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Which forum will you be moving to?

Mauna Kea Cloudforest

By Mauna Kea Cloudforest
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Mauna Kea Cloudforest Grand Master

Mauna Kea Cloudforest

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Since the IPS is clearly demonstrating that they have little interest in properly evolving their online presence, and as Len pointed out, the IPS is apparently not all that interested in its membership at large, perhaps the time has come to find a new home.

Trying to control a large organization that isn't interested in us seems like a futile exercise. I am glad to cast my vote for the right people, but even that information hasn't been made available.

It seems the best alternative is to move to a decent forum that is very close to PalmTalk, and that is Palmpedia. I haven't tried it out yet, but I am going to now. I am going to start cross posting on both sites for a while to see how it feels. Perhaps if enough people do it, we will gain critical mass on Palmpedia and we can forget about PalmTalk. It seems a much easier thing to do as opposed to getting the IPS to change the way they do things. The former just involves signing up for an account with Palmpedia and starting to use it. The latter involves a bunch of politics which are going to be quite ugly.

The advantage of PalmPedia is that it can evolve forward without all the nasty politics that seem to be involved with all these types of plant organizations. And it's got a Wiki, which PalmTalk doesn't have.

This is a link to my first post:

http://www.palmpedia.net/forum/showthread.php?3960-Moving-from-PalmTalk-to-PalmPedia&p=43549#post43549

Axel at the Mauna Kea Cloudforest Bioreserve

On Mauna Kea above Hilo. Koeppen Zone Cfb (Montane Tropical Cloud Forest), USDA Hardiness Zone 11b/12a, AHS Heat zone 1 (max 78F), annual rainfall: 130-180", Soil pH 5.

Click here for our current conditions: KHIHILO25

Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax) Veteran

Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax)

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Axel, if I nominated you, would you accept? You seem to have some great ideas how to make palmtalk better. I'm sure between you and Dean, it'd be fantastic.

Land O Lakes FL, a suburb on the North Side of Tampa, FL

Summers are great, 90f/32c in the day & 70f/21c at night with plentiful rain & sun

Winters are subtropical with occasional frosts and freezes. Tropical cyclones happen.

We have a few Royal palms in the warm microclimates but Coconuts freeze.

I am a Kayaker, Hiker, Bicyclist, and amateur Photographer that loves the outdoors.  

Shirleypalmpaws Community Regular

Shirleypalmpaws

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Yes Axel! Get a PalmTalk grassroots growing to topple ivory towers!

Shirleypt.png

There are several mature Wodyetia bifurcata in my neighborhood--that helps determine my zone, right? :blink:

Mauna Kea Cloudforest Grand Master

Mauna Kea Cloudforest

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Axel, if I nominated you, would you accept? You seem to have some great ideas how to make palmtalk better. I'm sure between you and Dean, it'd be fantastic.

Of course, I love PalmTalk and would love to do anything to save it. But I am also feeling not so optimistic having no visibility or contact with the people who run the IPS.

Axel at the Mauna Kea Cloudforest Bioreserve

On Mauna Kea above Hilo. Koeppen Zone Cfb (Montane Tropical Cloud Forest), USDA Hardiness Zone 11b/12a, AHS Heat zone 1 (max 78F), annual rainfall: 130-180", Soil pH 5.

Click here for our current conditions: KHIHILO25

Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax) Veteran

Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax)

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I understand your concern, but if you were on the BOD, then we'd have someone that'd be out here with IPS Palmtalk members. Your experience would be invaluable. Its time to expand the expertise of the IPS BOD.

Land O Lakes FL, a suburb on the North Side of Tampa, FL

Summers are great, 90f/32c in the day & 70f/21c at night with plentiful rain & sun

Winters are subtropical with occasional frosts and freezes. Tropical cyclones happen.

We have a few Royal palms in the warm microclimates but Coconuts freeze.

I am a Kayaker, Hiker, Bicyclist, and amateur Photographer that loves the outdoors.  

_Keith Grand Master

_Keith

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There are 30 something members on the board. You'll need 10 to 15 more Axel's to add to the half dozen or so board members who are actually active on FB.

In my post I sometimes express "my" opinion. Warning, it may differ from "your" opinion. If so, please do not feel insulted, just state your own if you wish. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or any other damages

joe_OC Grand Master

joe_OC

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The financial and time commitment to being on the board is the biggest obstacle for most people to be active.

Huntington Beach, CA

USDA Zone 10a/10b

Sunset Zone 24

Gtlevine Grand Master

Gtlevine

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Palmpedia is a great sight. If IPS goes under, that will be the perfect place to pic up the pieces.

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Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

LJG Grand Master

LJG

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There are 30 something members on the board. You'll need 10 to 15 more Axel's to add to the half dozen or so board members who are actually active on FB.

No you don't. Some pro PT BODs didn't go either. Look at Dave.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

SanDimas Rising Star

SanDimas

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Guys.

Let me know where youre moving to....

I will follow.

I haven't read all the post that has transpired this week

and I have no clue whats going on.

Ive been a member since November of last year

and I thought the IPS and PT were the same?

I really enjoy the rapor and personalities of PT

and if you guys decide to bail...I will follow.

:bemused:

Milos Srejic Community Regular

Milos Srejic

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I registered on palmpedia today, so I will be there if something goes wrong here...

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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I've been "cross-pollinating" on Palmpedia for a few years. It's the same format, meaning that it's a forum, but the moderators are much more lax over there so not as much sensorship. The only reason that I've stayed with PalmTalk as my primary forum is because of the amount of users here makes it a fast and full forum. If these BODs don't lay off they are just going to push us all away and Palmpedia will gain critial mass, like Axel said, and then PalmTalk will cease to exist.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Funkthulhu Mentor

Funkthulhu

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Palmipedia

Bananas.org

Garden Web

Dave's Garden

There are a lot of places to go, if not as useful/informative as here. Any port in a storm I guess. . .

"Ph'nglui mglw'napalma Funkthulhu R'Lincolnea wgah'palm fhtagn"
"In his house at Lincoln, dread Funkthulhu plants palm trees."

joe_OC Grand Master

joe_OC

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Facebook: Paul Craft is a Director here, but he has his own palm page on Facebook that he regularly posts pics/information in. Yet, he rarely, if ever posts on here...

I am just pointing this out...I would go to palmpedia.

Huntington Beach, CA

USDA Zone 10a/10b

Sunset Zone 24

_Keith Grand Master

_Keith

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I really like Dean and Palmpedia, but it is a one-man show. FB is almost the same, from a management point of view. For longevity, there needs to be an organization behind it, and it must be a platform independent strategy, not a single person or platform (website.) With appropriate safeguards, I could totally see a CEA (Cooperative Endeavor Agreement) between IPS and Palmpedia (Dean) that would meet the needs of all. If minds are open, all things are possible.

In my post I sometimes express "my" opinion. Warning, it may differ from "your" opinion. If so, please do not feel insulted, just state your own if you wish. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or any other damages

SanDimas Rising Star

SanDimas

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Im pretty loyal and don't like to move.

I hope all goes well and hoping for the best.

Such an abundance of information

and personalities on this site.

Cheers

palmislandRandy Grand Master

palmislandRandy

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I would gladly donate my IPS membership dues to Palmpedia or whichever site continues this forum. :)

"If you need me, I'll be outside" -Randy Wiesner Palm Beach County, Florida Zone 10Bish

Silas_Sancona Grand Master

Silas_Sancona

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Im pretty loyal and don't like to move.

I hope all goes well and hoping for the best.

Such an abundance of information

and personalities on this site.

Cheers

Agree with you on being a loyal member here who does not want to see PT sink. Even so, I also contribute to Dave's Garden, Cloud Forest Café, and have PT on my personal FB page. Have been coasting around Xeric forums, and Palmpedia for the last couple years as well. Will soon be joining both, regardless of the outcome here. Love this forum and DON"T want to see it fade away.

-Nathan-

Moose Grand Master

Moose

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I would gladly donate my IPS membership dues to Palmpedia or whichever site continues this forum. :)

Hmmm, thoughts from a long time IPS member - too bad the BOD is not listening ... <_<

Many members will remain mute, but follow in Randy's foot steps.

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

Cindy Adair Grand Master

Cindy Adair

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I moved my response to the pinned topic...

Cindy Adair

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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None. PalmTalk isn't going anywhere.

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

richnorm Grand Master

richnorm

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Where is the PM archive? Do we lose all our old messages as well?

Milos Srejic Community Regular

Milos Srejic

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Where is the PM archive? Do we lose all our old messages as well?

Well, yes.

_Keith Grand Master

_Keith

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None, you can continue to find me right here, and on the other forums where I participate as well.

In my post I sometimes express "my" opinion. Warning, it may differ from "your" opinion. If so, please do not feel insulted, just state your own if you wish. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or any other damages

PALM MOD Grand Master

PALM MOD

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I really like Dean and Palmpedia, but it is a one-man show. FB is almost the same, from a management point of view. For longevity, there needs to be an organization behind it, and it must be a platform independent strategy, not a single person or platform (website.) With appropriate safeguards, I could totally see a CEA (Cooperative Endeavor Agreement) between IPS and Palmpedia (Dean) that would meet the needs of all. If minds are open, all things are possible.

Keith - again - and again with all due respect. I can think and chew gum at the same time. It has already been proposed. It was proposed 8 years ago. And it was left on the table at that time. And I just reminded them again that the option still exists.

You see, I think this would be better as a "one man show." The hours to run it would be drastically reduced. Immediate decisions - no hours of discussion for a simple change. None of this BOD crap. And it would be much more open and not worried about keeping everything absolutely squeaky clean and only palms all the time. A few co-mods and a self policing atmosphere could have things run smoothly in a fraction of the time it takes now. But somebody might see a naughty word, or somebody might stray off-topic, or somebody may show a sexy pic every once in a while. And IMO it wouldn't be the end of the world if it happened.

Thanks to those of you who help make this a fun and friendly forum.

Jerry@TreeZoo Grand Master

Jerry@TreeZoo

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But somebody might see a naughty word, or somebody might stray off-topic, or somebody may show a sexy pic every once in a while. And IMO it wouldn't be the end of the world if it happened.

But I would never do that.

So many species,

so little time.

Coconut Creek, Florida

Zone 10b (Zone 11 except for once evey 10 or 20 years)

Last Freeze: 2011,50 Miles North of Fairchilds

tropicalb Mentor

tropicalb

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dean...

what's going on now is EXACTLY the reason why i never joined the IPS....i knew this day would come, i just didn't think it would take so long.

PALM MOD Grand Master

PALM MOD

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dean...

what's going on now is EXACTLY the reason why i never joined the IPS....i knew this day would come, i just didn't think it would take so long.

Hey Burt - for the first time in a long time I am feeling somewhat optimistic. I sensed that the tide may have turned somewhat today. If I am correct, things may slowly improve, and a year or two from now we may surprise you and even myself. At least the seeds are there for some beneficial change. So hopefully we can earn your membership in the near future. :)

Thanks to those of you who help make this a fun and friendly forum.

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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Opalmatalk and the IPS tea party, quite a read of late. :)

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

PALM MOD Grand Master

PALM MOD

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Opalmatalk and the IPS tea party, quite a read of late. :)

I think that is almost political. :)

Thanks to those of you who help make this a fun and friendly forum.

Shirleypalmpaws Community Regular

Shirleypalmpaws

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Opalmatalk and the IPS tea party, quite a read of late. :)

I think that is almost political. :)

It almost is too. Ironically, it could be as accurately said, the Party Teas vs. the InfoPalmaSolipsists.....but saying it Wal's way won't put you on a gov watch list. :yay:​ Whoops, did I just get myself put on a gov watch list.....arg. I was kidding!

Here's all the best of the best wishes for the PT and IPS, all the very best!! :wub:

Shirleypt.png

There are several mature Wodyetia bifurcata in my neighborhood--that helps determine my zone, right? :blink:

palmmermaid Veteran

palmmermaid

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I really like Dean and Palmpedia, but it is a one-man show. FB is almost the same, from a management point of view. For longevity, there needs to be an organization behind it, and it must be a platform independent strategy, not a single person or platform (website.) With appropriate safeguards, I could totally see a CEA (Cooperative Endeavor Agreement) between IPS and Palmpedia (Dean) that would meet the needs of all. If minds are open, all things are possible.

Keith,

That last sentence says it all. Big "If" and lots of closed minds = nothing gets done.

Palmmermaid

Kitty Philips

West Palm Beach, FL

Mauna Kea Cloudforest Grand Master

Mauna Kea Cloudforest

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Now that the riot is over, we can all put out the fires, stop looting, and start the cleanup. Hopefully a few internet savy new board members will be voted in, and Dean working with the current BOD will even bring about some improvements on PalmTalk.

Axel at the Mauna Kea Cloudforest Bioreserve

On Mauna Kea above Hilo. Koeppen Zone Cfb (Montane Tropical Cloud Forest), USDA Hardiness Zone 11b/12a, AHS Heat zone 1 (max 78F), annual rainfall: 130-180", Soil pH 5.

Click here for our current conditions: KHIHILO25

Cindy Adair Grand Master

Cindy Adair

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If every IPS member who read the recent posts just voted then it would be a big help.

I know it's awkward to have to use a stamp and the post office, but until it can change that's the way to do it.

Watch your Palms insert for a ballot.

Cindy Adair

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