Not asleep, really!

[MarkF]

I met some fabulous folks at the recent HIPS 40th Anniversary BBQ and Hula gathering. What a great time and thanks to all of you I met for welcoming me into the community. I was asked a few times why I've not posted things here for a while. I thought I'd share my reply as there are folks I've met here who were not at the HIPS gathering.

The short answer is that, until there's a change to the Terms of Service, I'm not comfortable posting either photos or links to photos as this would mean me giving up perpetual ownership of those images and any images on the linked site. I'm sorry if this is a disappointment, but I flatter myself with any perceived interest in my odd photos.

But I would like to let you know that I am documenting the progress here regarding restoration and new building, it's just that I will do this on Google Plus Communities and Facebook. Both these services, which are mirrors of each other, are called Project Ho'oponopono. So, if you use FB just search for the Project Ho'oponopono page and 'like' it and you will get our updates on your timeline. Likewise, for Google+ users, just search for the Project Ho'oponopono Community (not to be confused with the Project Ho'oponopono PAGE which owns the community) and there you will see the same thing, only with a prettier interface. All the photos are there and blog updates (including photos from the 2004 IPS Biennial visit). If you elect to follow the Project Ho'oponopono community within Google+ you will also get all our updates on your Google+ timeline. Whichever way you go, you can of course comment on anything you see and in the G+ Community version you can even create your own threads if you decide to join the community.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience but this is the most comfortable way for me to share our journey. Of course, if the PT terms of service change, I'll reconsider posting links/images.

a dopo,

M

[LilikoiLee]

Hi Mark.

Since Mike tracked down your garden images and information I thought you're posted a link from PT. I apologize for my mistake. We'll be following your progress with great anticipation.

Lee

[cobra2326]

Mark,

Thanks for sharing. I'm currently enjoying your photography on Google+! Well done!

- Jon

[WestCoastGal]

Totally understand and am in agreement with you and others over the photo TOS. I'm by no means a big contributor here but find glombing onto rights of others' photos deporable. I've considered sharing more of my garden as it grows but won't do so under these terms. Shame too because I feel the new TOS only hurts the forum and has me questioning renewal of membership when it comes up as I don't support these policies.

That BBQ looked like a funtime and you guys had a really nice turnout.

Best of luck with the project.

[Perito]

I too will refrain from posting photos until the TOS is modified.

[ErikSJI]

I follow you on facebook. Great stuff. It is a shame about the new TOS.

[LJG]

I met some fabulous folks at the recent HIPS 40th Anniversary BBQ and Hula gathering. What a great time and thanks to all of you I met for welcoming me into the community. I was asked a few times why I've not posted things here for a while. I thought I'd share my reply as there are folks I've met here who were not at the HIPS gathering.

The short answer is that, until there's a change to the Terms of Service, I'm not comfortable posting either photos or links to photos as this would mean me giving up perpetual ownership of those images and any images on the linked site. I'm sorry if this is a disappointment, but I flatter myself with any perceived interest in my odd photos.

But I would like to let you know that I am documenting the progress here regarding restoration and new building, it's just that I will do this on Google Plus Communities and Facebook. Both these services, which are mirrors of each other, are called Project Ho'oponopono. So, if you use FB just search for the Project Ho'oponopono page and 'like' it and you will get our updates on your timeline. Likewise, for Google+ users, just search for the Project Ho'oponopono Community (not to be confused with the Project Ho'oponopono PAGE which owns the community) and there you will see the same thing, only with a prettier interface. All the photos are there and blog updates (including photos from the 2004 IPS Biennial visit). If you elect to follow the Project Ho'oponopono community within Google+ you will also get all our updates on your Google+ timeline. Whichever way you go, you can of course comment on anything you see and in the G+ Community version you can even create your own threads if you decide to join the community.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience but this is the most comfortable way for me to share our journey. Of course, if the PT terms of service change, I'll reconsider posting links/images.

a dopo,

M

Hi Mark, great work on the restoration project.

One thing I would like to point out is that the IPS Terms have the same coverage as Google and Facebook. This was confirmed by two actual lawyers in the field. It might be written differently but they say eventually the same thing. I am confused on how you won't post content on a free non-profit website, but you will use it to tell us about your project on Google and Facebook - two of the largest privacy invaders on the Internet. Last I checked the IPS isn't mining your browsing history. Not to mention those two are for profit corporations.

Here is Google Plus Content License:

"When you upload or otherwise submit content to our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to develop new ones. This license continues even if you stop using our Services (for example, for a business listing you have added to Google Maps). Some Services may offer you ways to access and remove content that has been provided to that Service. Also, in some of our Services, there are terms or settings that narrow the scope of our use of the content submitted in those Services. Make sure you have the necessary rights to grant us this license for any content that you submit to our Services."

With that being said I saw the changes to the IPS Terms and it addresses the two biggest issues. I have had no time to find out when they will be updated but thanks to Justin (a lawyer) here on the forums, his work helped change the Terms to address the two biggest issues people had. The proposed updated Terms remove "Sell, Resell" wording, and they won't be counted retroactively.

Hopefully those in charge update the Terms soon as there are a few long time posters that are missed.

[Cindy Adair]

Since I am postponing any additional reasons to spend non-work time on computers until after we retire, Palmtalk is my only active forum.

So right now I miss out on all your (probably very interesting) photos and updates. I also miss several other long time posters' great photos. I'm excited about the new, revised (perhaps kinder, gentler?) version of the terms of service so I can again enjoy the full range of talent here!

Thanks to all those directly involved and everyone else who is passionate on the subject for your continued patience.