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Floridian scare #3


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(spockvr6 @ Feb. 19 2007,22:05)

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NWS said the low tonight in 34689 would be 47F.

This is pitiful.

Now, even the NWS's church bingo hall ball tumbler seems to have gone AWOL.  Perhaps Father Paddy has come and taken it back for the senior's "Monte Carlo Night".

I woke to a low of 39.4F this AM with a 47F forecast.

If this is a positive, it is that everything in the yard is drenched with moisture (fortunately in the liquid form) and I am lucky that they are not all frosted!

Larry 

Palm Harbor, FL 10a / Ft Myers, FL 10b

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43F here with no frost.

Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10A

Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10B

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It's 8:30 am now, and is warming up nicely. Already in the low 60's. :D  I'm praying for beautiful weather the following weekend for our Spring Open House Sale on March 2,3 and 4th. We really dodged a bullet this past weekend though!

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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Low summary around Tampa Bay----

Larrys House - Tarpon Springs - 39.4F

Fred Howard Park - Tarpon Springs - Gulf - 45.95F

Sponge Docks - Tarpon Springs - Anclote River - 43.34F

Albert Whitted AP - downtown St. Pete - 50F

Clearwater/St Pete AP - 44F

Tampa AP - 43F

McDill AFB - 39F

Vandenberg AP - 37F

Larry 

Palm Harbor, FL 10a / Ft Myers, FL 10b

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I think this threat of cold in Florida is officially over....... Tampa doesn't show one night with lows less than 55f for the next 10 days...... Good sign that spring is coming very soon.

Bobby

Long Island, New York  Zone 7a (where most of the southern Floridians are originally from)

AVERAGE TEMPS

Summer Highs  : 85-90f/day,  68-75f / night

Winter Lows     : 38-45f/day,   25-35f / night

Extreme Low    : 10-20f/day,    0-10f / night   but VERY RARE

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Amen.

Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10A

Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10B

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(BobbyinNY @ Feb. 20 2007,09:07)

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I think this threat of cold in Florida is officially over....... Tampa doesn't show one night with lows less than 55f for the next 10 days...... Good sign that spring is coming very soon.

Ray etal,

It seems we have written this winter obituary at least twice maybe 3 times for Florida this year! ??? Keeps coming back to LIFE, and healthier than ever.

Will you guys never learn not to tempt mother nature?

Scott

Titusville, FL

1/2 mile from the Indian River

USDA Zone COLD

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(spockvr6 @ Feb. 20 2007,06:30)

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(spockvr6 @ Feb. 19 2007,22:05)

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NWS said the low tonight in 34689 would be 47F.

This is pitiful.

Now, even the NWS's church bingo hall ball tumbler seems to have gone AWOL.  Perhaps Father Paddy has come and taken it back for the senior's "Monte Carlo Night".

I woke to a low of 39.4F this AM with a 47F forecast.

If this is a positive, it is that everything in the yard is drenched with moisture (fortunately in the liquid form) and I am lucky that they are not all frosted!

Larry,

That's not to bad ,only missed it by 8 degrees! :P

I think they should start predicting low temps like they predict RAIN!

POP- or percentage of a chance of precipitation!

That way they would always have an out if they completely missed it.

Hey wait a better idea  actually walk outside,if it's raining it's raining.If it's COLD it's cold! :P

Scott

Titusville, FL

1/2 mile from the Indian River

USDA Zone COLD

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Oh my goodness!

What is this odd feeling I got when I walked outside?

Wait...its the feel of 70 degree air!

Larry 

Palm Harbor, FL 10a / Ft Myers, FL 10b

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(gsn @ Feb. 20 2007,10:51)

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Larry,

That's not to bad ,only missed it by 8 degrees! :P

I think they should start predicting low temps like they predict RAIN!

POP- or percentage of a chance of precipitation!

That way they would always have an out if they completely missed it.

Well....I figure what they would say is.....

"We didnt miss the forecast by 8 degrees, your location is a cold pocket!  Look at the Fred Howard Park reading of 45.95F.  We almost nailed it!"

Never mind the fact that the reading from this station correlates to about 1% of Tarpon Springs that sits on the water  :D

But, I do like the idea of probabilities.  That would give us an idea of confidence.

Larry 

Palm Harbor, FL 10a / Ft Myers, FL 10b

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(spockvr6 @ Feb. 20 2007,11:18)

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But, I do like the idea of probabilities.  That would give us an idea of confidence.

Larry,

You did mean to say ILLUSION  instead of IDEA didn't you? :laugh:

Scott

Titusville, FL

1/2 mile from the Indian River

USDA Zone COLD

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(spockvr6 @ Feb. 20 2007,11:15)

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Oh my goodness!

What is this odd feeling I got when I walked outside?

Wait...its the feel of 70 degree air!

beautiful today.

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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With some rain, it will start feeling like spring. :D

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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(Jeff Searle @ Feb. 20 2007,13:22)

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With some rain, it will start feeling like spring. :D

Jeff

And a week later, and 5 degrees warmer, it will feel like summer! :angry:

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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(PiousPalms @ Feb. 20 2007,13:36)

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BRING ON THE WARM! :cool:

Don't forget the skin cancer, :angry:

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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Don't forget the sunscreen then.

Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10A

Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10B

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It felt GOOD today!! I didn't have to run track in 50 degree weather. Well, actually today I had flag-football try-outs and it's nice not having the ball feel like ice when you catch it. :D But that cold KILLS when you're trying to run!

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Hey Larry-

I read those area temps and I'm always a little curious....

If you are ever in the area of Clearwater and at or near the address of "1 South Jupiter" could you tell if thats a good microclimate there?  Thats where my grandparents lived years ago with a vacant  "1/2 lot" they owned next door. (after the house was sold, they crammed a house on the lot)  If I can remember enough of the area, (pre palm nuttness) I think its a pretty good area that would have had a big lot.

Just curious if you get a chance...

TIA

Bill

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Bill-

I know the approximate area where that address is.

I would say that it is a good palm climate there.  It is certainly better than where I am climate-wise, but short of the climate seen in the southern parts of St. Petersburg.  I would venture to say that when I logged 34F last Saturday AM, it was probably 36-38F in the area of your grandparents old house.

Larry 

Palm Harbor, FL 10a / Ft Myers, FL 10b

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Supposed to get to 75 F. tommorow :) Come ON SPRING!

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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More music to my ears.

Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10A

Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10B

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(spockvr6 @ Feb. 20 2007,19:21)

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Bill-

I know the approximate area where that address is.

I would say that it is a good palm climate there.  It is certainly better than where I am climate-wise, but short of the climate seen in the southern parts of St. Petersburg.  I would venture to say that when I logged 34F last Saturday AM, it was probably 36-38F in the area of your grandparents old house.

Thanks Larry.

I had forgot, but that "finger" of St Petersburg into the Gulf probably goes a long way towards moderating the temps!!

My parents have a winter condo down there, but on the 4th or 5th floor...no help there!

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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(spockvr6 @ Feb. 20 2007,08:40)

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Low summary around Tampa Bay----

Larrys House - Tarpon Springs - 39.4F

Fred Howard Park - Tarpon Springs - Gulf - 45.95F

Sponge Docks - Tarpon Springs - Anclote River - 43.34F

Albert Whitted AP - downtown St. Pete - 50F

Clearwater/St Pete AP - 44F

Tampa AP - 43F

McDill AFB - 39F

Vandenberg AP - 37F

Larry

That is an incredible spread in temperature & probably only occurs in winter, right  :;):  Splendid demonstration of marine influence.  Frankly, I had no idea how extreme the difference can be over relatively short distances in Florida.

Glad that polar jet stream has shifted north & up to Canada.  Seasonally cold in the Northeast. Warm in Florida/Texas. Cool in California.

Los Angeles/Pasadena

34° 10' N   118° 18' W

Elevation: 910'/278m

January Average Hi/Lo: 69F/50F

July Average Hi/Lo: 88F/66F

Average Rainfall: 19"/48cm

USDA 11/Sunset 23

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?MTW

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Larry,

The MacDill AFB temperature operator has been admitted to rehab with Britney Spears.

Ray

Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10A

Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10B

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Stick a fork in it - cuz this winter is done.

Yesterday was beautiful, here's hoping that the weekend will be sunny and warm as well.  My yard looks like h*ll and I want to get out there and start planting :)

Sick of those overcast cool days, ugh.

St. Pete

Zone - a wacked-out place between 9b & 10

Elevation = 44' - not that it does any good

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Oh - spindle update:

It's fine.  No freeze, no damage.  And the little adenium at the base of it continued to bloom straight through the winter!

St. Pete

Zone - a wacked-out place between 9b & 10

Elevation = 44' - not that it does any good

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(happ @ Feb. 21 2007,00:16)

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Larry

That is an incredible spread in temperature & probably only occurs in winter, right  :;):  Splendid demonstration of marine influence.  Frankly, I had no idea how extreme the difference can be over relatively short distances in Florida.

Happ-

As the crow flies, Fred Howard Park is probably 2 miles from me :angry:

But, I am 1.5 miles from the Gulf and Fred Howard Park sits right on it.

On one calm cold night in December 2005 Id drove from my house (Point A on the below map) out to the end of the peninsula (just west of Point B on the map) with a thermocouple out the window and there was a bona fide 10F differential!  (41F at my house and 51F out on that point).

ts.jpg

Larry 

Palm Harbor, FL 10a / Ft Myers, FL 10b

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Howard park is beautiful.

Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10A

Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10B

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(Ray, Tampa @ Feb. 22 2007,10:50)

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Howard park is beautiful.

For sure.......that and Sunset Beach are my two favorite locations in town.

If it werent for the terrible horrific beatings we would take in property taxes and insurance, we would be living out that way.

Larry 

Palm Harbor, FL 10a / Ft Myers, FL 10b

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I hope the property tax thing is about to change.

Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10A

Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10B

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(Ray, Tampa @ Feb. 22 2007,11:31)

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I hope the property tax thing is about to change.

Selfishly.....I hope not!

This extra 2.5% sales tax they are talking about, plus the Pinellas 1%, plus the base 6% already in place, plus whatever else they add onto this......

will in the end probably end up costing someone like me more than the way it is now (since we are locked in under Homestead and SOH Cap).

I say I am being selfish as my property taxes are 1/2 to 1/3 of what people who bought last year on my street are paying.

Larry 

Palm Harbor, FL 10a / Ft Myers, FL 10b

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The homestead may go to $50K

Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10A

Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10B

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At least Charlie is trying to change things up a bit.  I can't live in this house forever.

Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10A

Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10B

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(Ray, Tampa @ Feb. 22 2007,13:11)

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The homestead may go to $50K

Heck...theres $600 right there.  Ill take it.

Pretty soon the county will have to pay me to live here :D

Larry 

Palm Harbor, FL 10a / Ft Myers, FL 10b

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(Ray, Tampa @ Feb. 22 2007,13:12)

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I can't live in this house forever.

My wife feels that way about our place........but Ill be happy to stay here till they wheel me out!

The "deal" we have here is just too good.  Due to fortuitious circumstances and timing, it costs us less to live in this house per month than most people's car payments!  Its hard to walk away from that.

Larry 

Palm Harbor, FL 10a / Ft Myers, FL 10b

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Either way

Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10A

Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10B

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it can help

Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10A

Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10B

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The "deal" we have here is just too good.  Due to fortuitious circumstances and timing, it costs us less to live in this house per month than most people's car payments!  Its hard to walk away from that.

It's so true, Larry..... My brother is in the same situation..... He has a 2-bedroom condo overlooking the UN building in Manhattan that he pays $400/month for..... If he moved to another apt, he'd pay 10x that there.

Bobby

Long Island, New York  Zone 7a (where most of the southern Floridians are originally from)

AVERAGE TEMPS

Summer Highs  : 85-90f/day,  68-75f / night

Winter Lows     : 38-45f/day,   25-35f / night

Extreme Low    : 10-20f/day,    0-10f / night   but VERY RARE

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