I really don't have enough space left in my garden for another full-sized palm, and I think it should look pretty smashing as a smaller potted specimen.

[Davidl]

I would just buy some foxtail seeds and grow them yourself. They will grow fast if they can get moisture heat and of couse humidity will help. I don't know exactly how much humidity you have there but it might make a difference. But hey I would still try. . Israel is a beautiful country and I hope to go there again soon.I was there in 2000 but havent been back since. good luck.

[Ortanique]

Reuven,

You could be right about the source of those plants and seeds. It could all be second or even third generation seeds/plants from within Israel. People like Ed and Ami have been doing this for a living for so long. So i wont be surprised if it came from one of their own trees.

[Tad]

There has been a new shelter for unwanted triangle palms set up in the lower rio grande valley of Tx.

This not for profit shelter is designed for neglected and unwanted triangles.

Any one who has or knows of any unwanted triangle palms should contact the director of this rescue nursery.

he is a DEVOTEE of the nth level a true triangles triangle of Dypsis decaryi palm lover.

He has been known to post on this board.

you can find him in the member section for contact info.

he is mildly famous and wildy devoted to triangle palms.

give richtrav a call. he will come and rescue your unwanted triangle palms!!

[rubyz]

(Davidl @ Mar. 15 2007,02:22)

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I would just buy some foxtail seeds and grow them yourself. They will grow fast if they can get moisture heat and of couse humidity will help. I don't know exactly how much humidity you have there but it might make a difference. But hey I would still try. . Israel is a beautiful country and I hope to go there again soon.I was there in 2000 but havent been back since. good luck.

The patience necessary in growing seeds is just not one of my virtues. I have been trying to germinate p. dactylifera, but I really don't care if I fail since I already have 3 specimens. The foxtail, however, is another matter entirely.

    Should you plan a trip to Israel, you're invited (seriously) to stay, at least for part of your trip, by me. You can e-mail me with details whenever you decide to go.

[rubyz]

(Ortanique @ Mar. 15 2007,02:53)

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Reuven,

You could be right about the source of those plants and seeds. It could all be second or even third generation seeds/plants from within Israel. People like Ed and Ami have been doing this for a living for so long. So i wont be surprised if it came from one of their own trees.

I'm almost certain that all the palms sold in Israel are Sabras (natives). Not to brag, but Israel is among the two or three most agriculturally advanced countries in the world!

[rubyz]

(palmotrafficante @ Mar. 15 2007,03:16)

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give richtrav a call. he will come and rescue your unwanted triangle palms!!

Sounds good. I'll trade him a triange for a foxtail.

[BobbyinNY]

Reuven,

I have (3) Triangles.. one of them is about 7ft tall now and the others are small (2ft)... They have been growing like crazy.. This is a beautiful palm.. I love the color of it.

[Ortanique]

Bobby, A 7 footer will do me proud. I love triangles too. Only problem is - i have to relocate or build a palmetum to grow one - and you know how easy that is :-)

Reuven, I just remembered this - i know of a nurseryman in India who produces triangles by the thousands - all from seed produced from his own tree. This gentleman is a retired policeman, in his early 80s, but passionate about the 18 acres he has and the plants he produces out of that. I have always wondered how he came upon a triange - so far back - to be in a position to produce seeds, and hence plants, now. Because, India is not one of the top 10 palm savvy countries in the world and the knowledge of unique flora is just catching up with laymen - ofcourse academics have been at it for years now. And this nursery is way out of the mainstream locations/cities. The nearest metropolitan city is about 300 miles away - which is a lot by the Indian standards that existed about 20 years ago. Beats me. But he continues to do what he does and is doing his bit to spread the palm flavor in India. God bless his soul!!

[rubyz]

(BobbyinNY @ Mar. 15 2007,21:35)

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Reuven,

I have (3) Triangles.. one of them is about 7ft tall now and the others are small (2ft)... They have been growing like crazy.. This is a beautiful palm.. I love the color of it.

If mine grows to 7 feet in a pot, I'll be in big trouble!

I'd either have to sell it or buy a new place with a bigger garden.

    I also like the color - and the shape, too.  I have placed palms at my entrance, in my living room, on my patio and in my garden - and I'm just about out of room!

[rubyz]

(Ortanique @ Mar. 15 2007,22:43)

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Reuven, I just remembered this - i know of a nurseryman in India who produces triangles by the thousands - all from seed produced from his own tree. This gentleman is a retired policeman, in his early 80s, but passionate about the 18 acres he has and the plants he produces out of that. I have always wondered how he came upon a triange - so far back - to be in a position to produce seeds, and hence plants, now. Because, India is not one of the top 10 palm savvy countries in the world and the knowledge of unique flora is just catching up with laymen - ofcourse academics have been at it for years now. And this nursery is way out of the mainstream locations/cities. The nearest metropolitan city is about 300 miles away - which is a lot by the Indian standards that existed about 20 years ago. Beats me. But he continues to do what he does and is doing his bit to spread the palm flavor in India. God bless his soul!!

Sounds like this fellow is independently wealthy, and just does what he loves.

    I sure hope I get to that status by the time I'm 80!

    If I had the money and time, I would start up a campaign to tree-line my town's streets - with a different species of palm on each street!

[aussiearoids]

Reuven

[aussiearoids]

Reuven , start sowing seeds and donate the spares to your town for avenue plantings . I have never seen a row of triangles , well grown they would be fantastic .

They do not do well here in the wet tropics , the large crownshafts end up holding to much water and just rot out , especially after borers drill holes there .

They grow much better in dry tropical areas or down in the sub-tropics , saw a very impressive one in Childers , it had a trunk like a Cuban Royal .

[BobbyinNY]

Bobby, A 7 footer will do me proud. I love triangles too. Only problem is - i have to relocate or build a palmetum to grow one - and you know how easy that is :-)

Joseph,

You're in the SF-Bay area, right? ... Won't a triangle grow outdoors there? I mean even though you don't get alot of heat in the summer, it never really gets much below 40-45f from what I understand.

[rubyz]

(aussiearoids @ Mar. 16 2007,14:00)

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Reuven , start sowing seeds and donate the spares to your town for avenue plantings . I have never seen a row of triangles , well grown they would be fantastic .

They do not do well here in the wet tropics , the large crownshafts end up holding to much water and just rot out , especially after borers drill holes there .

They grow much better in dry tropical areas or down in the sub-tropics , saw a very impressive one in Childers , it had a trunk like a Cuban Royal .

The problem with seeds (for me, at least) is that it requires some measure of patience, which I totally lack. Just for the hell of it, I planted a few p. dactylifera seeds a couple of weeks ago, just to see if anything would happen - but I don't really care if I fail since I already have 3 nice specimens.

    As for donating seeds to the municipality, I think they might plant them in their small nursery, but I'm not too optimistic they would plant the mature palms. Unfortunately, trees and flowers are planted on avenues and roadways only if there is a wide lane divider; otherwise, nothing. Even in most residential neighborhoods, no provisions are made on sidewalks for any kind of vegetation; the city "reasons" that the private gardens facing the sidewalks provide all the greenery needed! If we had here sidewalks treelined with various species of palm, the town would be the jewel of the Middle East.

[RRONNIE]

Ruven - You should see RaAnana - this municipality plant even Bottle palms in street side walks - that - in addition to triangles and "ringed palms" - not just Wash. and Kokus palms.

Hod Hasharon municipality does/behave very well (as far as palms) too.

And they collaborate with me, when i express my will to plant my Excess Palms in the municipal garden beds next/near my house.

I don't see why Karmiel muni. will not collaborate with you - if you come up with the palms, and all the have to do is to set an irrigation system.... ?

Ronnie

[rubyz]

(RRONNIE @ Mar. 16 2007,20:51)

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Ruven - You should see RaAnana - this municipality plant even Bottle palms in street side walks - that - in addition to triangles and "ringed palms" - not just Wash. and Kokus palms.

Hod Hasharon municipality does/behave very well (as far as palms) too.

And they collaborate with me, when i express my will to plant my Excess Palms in the municipal garden beds next/near my house.

I don't see why Karmiel muni. will not collaborate with you - if you come up with the palms, and all the have to do is to set an irrigation system.... ?

Ronnie

Ronnie, I'm really glad you have that kind of influence in your city.

I didn't say the Karmiel Municipality wouldn't collaborate with me - just that they wouldn't plant seeds!

There are some areas around my building where I could go on a planting binge (provided I could afford all of the palms!. For one thing, there is a large area facing our building's private parking lot, which presently contains two tall trees and loads of weeds. Nobody has tended to this space up till now (except that I make sure it's clean) and I could make it into a palm showcase. There is also a low rockery extending the length of the entrance side of the parking lot which presently has two bushes and many weeds. If the soil is deep enough, I could plant a modest number of palms there. Finally, my own garden is adjacent to a clinic's parking lot (which is actually owned by the municipality), which is walled off from my garden, but which has a long border about a meter in width which could be planted with many palms.

    I'm reasonably sure the Municipality wouldn't object, but I have to inquire as to whether they would pay for the palms (I'd be glad to do all the work gratis).

[Davidl]

rubyz just wondering who the other two countrys that rank up there with Israel in agriculture . Do you know which they are ? just curious. Heres a pic of my small foxtails Im growing.

[RRONNIE]

Ruven

Good luck - hope you will succeed

I think the Bamboo guy has some success with your municipality - or maybe he is just spreading his "Tora" as a private mission in public land.

RONNIE

[RRONNIE]

(rubyz @ Mar. 15 2007,20:57)

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Not to brag, but Israel is among the two or three most agriculturally advanced countries in the world!

I would say that USA and Israel are among the leading three (the third don't come up right now) in modern/advanced agriculture.

Israel has hundreds - if not thousands of experts around the world - mostly in third world countries, South America and Far East countries - teaching and helping in the introduction and the implementing of modern and efective agriculture.

Sorry for barging in to the subject, but i know soeMthing about it and i know of many Israelies in this line of work/mission.

Ronnie

[rubyz]

(RRONNIE @ Mar. 17 2007,02:59)

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I would say that USA and Israel are among the leading three (the third don't come up right now) in modern/advanced agriculture.

Israel has hundreds - if not thousands of experts around the world - mostly in third world countries, South America and Far East countries - teaching and helping in the introduction and the implementing of modern and efective agriculture.

Sorry for barging in to the subject, but i know soeMthing about it and i know of many Israelies in this line of work/mission.

So do I. I grow the best damned oranges, graprefruit and lemons in the country!

[rubyz]

(Davidl @ Mar. 17 2007,01:18)

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rubyz just wondering who the other two countrys that rank up there with Israel in agriculture . Do you know which they are ? just curious. Heres a pic of my small foxtails Im growing.

Very niece Foxtails - thanks for the pic.

As for the world's most agriculturally advanced countries, see Ronnie's post above. ::

[Kris]

Dear guys  

try to call a palm by their common name,since i missed this

thread thinking that it was a discussion on areca palm

type.

but after opening the thread i was surprised to see that the

discussion is of triangle palm.

here is my triangle palm for you !

and hey in your signature the star of david that is seen in your

country flag simply rocks.

i wish to see more visuals from your part of the world.

Love,

Kris(India).

[rubyz]

(krisachar @ Mar. 17 2007,17:17)

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Dear guys  

try to call a palm by their common name,since i missed this

thread thinking that it was a discussion on areca palm

type.

but after opening the thread i was surprised to see that the

discussion is of triangle palm.

here is my triangle palm for you !

and hey in your signature the star of david that is seen in your

country flag simply rocks.

i wish to see more visuals from your part of the world.

Hi Kris,

I have a simple idea concerning the palm names: at the beginning of a post, one should present both the common and Latin names of the palm in question. In that way, everyone's in the know, and those unfamiliar with the Latin can become familiar with it.

    When I began buying palms here in Israel, I had an extra problem, since quite often there is a Hebrew nickname for a species in addition to the Latin and common English names. For example, a. alexandrae, the King Alexander Palm, is called "the ring palm" in Hebrew.

    You have a good-looking little Triangle; mine is just about the same size, maybe a few centimeters taller.

    I'm glad you like our flag; I wish more folks had good things to say about our country!

[RRONNIE]

Hi Kris - thank for the warm words.

Here is a shot (taken 10 minutes ago - evening here) of my triangle palm for you - which i planted in the garden-bed (Aruga - in Hebrew), in the street, next to the entrance of my own yard - since, no place for this wide palm in my yard.

Bless you,

Shalom,

Ronnie

[RRONNIE]

And another angle- looking at the entrance of my yard.

The orange color of the edges is from the street lamp, hanging over this palm (on the blue pole).

Ronnie

[Davidl]

I think all countrys have beauty and there are good people in all but there are only three places I would like to own a home and they are USA (Florida) ,Israel (North)  and Ecuador (Guayaquil). My heart is in all three countrys and then I can have all the palms I desire to grow. I will post my triangle (Dypsis decaryi) later to stay on topic.

[RRONNIE]

Made a mistake - see next...

Ronnie

[RRONNIE]

Hi David - Long time ago, for 6 beautiful years i tested (and tasted) Uncle Sam's great land  (as a traveller - 41 states - all major cities - allllll national parks - and as a foreign student - Florida International University, Miami - and as a family "start up" - my first born was born in Long Beach, Ca.) - Well i can go on and on - but, my point: i'll go for: 6 monthes (per year) in Israel and 6 months in the GREAT EMPIRE of U.S. of A - and, mind you: January & February in Montana/Wyoming (Ahhhhaaa Yellostone...) - roaming the "WHITE STUFF" with  a RED, RED, RED SNOWMOBILE (well, it can be black - i dont mind).

Who about that ?????

Ronnie

[Kris]

Thanks guys for those lovely stills of triangle.

and you guys are preety fast and i like that,

it reminds me of my good collague days !  

and as for your country goes all the jew biblical leaders

quoted in the testaments are my favouriates_like david,

moses,joshua,salamon...

and pray god that peace returns to your country & india from

the terriost memace...

May the force be with us !

Kris(India)  

[RRONNIE]

Thanks Kris

May the force, wisdom and good luck be with both our countries, and also with the rest of the world.

If only political leaders gave it (their "zero" efforts) up and it was given to palms lovers (common people) to make peace....

Ronnie

[Kris]

Dear Friend  

I fully agree with you on the above statement !

Love,

Kris  

[wendisplantation]

I must agree as well, If palm lovers ruled there would be no problems, just love and generosity, and Palms EVERYWHERE!!!!!!   AAA-HA-HA-HA  (please kindly excuse my outburst, see signature below for explanation)

Oh yeah.....

and all the triangles are so beautiful!! Foxtails too...Reuven, the Foxtails don't take long, 2-3 months or so mine took to germ in baggie with no added heat. If you're at all like me, every hour is   agony  waiting for signs of germination....LOL

Your P. dactylifera should pop anytime.

[gavilan1]

Well, so much for my personal avatar ??? .  It took me a good while in Photoshop to get the avatar above just the way I wanted it, and now there it is.  Now I've got to use something that I'm sure no one else will want to use...a mug shot (but there still is a little Cocos just behind and below me    )