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slim trunk mule

Tropicdoc

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Tropicdoc

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In everyone's opinion, what is the source for butyagrus that has a slim trunk. I want the coconut look, of course, and a stout trunk detracts from that look. So, what butia mother, what hybridizer would be the best to go with?

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Grow it in the shade. It will thin the trunk out.

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I will be doing some Butia Odorata x syagrus Amara this year. I am hoping it gives the palm a more coconut look to it.

_Keith Grand Master

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Grow it in the shade. It will thin the trunk out.

Doc has no shade. But the Mule I have for him spent its first few years in the shade growing and it is pretty stretched out.

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In everyone's opinion, what is the source for butyagrus that has a slim trunk. I want the coconut look, of course, and a stout trunk detracts from that look. So, what butia mother, what hybridizer would be the best to go with?

yatay x syagrus would be my choice... Butia Yatays are taller with somewhat thinner trunks... Patrick shafer hybridizes them. But variable genetics mean that you may have to find the right mix...

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

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a stand of yatays

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Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

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use lytocarium as mother...

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a stand of yatays

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I have a mule hybridized from Yatay. Trunk is nice and stout. I I also has a tad more of a Parajub look than a standard mule.

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Thanks everyone! Erik, I think we already discussed the Amaras mules. I am salivating at that thought. Don't know what kind of cold hardiness they will have, but I bet they will be nice looking. Keith I am gonna come see your yatay mule this spring, and also survey the wreckage from the arctic vortex.

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Thanks everyone! Erik, I think we already discussed the Amaras mules. I am salivating at that thought. Don't know what kind of cold hardiness they will have, but I bet they will be nice looking. Keith I am gonna come see your yatay mule this spring, and also survey the wreckage from the arctic vortex.

My garden is half the garden it used to be, literally. This spring will not be pretty. But it'll all be good again by fall, and hopefully a mild winter this time.

In my post I sometimes express "my" opinion. Warning, it may differ from "your" opinion. If so, please do not feel insulted, just state your own if you wish. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or any other damages

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The S. amara mule should be very cool. It'd be even cooler if the Butia parent was a yatay.

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

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I suspect that the form of the mule comes from the parent queen form. There are shuttle cock queens with larger trunks and shuttle cock crown, and there are thinner queens with a more broad, coconut like crown. You need to shop around with different hybridizers to find the right form. My all time favorite form of mule is the one sold by Tropics nursery in Gilroy, the trunk is still pretty straight up, but the crown is so open it makes them look super coconutty. This is what theirs look like:

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Axel at the Mauna Kea Cloudforest Bioreserve

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Not a great picture, but as you can see, no damage on the Mules. The 'yatay' Mule is the more upright on in the back.

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That picture that Axel posted is the all time best mule I've seen. Like I told him, if I knew they'd all mature like that I would have already planted 4 or 5 of them!

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Not a great picture, but as you can see, no damage on the Mules. The 'yatay' Mule is the more upright on in the back.

Keith,

Where did you get the yatay mule? I was unaware than any hybridizers in florida were using yatays... I remember asking mark heath and Eric and both said they don't. I also hear that Moultrie farms doesn't use yatay for hybridization. I couldn't even find a butia yatay in florida, had to get mine at jungle music in California.

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

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That upright mulie in the back looks nice Keith.

I dont see em w/out the recurve....

First one...

-Ray.

Brandon, FL

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Zone9 w/ canopy

_Keith Grand Master

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Not a great picture, but as you can see, no damage on the Mules. The 'yatay' Mule is the more upright on in the back.

Keith,

Where did you get the yatay mule? I was unaware than any hybridizers in florida were using yatays... I remember asking mark heath and Eric and both said they don't. I also hear that Moultrie farms doesn't use yatay for hybridization. I couldn't even find a butia yatay in florida, had to get mine at jungle music in California.

It came from a collector in Houston. He moved to another part of the country and sold his collection. I got all of my Mules (prior to last month's purchase from Mike) and my Jubutia from him.

In my post I sometimes express "my" opinion. Warning, it may differ from "your" opinion. If so, please do not feel insulted, just state your own if you wish. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or any other damages

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Not a great picture, but as you can see, no damage on the Mules. The 'yatay' Mule is the more upright on in the back.

 

 

Keith,

Where did you get the yatay mule? I was unaware than any hybridizers in florida were using yatays... I remember asking mark heath and Eric and both said they don't. I also hear that Moultrie farms doesn't use yatay for hybridization. I couldn't even find a butia yatay in florida, had to get mine at jungle music in California.

 

 

It came from a collector in Houston. He moved to another part of the country and sold his collection. I got all of my Mules (prior to last month's purchase from Mike) and my Jubutia from him.

Don't Triode, show us some pictures!

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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While we're waiting for Keith to post his photos (Keith?...), I can't resist sharing this photo of a mule palm that I saw in Tallahassee earlier this month.  I already posted it on a different thread, but it's so nice that I want to post it twice. As you can see, it is surrounded by two other smaller mule palms, but they haven't really started to show their mature characteristics yet.  The large mule palm in the middle has already taken on a personality of its own (click to enlarge).  

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IMO If you want more coconut look, Dnt use Butia as mother anymore. However, using Syagrus as a mother, you might get better results, getting an approach to the aesthetics of a coconut tree. For example, i would use: Syagrus botryophora x Butia ( it can be fast), S. schizophyla x Butia, S. santosii x Butia  and Lytocariums x Butia, etc...... In other hands, if u want a hardy coconuty mule, you could  try "Bujubaea" in them.

 

 

 

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