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Dypsis Mirabilis (candy cane)palm question

sashaeffer

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Have had this Candy Cane palm for almost a year now and it's been a steady thrower of new leaves so seems to be happy. I keep it damp, and in a pebble tray with water to keep humidity up.

It seems though the fronds don't have decent consistent green color like they are almost striped. Palm sits in front of a large East facing window so wasn't sure if it was getting too much sun?

Anyone here with experience with these growing inside offer any feedback? maybe it's normal for this species, maybe it needs more shade?

Scott

Omaha, NE USA

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Kim Grand Master

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Let me preface this by saying I do not grow palms indoors. That said, this understory Dypsis is going to like steady warmth and humidity along with bright indirect light. I grow it in "full sun" in East Hawaii where cloud cover is the norm about 60% of the time, humidity is steady between 70 to 90%, rainfall is plentiful, and drainage is perfect. If you can duplicate that indoors, this palm will be a relatively fast grower and at maturity a prodigious producer of seed. You've yet to see the beautiful reddish crownshaft which will develop with size, a distinct attribute of this charming species.

Your plant doesn't look 100% healthy with that striping in the leaves, but I can't make a diagnosis from the photo. Check to be sure the roots are not sitting in standing water, but never let the roots dry out completely. Perhaps more indirect sunlight would help, but I am only guessing.

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No experience with this species but it doesn't look to happy to me just an observation. Something I do when I have a Palm not meeting my expectations is experiment, try different things to find out what it likes and dosent. If it crokes in the process there's always more. Do the research and find out everything about its natural habitat. Hope this helps good luck

Palmaceae Grand Master

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To me it looks like spider mite damage, have you looked under the leaves?

Lived in Cape Coral, Miami, Orlando and St. Petersburg Florida.

Jeff Searle Grand Master

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You beat me to the punch....it appears your palm is loaded with spider mites.

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and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

sashaeffer Veteran

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This palm does seem to attract spider mites as I can see the webs between the V's of the fronds. I typically use a Q tip in alcohol to clear away the web and use Neem oil spray on a micro fiber cloth to wipe down the leaves. I don't really see any mites on the fronds themselves along with spraying the bark chips that surround the base of the palm. Humidity around the area that I keep my tropical s is around 60%.

I avoid spraying/misting the fronds of any palm as I've seen it do more harm than good as far as fungus and spotting, and that is using RO or distilled water as well.

I didn't know if it was suffering from any nutrient deficiency even though I use Carl Pool's palm fertilizer.

Like I mentioned it seems to be a good grower as the spears push pretty fast so must be happy in that regard.

I do appreciate all the replies.

I'll see how the newest frond looks when it opens soon, as that might indicate a clue.

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richnorm Grand Master

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I'd say mites due to low humidity. I'd drench in neem mixed with DE for good measure. You will need to repeat to break the life-cycle. I don't know your climate but a spell outside in the warmer months may be of great benefit just be careful to give it plenty of shade. For now you could stand it over (not in) a saucer of water.

Pando Grand Master

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Here's how to get rid of spider mites - drown them. Take a container (trash can, etc.) and fill it with room temperature water. Immerse the whole plant into it, with the pot. Make sure that every part remains under water, and tap the leaves under water to get all air bubbles out. Keep it like that for 90 minutes or so. Then remove it and wipe under the leaves clean. Let the plant dry in a well ventilated area. You can also use the opportunity to repot the plant after that with new soil.

The plant will the fine, but the mites won't survive. You may have to repeat it after a few weeks to ensure all colonies are wiped out.

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sashaeffer Veteran

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What's funny is the Pelagodoxa Henryana and the Dwarf Betal Nut palm next to it look just fine(and no webs)

DoomsDave Grand Master

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SA:

Some plants just get spider mites more than others, and there isn't always any accounting for exactly why.

That said, lest us know if the "ducking" treatment works for your plant. Others will have the same problem at some point.

Wow, Dypsis indoors! You are the man!

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Thanks. I only pat myself on the back when the tropical/high maintenance make it and grow for a year.

I have a Ptychosperma Schefferi that is a spider mite magnet as well, yet ....none of the other tropical species around it show nary a web on any stem or frond...thankfully.

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Update: After new frond opened up nice and green it quickly started to turn like others a faded green almost striping look. Not to mention the new frond seemed to have lost a bit of moisture even though palm watered well and in higher humidity setting.

while I didn't see any webs and I couldn't see any mites with the naked eye, I did get out a magnifying glass and with that could see what looked like very tiny moving "dots" on the palm. This palm in particular has tiny "v's" on the fronds almost like a Joey palm does, but these are smaller. Although not deep, they are there so maybe part of what is attractive to mites to live in.

SO....took palm to shower and with hand held sprayer sprayed off top and bottom of fronds. Will let dry and then spray with Neem oil.

Question: should I let Neem oil spray stay on fronds? or should I spray off after it sits on there for a while? What I have is a 3 in 1 product, but do have straight Neem oil as well.

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DoomsDave Grand Master

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Duck it again. Maybe a couple of hours, tapping to remove the bubbles.

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Can't dunk it, as I don't have a trash can

Is spraying off the fronds with sprayer not enough? I can do it a few times if need be.

Josh-O Grand Master

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leave the Neem oil on. The oil suffocates the mites and scale. If you wipe it off it wont help you much

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

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Pando Grand Master

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With the size palm you have, you can just use a large plastic bag. Just make sure everything gets submerged for 30-60 minutes.

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Does the GREEN color return to the fronds that lost their color once the mites are gone?

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DoomsDave Grand Master

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How's your Dypsis mirabilis?

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Josh-O Grand Master

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yes, do tell

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sashaeffer Veteran

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Died, never really dealt with spider mites before and learned he hard way. Wasn't able to score a replacement when I was visiting Josh's place this summer either.

Now all indoor palms get sprayed with insecticide on a monthly basis and so far no more issues.

Josh-O Grand Master

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Died, never really dealt with spider mites before and learned he hard way. Wasn't able to score a replacement when I was visiting Josh's place this summer either.

Now all indoor palms get sprayed with insecticide on a monthly basis and so far no more issues.

Scott, I have more i'm gonna shift into 1 gal pots soon. you get first dibs :) 

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

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Danilopez89 Veteran

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Maybe you should have dunked it...

 

 

 

 

 

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DoomsDave Grand Master

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Died, never really dealt with spider mites before and learned he hard way. Wasn't able to score a replacement when I was visiting Josh's place this summer either.

Now all indoor palms get sprayed with insecticide on a monthly basis and so far no more issues.

sigh

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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Died, never really dealt with spider mites before and learned he hard way. Wasn't able to score a replacement when I was visiting Josh's place this summer either.

Now all indoor palms get sprayed with insecticide on a monthly basis and so far no more issues.

Scott, I have more i'm gonna shift into 1 gal pots soon. you get first dibs :) 

Great! keep me posted, although might have to wait until spring.

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