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Posted

Either you can grow them in your local or you can't. Enough about growing coconuts already. It is just one of many palms. Blah blah the big nuts. In the grand scheme of palms, who cares, it is not the holy grail. What say you?

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Posted

i say experiment a bit if you like but its most satisfying to grow what does well for you.

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

Posted

Been there killed that. Like Paul said I find myself enjoying the ones that grow well for me. Love my big sabal, sure it's not flash like many other palm but man it grows fast and seems to get bigger every day. Coconuts shmoconuts.....are they still on sale at hd?

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

Posted

Do I plant more when there are many everywhere in Puerto Rico? No, I'm forced to pull up the germinating babies or I'd have no space for anything else. If I didn't have them already I would have planted some though.

Would I wish that they all disappear from the island so I could plant other palms? No!!! They are lovely and symbolic and useful, etc.

Will I try to grow them in Virginia? No.

Will I continue to grow cacao and allspice and vanilla vine in Virginia? Yes.

If it's fun and does no harm and can inspire a lifelong hobby, go for it! It's not like coconuts are an endangered species. Now if I were rich enough and wanted to waste a double coconut by planting it in my Virginia greenhouse, that would be sad. In fact, I wish I had the double coconuts I saw germinating in greenhouses in Chicago. If they were all on my PR farm there would be the potential for reproduction or at least not growing through the glass ceiling.

Cindy Adair

Posted

Absolutely Yes! The beach would not be the same without them. Keith, why do they bother you so much?

Peter

Peter

hot and humid, short rainy season May through October, 14* latitude, 90* longitude

Posted

Not everyone has the same tastes. I love growing them and enjoy the coconut threads, it's my favorite palm. I could say the same to the queen palm threads that show up but I don't because I know they're the most tropical thing that some people can grow.

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

Posted

YES

I have always had a penchant for the Coconut palm. I must have one or two, if they will grow for me, and they will, albeit slowly.

If they won't grow for you, I say obtain something similar, such as Beccariophoenix and even the ubiquitous Kentia palm, Howea forsteriana.

Coconut

She moved onto the floor,

Like a coconut sways in a storm,

I watched her from the bar,

Where the punters began to swarm,

The waltz became a tango,

The floor was sticky with beer,

I turned to leave the dance hall,

When she whispered in my ear,

I love your aloha assemblage,

Then she got closer to me,

Her hands moved over my shoulders,

She squeezed my coconut tree,

I said I must be going,

She said you cannot leave,

I began to walk from the bar,

she tore the coconut off my sleeve,

The strobes were spinning blindly,

Loud sounds of Talking Heads,

I promised I'd never return,

To where my coconut was left in shreds.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

Posted

Congratulations, Keith, you started yet another coconut thread.

The coconut is the washingtonia of the tropics. Everyone has their preferences, but I suspect the desire to grow a coconut is inversely proportional to how common it is, just like queen, washingtonia and canary date palms. A coconut is of interest to Southern Californians the same way a washingtonia is of interest to Pacific Northwesterners. The folks in the Pacific Northwest long for sunny California, and some Californians long for the tropics. (The palm migration route leads to the equator.)

Personally, I prefer a coconut over a queen, but I suspect that if I lived in Hawaii, the interest in coconuts would probably wane within a few months, and ironically, growing a washingtonia might actually become more interesting. I did see some Washingtonia in the West side of Maui, they actually did look cool there because their presence was so unusual. They grew in hot dry places were nothing else would grow, not even pritchardia.

Finally there is the climate thing - a coconut in California doesn't look so good in the same way that a washingtonia grown in a cool climate just doesn't rival the beautiful washingtonia you find in the inland empire of Southern California. There's no point in growing something rare and unusual if it will also be ugly because the climate isn't right.

Axel at the Mauna Kea Cloudforest Bioreserve

On Mauna Kea above Hilo. Koeppen Zone Cfb (Montane Tropical Cloud Forest), USDA Hardiness Zone 11b/12a, AHS Heat zone 1 (max 78F), annual rainfall: 130-180", Soil pH 5.

Click here for our current conditions: KHIHILO25

Posted

Blah blah blah

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

Posted

I plan on interplanting them along my 900' driveway just cause. :mrlooney: (plus I like coconut milk and macaroons) So I say YES!

But mostly cause I'm terrified of the Ipomea aquatic police. :bemused:

Posted

Yeah, I get trying to grow something that doesn't grow in your area, but Coconuts are all too common, here and are actually very dangerous! I have around 300 species just in my frontyard. I have ZERO coconuts on my property--they are just too common for me to justify having one in the ground... I do have a red spicata in a 5gal but I am not sure if I will ever plant it.

Posted

I totally agree with Jeff Searle.... Here in Bolivia people are obsessed with coconut palms, I know not why... There are so many interesting palms that can grow here and most people insist on... "I think i will plant a..... coco..!!.."

I like them... I have two here in my garden, very fast growers... But not that interesting...

Posted

You must be bored, Keith. I feel like you are toying with us... ;)

Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

Posted

Oh and coconut oil... YUM! Nothin better than fresh eggs cooked in coconut oil!

Posted
  On 9/25/2013 at 12:36 PM, Peter Pacific said:

Absolutely Yes! The beach would not be the same without them. Keith, why do they bother you so much?

Peter

No bother at all Peter, here in Zone 9a, even in the best microclime they are clearly out of reach. However, folks in the marginal zones seem obsessed.

  On 9/25/2013 at 4:28 PM, Jeff Searle said:

Blah blah blah

Coconut Palm, the Queen Palm of the Tropics?

  On 9/25/2013 at 4:40 PM, PiousPalms said:

I

But mostly cause I'm terrified of the Ipomea aquatic police. :bemused:

Me too.

  On 9/25/2013 at 5:43 PM, Kim said:

You must be bored, Keith. I feel like you are toying with us... ;)

You caught me.

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Posted

IMO my favorite palm. Can't plant enough of them, see enough of them, or watch them swaying.

Coconuts are the 'foundation' of all palms, IMO.

Just ask anyone who is unfamiliar with palms. They always point to a coconut....or yucca, or banana, or dracena palm. ROFLOL.

Rick Leitner

Fort Lauderdale, Florida

26.07N/80.15W

Zone 10B

Average Annual Low 67 F

Average Annual High 84 F

Average Annual Rainfall 62"

 

Riverfront exposure, 1 mile from Atlantic Ocean

Part time in the western mountains of North Carolina

Gratefully, the best of both worlds!

Posted
  On 9/25/2013 at 11:32 PM, TikiRick said:

IMO my favorite palm. Can't plant enough of them, see enough of them, or watch them swaying.

Coconuts are the 'foundation' of all palms, IMO.

Just ask anyone who is unfamiliar with palms. They always point to a coconut....or yucca, or banana, or dracena palm. ROFLOL.

LMAO, And don't forget the Traveler's Palm, and the most famous and universally known palm of them all, the SAGO palm.

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Posted

O coconut palm is a beautiful palm, but I like some other less common palms better. Satakentia are much prettier than cocos to my eye, as are the big copernicias. I prefer the looks of a few dozen palm species to cocos, but I can understand somebody wanting to have cocos... To me cocos look best right on the beach next to pale blue water....

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

Posted

I think the rarity/novelty factor is part of the reason for my extreme fascination with coconut palms, however, I also feel that well grown specimens are beautiful. I even like looking at "okay" looking Cocos. I was down in South Beach the last couple days, and I found myself wondering if I would get tired of seeing them if I lived someplace like this where they are ubiquitous. I don't think I would. As an aside, Miami Beach is incredibly tropical, and looks absolutely nothing like the Orlando area. I was especially struck by the difference on this trip there and back. Even most of the non-introduced/landscaped vegetation in the West Palm Beach area is warm temperate. In Miami, almost all the trees/shrubs are tropical.

The challenge of growing these in here in Orlando is part of the appeal. All you have to do is provide protection for a night or two a year, most years. Some years, a Cocos here requires no protection at all. We are tantalizingly close to being able to have long term healthy Cocos here. The coldest the metro area has been in the last 12 years has been 27F. For downtown, it is the prolonged cold events like January 2010 that will do them in.

Posted
  On 9/25/2013 at 3:59 PM, Axel in Santa Cruz said:

Congratulations, Keith, you started yet another coconut thread.

The coconut is the washingtonia of the tropics. Everyone has their preferences, but I suspect the desire to grow a coconut is inversely proportional to how common it is, just like queen, washingtonia and canary date palms. A coconut is of interest to Southern Californians the same way a washingtonia is of interest to Pacific Northwesterners. The folks in the Pacific Northwest long for sunny California, and some Californians long for the tropics. (The palm migration route leads to the equator.)

Personally, I prefer a coconut over a queen, but I suspect that if I lived in Hawaii, the interest in coconuts would probably wane within a few months, and ironically, growing a washingtonia might actually become more interesting. I did see some Washingtonia in the West side of Maui, they actually did look cool there because their presence was so unusual. They grew in hot dry places were nothing else would grow, not even pritchardia.

Finally there is the climate thing - a coconut in California doesn't look so good in the same way that a washingtonia grown in a cool climate just doesn't rival the beautiful washingtonia you find in the inland empire of Southern California. There's no point in growing something rare and unusual if it will also be ugly because the climate isn't right.

"The coconut is the washingtonia of the tropics" Great one. Sorry I missed it earlier, but we were obviously thinking along the same lines, when I said "Queen palm of the Tropics."

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Posted

The coconut palm to me symbolizes the tropics. I have liked the tropics since I was a young kid. I'm not obessed with coconut palms, but I do like them. When I was in the U.S. Navy I got to spend a lot of time in the Caribbean (during the winter months!), plus I was also stationed in Key West, Florida.

When my wife and I moved to Lake Placid, Florida, it wasn't with the intention of growing palms. But once here I did take an interest in them. I was very surprised to find some coconut palms growing here, but they were growing around the lakes where winter nighttime temperatures are warmer.

I decided to try to grow a coconut palm. However, it wasn't to be. I think both coconut palms I had got killed the first winter. My zone is 9b for all intents and purposes, but a cold 9b in terms of winter lows.

I decided one more time to try and grow a coconut palm. I knew I had warm average temperatures and respectable wintertime heating -- if I could get past the 2-3 days each winter that would kill my coconut palm. I decided I would protect my coconut palm on the coldest nights. For the first few years I could totally bundle and cover my palm, along with providing it some supplemental heat using thermostatically controlled heating cables.

Once my palm's canopy got too big and stiff to bundle, I just wrapped the trunk and meristem with heating cables and then wrapped a mover's blanket around the trunk. The fronds would get mostly defoliated but the trunk took no cold damage. The way I figure, it would be like cutting all of the fronds off of a healthy palm. As long as there was enough starch in the trunk and root system, a new canopy would grow. That has been the case with respect to my coconut palm.

I planted my coconut palm in the spring of 2003. I think it was a 7 gallon size at most. It's been a very slow grower for me. After more then 10-1/2 years it only has 52" of clear trunk. I have no idea what variety my coconut palm is.

The satisfaction for me is to have palm species that no one else in my neighborhood has. The coconut palms that once were in my neighborhood were killed from the prolonged cold in 2010. Mine survived because I protected the trunk. Further, I had my all-time low (radiational freeze) of 20.8 degrees in December of 2010. So protecting the trunk and meristem is what saved this palm.

Below are two photos. The first photo was taken about a year after I first planted it. The second photo is how my coconut palm looks today.

Coconut7-1-04_zpsc9ef20cc.jpg

Coconutpalm9-25-13_zps716a5d8a.jpg

Mad about palms

Posted
  On 9/26/2013 at 2:03 AM, Walt said:

The coconut palm to me symbolizes the tropics. I have liked the tropics since I was a young kid. I'm not obessed with coconut palms, but I do like them. When I was in the U.S. Navy I got to spend a lot of time in the Caribbean (during the winter months!), plus I was also stationed in Key West, Florida.

When my wife and I moved to Lake Placid, Florida, it wasn't with the intention of growing palms. But once here I did take an interest in them. I was very surprised to find some coconut palms growing here, but they were growing around the lakes where winter nighttime temperatures are warmer.

I decided to try to grow a coconut palm. However, it wasn't to be. I think both coconut palms I had got killed the first winter. My zone is 9b for all intents and purposes, but a cold 9b in terms of winter lows.

I decided one more time to try and grow a coconut palm. I knew I had warm average temperatures and respectable wintertime heating -- if I could get past the 2-3 days each winter that would kill my coconut palm. I decided I would protect my coconut palm on the coldest nights. For the first few years I could totally bundle and cover my palm, along with providing it some supplemental heat using thermostatically controlled heating cables.

Once my palm's canopy got too big and stiff to bundle, I just wrapped the trunk and meristem with heating cables and then wrapped a mover's blanket around the trunk. The fronds would get mostly defoliated but the trunk took no cold damage. The way I figure, it would be like cutting all of the fronds off of a healthy palm. As long as there was enough starch in the trunk and root system, a new canopy would grow. That has been the case with respect to my coconut palm.

I planted my coconut palm in the spring of 2003. I think it was a 7 gallon size at most. It's been a very slow grower for me. After more then 10-1/2 years it only has 52" of clear trunk. I have no idea what variety my coconut palm is.

The satisfaction for me is to have palm species that no one else in my neighborhood has. The coconut palms that once were in my neighborhood were killed from the prolonged cold in 2010. Mine survived because I protected the trunk. Further, I had my all-time low (radiational freeze) of 20.8 degrees in December of 2010. So protecting the trunk and meristem is what saved this palm.

Below are two photos. The first photo was taken about a year after I first planted it. The second photo is how my coconut palm looks today.

Coconut7-1-04_zpsc9ef20cc.jpg

Coconutpalm9-25-13_zps716a5d8a.jpg

Go Walt! Your coconut is doing well, yours is totally worth the trouble.

Axel at the Mauna Kea Cloudforest Bioreserve

On Mauna Kea above Hilo. Koeppen Zone Cfb (Montane Tropical Cloud Forest), USDA Hardiness Zone 11b/12a, AHS Heat zone 1 (max 78F), annual rainfall: 130-180", Soil pH 5.

Click here for our current conditions: KHIHILO25

Posted

Our only hope up here is with a dedicated hybridizer crossing Cocos with Butia for instance. I've seen the threads regarding such a possible success and, if it can be done, I'll be first in line with my checkbook for a seedling. Wishful thinking, maybe but something to fantasize about. My B. alfredii are doing very nicely and my P. torallyi are trunking and they will have to satisfy my Cocos lust meanwhile as will my baby Jubeaopsis cafra. By the way, I've killed about a half dozen Cocos. I managed to keep one alive for three years, however, without bringing it inside but it was too much work for a sickly looking plant most of the year.

Jim in Los Altos, CA  SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level

zone 10a/9b

sunset zone 16

300+ palms, 90+ species in the ground

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Posted
  On 9/26/2013 at 4:16 AM, Jim in Los Altos said:

Our only hope up here is with a dedicated hybridizer crossing Cocos with Butia for instance. I've seen the threads regarding such a possible success and, if it can be done, I'll be first in line with my checkbook for a seedling. Wishful thinking, maybe but something to fantasize about. My B. alfredii are doing very nicely and my P. torallyi are trunking and they will have to satisfy my Cocos lust meanwhile as will my baby Jubeaopsis cafra. By the way, I've killed about a half dozen Cocos. I managed to keep one alive for three years, however, without bringing it inside but it was too much work for a sickly looking plant most of the year.

I will be crossing p. cocoides with cocos nucifera, but so far, mine is only pushing out one influorescence a year thanks to the fact that I am on a West Facing hillside, it gets too much shade after Sept to really bloom more. So waiting until next year to do cross. At least I won't have to worry about suffen death syndrome.

Axel at the Mauna Kea Cloudforest Bioreserve

On Mauna Kea above Hilo. Koeppen Zone Cfb (Montane Tropical Cloud Forest), USDA Hardiness Zone 11b/12a, AHS Heat zone 1 (max 78F), annual rainfall: 130-180", Soil pH 5.

Click here for our current conditions: KHIHILO25

Posted

The Coconut screams tropical.............I have 6 planted in my yard (5 Golden Malay Dwarfs and one local tall variety). They grow and fruit extremely well here but very few people have them in their gardens. This is possibly due to the fact that local nurseries hardly ever have them.....that is where I fill the gap, in fact a lady is coming this afternoon to pick up an advanced (6ft high) coconut from me. In short I love them !!

Andrew,
Airlie Beach, Whitsundays

Tropical Queensland

Posted
  On 9/26/2013 at 4:39 AM, Axel in Santa Cruz said:

  On 9/26/2013 at 4:16 AM, Jim in Los Altos said:

Our only hope up here is with a dedicated hybridizer crossing Cocos with Butia for instance. I've seen the threads regarding such a possible success and, if it can be done, I'll be first in line with my checkbook for a seedling. Wishful thinking, maybe but something to fantasize about. My B. alfredii are doing very nicely and my P. torallyi are trunking and they will have to satisfy my Cocos lust meanwhile as will my baby Jubeaopsis cafra. By the way, I've killed about a half dozen Cocos. I managed to keep one alive for three years, however, without bringing it inside but it was too much work for a sickly looking plant most of the year.

I will be crossing p. cocoides with cocos nucifera, but so far, mine is only pushing out one influorescence a year thanks to the fact that I am on a West Facing hillside, it gets too much shade after Sept to really bloom more. So waiting until next year to do cross. At least I won't have to worry about suffen death syndrome.

Interesting cross, Axel but I still wonder about cold hardiness since P. cocoides isn't nearly as hardy as Butia and a Cocos cross would need all the help it can get in order to survive California temperatures. Good luck with that cocoides cross. It would make a very attractive palm I'm sure.

Jim in Los Altos, CA  SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level

zone 10a/9b

sunset zone 16

300+ palms, 90+ species in the ground

Las Palmas Design

Facebook Page

Las Palmas Design & Associates

Elegant Homes and Gardens

Posted

There are not many palms that will grow right on the beach and the coconuts frame the sunset...gotta love 'em!

post-2997-0-50550800-1380209131_thumb.jp

Peter

Peter

hot and humid, short rainy season May through October, 14* latitude, 90* longitude

Posted
  On 9/26/2013 at 2:03 AM, Walt said:

The coconut palm to me symbolizes the tropics. I have liked the tropics since I was a young kid. I'm not obessed with coconut palms, but I do like them. When I was in the U.S. Navy I got to spend a lot of time in the Caribbean (during the winter months!), plus I was also stationed in Key West, Florida.

When my wife and I moved to Lake Placid, Florida, it wasn't with the intention of growing palms. But once here I did take an interest in them. I was very surprised to find some coconut palms growing here, but they were growing around the lakes where winter nighttime temperatures are warmer.

I decided to try to grow a coconut palm. However, it wasn't to be. I think both coconut palms I had got killed the first winter. My zone is 9b for all intents and purposes, but a cold 9b in terms of winter lows.

I decided one more time to try and grow a coconut palm. I knew I had warm average temperatures and respectable wintertime heating -- if I could get past the 2-3 days each winter that would kill my coconut palm. I decided I would protect my coconut palm on the coldest nights. For the first few years I could totally bundle and cover my palm, along with providing it some supplemental heat using thermostatically controlled heating cables.

Once my palm's canopy got too big and stiff to bundle, I just wrapped the trunk and meristem with heating cables and then wrapped a mover's blanket around the trunk. The fronds would get mostly defoliated but the trunk took no cold damage. The way I figure, it would be like cutting all of the fronds off of a healthy palm. As long as there was enough starch in the trunk and root system, a new canopy would grow. That has been the case with respect to my coconut palm.

I planted my coconut palm in the spring of 2003. I think it was a 7 gallon size at most. It's been a very slow grower for me. After more then 10-1/2 years it only has 52" of clear trunk. I have no idea what variety my coconut palm is.

The satisfaction for me is to have palm species that no one else in my neighborhood has. The coconut palms that once were in my neighborhood were killed from the prolonged cold in 2010. Mine survived because I protected the trunk. Further, I had my all-time low (radiational freeze) of 20.8 degrees in December of 2010. So protecting the trunk and meristem is what saved this palm.

Below are two photos. The first photo was taken about a year after I first planted it. The second photo is how my coconut palm looks today.

Coconut7-1-04_zpsc9ef20cc.jpg

Coconutpalm9-25-13_zps716a5d8a.jpg

Walt, that looks like a typical dwarf variety. They trunk very slowly and don't grow much faster than that in the tropics. Yours looks great!

Formerly Jeff in Costa Rica
 

Posted
  On 9/26/2013 at 3:15 AM, Axel in Santa Cruz said:

  On 9/26/2013 at 2:03 AM, Walt said:

The coconut palm to me symbolizes the tropics. I have liked the tropics since I was a young kid. I'm not obessed with coconut palms, but I do like them. When I was in the U.S. Navy I got to spend a lot of time in the Caribbean (during the winter months!), plus I was also stationed in Key West, Florida.

When my wife and I moved to Lake Placid, Florida, it wasn't with the intention of growing palms. But once here I did take an interest in them. I was very surprised to find some coconut palms growing here, but they were growing around the lakes where winter nighttime temperatures are warmer.

I decided to try to grow a coconut palm. However, it wasn't to be. I think both coconut palms I had got killed the first winter. My zone is 9b for all intents and purposes, but a cold 9b in terms of winter lows.

I decided one more time to try and grow a coconut palm. I knew I had warm average temperatures and respectable wintertime heating -- if I could get past the 2-3 days each winter that would kill my coconut palm. I decided I would protect my coconut palm on the coldest nights. For the first few years I could totally bundle and cover my palm, along with providing it some supplemental heat using thermostatically controlled heating cables.

Once my palm's canopy got too big and stiff to bundle, I just wrapped the trunk and meristem with heating cables and then wrapped a mover's blanket around the trunk. The fronds would get mostly defoliated but the trunk took no cold damage. The way I figure, it would be like cutting all of the fronds off of a healthy palm. As long as there was enough starch in the trunk and root system, a new canopy would grow. That has been the case with respect to my coconut palm.

I planted my coconut palm in the spring of 2003. I think it was a 7 gallon size at most. It's been a very slow grower for me. After more then 10-1/2 years it only has 52" of clear trunk. I have no idea what variety my coconut palm is.

The satisfaction for me is to have palm species that no one else in my neighborhood has. The coconut palms that once were in my neighborhood were killed from the prolonged cold in 2010. Mine survived because I protected the trunk. Further, I had my all-time low (radiational freeze) of 20.8 degrees in December of 2010. So protecting the trunk and meristem is what saved this palm.

Below are two photos. The first photo was taken about a year after I first planted it. The second photo is how my coconut palm looks today.

Coconut7-1-04_zpsc9ef20cc.jpg

Coconutpalm9-25-13_zps716a5d8a.jpg

Go Walt! Your coconut is doing well, yours is totally worth the trouble.

Axel: Yes, I've come too far with my coconut palm not to protect it now.

Mad about palms

Posted
  On 9/26/2013 at 7:48 PM, Jeff in Costa Rica said:

  On 9/26/2013 at 2:03 AM, Walt said:

The coconut palm to me symbolizes the tropics. I have liked the tropics since I was a young kid. I'm not obessed with coconut palms, but I do like them. When I was in the U.S. Navy I got to spend a lot of time in the Caribbean (during the winter months!), plus I was also stationed in Key West, Florida.

When my wife and I moved to Lake Placid, Florida, it wasn't with the intention of growing palms. But once here I did take an interest in them. I was very surprised to find some coconut palms growing here, but they were growing around the lakes where winter nighttime temperatures are warmer.

I decided to try to grow a coconut palm. However, it wasn't to be. I think both coconut palms I had got killed the first winter. My zone is 9b for all intents and purposes, but a cold 9b in terms of winter lows.

I decided one more time to try and grow a coconut palm. I knew I had warm average temperatures and respectable wintertime heating -- if I could get past the 2-3 days each winter that would kill my coconut palm. I decided I would protect my coconut palm on the coldest nights. For the first few years I could totally bundle and cover my palm, along with providing it some supplemental heat using thermostatically controlled heating cables.

Once my palm's canopy got too big and stiff to bundle, I just wrapped the trunk and meristem with heating cables and then wrapped a mover's blanket around the trunk. The fronds would get mostly defoliated but the trunk took no cold damage. The way I figure, it would be like cutting all of the fronds off of a healthy palm. As long as there was enough starch in the trunk and root system, a new canopy would grow. That has been the case with respect to my coconut palm.

I planted my coconut palm in the spring of 2003. I think it was a 7 gallon size at most. It's been a very slow grower for me. After more then 10-1/2 years it only has 52" of clear trunk. I have no idea what variety my coconut palm is.

The satisfaction for me is to have palm species that no one else in my neighborhood has. The coconut palms that once were in my neighborhood were killed from the prolonged cold in 2010. Mine survived because I protected the trunk. Further, I had my all-time low (radiational freeze) of 20.8 degrees in December of 2010. So protecting the trunk and meristem is what saved this palm.

Below are two photos. The first photo was taken about a year after I first planted it. The second photo is how my coconut palm looks today.

Coconut7-1-04_zpsc9ef20cc.jpg

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Walt, that looks like a typical dwarf variety. They trunk very slowly and don't grow much faster than that in the tropics. Yours looks great!

Jeff: I believe you must be right, that my coconut is some kind of dwarf variety. It's just overall more minature in size. I've seen other varieties around here with little or no trunk with much bigger fronds.

Mad about palms

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Lovely coconuts all!

Cindy Adair

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I agree with Jeff, that looks like a good example of what a pure Malayan dwarf should look like

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

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Yes, they are beautiful framing the sunset, but there are also other palms that could be planted in sand and which would provide some variety on the beach. I think so many cocos are planted because the tourists expect to see them.

Coconuts also require a lot of maintenance because if the fruit falls on anything (including someone's head) whatever it hits is likely to be a goner. (The constant removal of coconuts from the trees for safety reasons is very costly,)

I would have our two 40' cocos cut down if my husband didn't love them. All I see when I look at them are common palm trees that are depriving us of a large area that could be planted with all kinds of wonderful palms but cannot be because chances are very good that they'd get crushed by a very heavy coconut.

Lee

Lee

Located at 1500' elevation in Kona on the west side of the Big Island of Hawaii.

Average annual rainfall is about 60"; temperature around 80 degrees.

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Yes, they are beautiful framing the sunset, but there are also other palms that could be planted in sand and which would provide some variety on the beach. I think so many cocos are planted because the tourists expect to see them.

Coconuts also require a lot of maintenance because if the fruit falls on anything (including someone's head) whatever it hits is likely to be a goner. (The constant removal of coconuts from the trees for safety reasons is very costly,)

I would have our two 40' cocos cut down if my husband didn't love them. All I see when I look at them are common palm trees that are depriving us of a large area that could be planted with all kinds of wonderful palms but cannot be because chances are very good that they'd get crushed by a very heavy coconut.

Lee

Lee

Located at 1500' elevation in Kona on the west side of the Big Island of Hawaii.

Average annual rainfall is about 60"; temperature around 80 degrees.

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  On 9/26/2013 at 9:32 PM, Zeeth said:

I agree with Jeff, that looks like a good example of what a pure Malayan dwarf should look like

I wonder what color Malayan dwarf (yellow, green, or red)? I have some small nuts developing and they are yellow at the stage their at. Not that it matters.

Mad about palms

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The best thing about coconuts is drinking the fresh coconut water, out of unripe dwarf fruits, especially in summer. :rolleyes:

Sirinhaém beach, 80 Km south of Recife - Brazil

Tropical oceanic climate, latitude 8° S

Temperature extremes: 25 to 31°C

2000 mm average rainfall, dry summers

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Walt, how tall is your coconut overall?

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  On 9/27/2013 at 1:55 AM, Walt said:

  On 9/26/2013 at 9:32 PM, Zeeth said:

I agree with Jeff, that looks like a good example of what a pure Malayan dwarf should look like

I wonder what color Malayan dwarf (yellow, green, or red)? I have some small nuts developing and they are yellow at the stage their at. Not that it matters.

IMO it looks like a green only because the petioles are dark green in the pics. golden and yellows have petioles that color from what I have observed.

Walt did you buy that at a big box store? because someone told me that the ones commonly sold in big box stores are green malayans. also I heard dwarf malayans are less cool and cold tolerant so you are doing a great job.

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