This has got to be the most amazing genus, take a look at this parajubaea cocoides, it gets more and more beautiful every day. We've had a lot of cool moist weather lately, and it's loving it.

Wow! A beautiful Para, c. for sure. It looks like your climate suits it well.

This was sold to me as a tor-tor and has done great here in the VOTS scoffing at the big chill we had this year and many many days of 110*+. Grows like a weed and doesnt exhibit the silvery underside and stiff upright fronds. i have since bought a tor-tor, that has the silvery undersides and upright growth,and planted it last fall. Did great till it got hot now it's burning. I think this is P. cocoiodes after looking at more pix. What do u think?

Edited July 24, 201312 yr by pfancy

Very nice axel. How long has it been in the ground?

This was sold to me as a tor-tor and has done great here in the VOTS scoffing at the big chill we had this year and many many days of 110*+. Grows like a weed and doesnt exhibit the silvery underside and stiff upright fronds. i have since bought a tor-tor, that has the silvery undersides and upright growth,and planted it last fall. Did great till it got hot now it's burning. I think this is P. cocoiodes after looking at more pix. What do u think?

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That's not a cocoides, it would be frying even worse than any tor would. Cocoides also has silvery undersides and is more lax than what you have. Well, to me that palm in the photo looks more like a mule palm because of the recurving fronds at the end. Can you post some close up photos of the trunk? Where did you get this thing? It looks very different. You could have lucked out and also have a CxB hybrid. If seeds are now coming from cultivated gardens, there is a high likelihood to run into hybrids. On the other hand, I've seen a version of tor that has thicker fronds but more recurving like yours.

Very nice axel. How long has it been in the ground?

About 7 years. It doesn't always get water, which slows it down quite a bit. But this year I've been spoiling it, hence it looks good.

Wow, that is definitely one gorgeous palm.

Looks great, Axel.

Agreed, that's a beauty.

One of these days will try coccoides here.

Tor-tor under shade of tall pine going strong.

Overall have lost two of four seedlings in open from crown rot.

One coasting along, another growing again after spear pull.

Need to try sunkha too.

Awesome palm Axel,thanks for sharing!

Definitely my favorite Parajubaea species! I have a seedling in the ground and will be planting a bigger one soon too! In shade of course,i hear those burn even as trunking palms in sun and i am sure it would hate my sun when the heatwaves hit!

Agreed, that's a beauty.

One of these days will try coccoides here.

Tor-tor under shade of tall pine going strong.

Overall have lost two of four seedlings in open from crown rot.

One coasting along, another growing again after spear pull.

Need to try sunkha too.

Bob, While 10 year old p. cocoides has done "ok" for me, they look better along the coast.

I recently dug up mine, (It had been planted over cable lines) .

It regularly saw damage below 29f though survived . It has recovered from 25f. They kinda lag during our 100f plus summers, but by late sept, they look great.

Best try any other parajubea first.

Cocoides does grow here, but the others are better adapted to valley heat/chill.

Your mileage may vary.

Jeff

This was sold to me as a tor-tor and has done great here in the VOTS scoffing at the big chill we had this year and many many days of 110*+. Grows like a weed and doesnt exhibit the silvery underside and stiff upright fronds. i have since bought a tor-tor, that has the silvery undersides and upright growth,and planted it last fall. Did great till it got hot now it's burning. I think this is P. cocoiodes after looking at more pix. What do u think?

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It looks just like my tor-tor. I have two. I will have to check them out. I don't think that either of them are silver on the underside.

This was sold to me as a tor-tor and has done great here in the VOTS scoffing at the big chill we had this year and many many days of 110*+. Grows like a weed and doesnt exhibit the silvery underside and stiff upright fronds. i have since bought a tor-tor, that has the silvery undersides and upright growth,and planted it last fall. Did great till it got hot now it's burning. I think this is P. cocoiodes after looking at more pix. What do u think?

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It looks just like my tor-tor. I have two. I will have to check them out. I don't think that either of them are silver on the underside.

Richard, it's a mule or another hybrid, the trunk and petiole close ups are a dead give away, see http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/7207-parajubaea-torallyi/page-3.

This was sold to me as a tor-tor and has done great here in the VOTS scoffing at the big chill we had this year and many many days of 110*+. Grows like a weed and doesnt exhibit the silvery underside and stiff upright fronds. i have since bought a tor-tor, that has the silvery undersides and upright growth,and planted it last fall. Did great till it got hot now it's burning. I think this is P. cocoiodes after looking at more pix. What do u think?

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It looks just like my tor-tor. I have two. I will have to check them out. I don't think that either of them are silver on the underside.

Richard, it's a mule or another hybrid, the trunk and petiole close ups are a dead give away, see http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/7207-parajubaea-torallyi/page-3.

What is it about the trunk that identifies it as a mule?

Here is an old picture of mine. The leaves are looking greener and less erect now.

This was sold to me as a tor-tor and has done great here in the VOTS scoffing at the big chill we had this year and many many days of 110*+. Grows like a weed and doesnt exhibit the silvery underside and stiff upright fronds. i have since bought a tor-tor, that has the silvery undersides and upright growth,and planted it last fall. Did great till it got hot now it's burning. I think this is P. cocoiodes after looking at more pix. What do u think?

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It looks just like my tor-tor. I have two. I will have to check them out. I don't think that either of them are silver on the underside.

Richard, it's a mule or another hybrid, the trunk and petiole close ups are a dead give away, see http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/7207-parajubaea-torallyi/page-3.

What is it about the trunk that identifies it as a mule?

Here is an old picture of mine. The leaves are looking greener and less erect now.

Hi Richard, yours is definitely a Parajubaea and not a mule. Also the overall form definitely looks like a torallyi. They tend to look a little spindly when young and then quickly start to take on a denser more robust look after a couple years in the ground.

This was sold to me as a tor-tor and has done great here in the VOTS scoffing at the big chill we had this year and many many days of 110*+. Grows like a weed and doesnt exhibit the silvery underside and stiff upright fronds. i have since bought a tor-tor, that has the silvery undersides and upright growth,and planted it last fall. Did great till it got hot now it's burning. I think this is P. cocoiodes after looking at more pix. What do u think?

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It looks just like my tor-tor. I have two. I will have to check them out. I don't think that either of them are silver on the underside.

Richard, it's a mule or another hybrid, the trunk and petiole close ups are a dead give away, see http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/7207-parajubaea-torallyi/page-3.

What is it about the trunk that identifies it as a mule?

Here is an old picture of mine. The leaves are looking greener and less erect now.

Hi Richard, yours is definitely a Parajubaea and not a mule. Also the overall form definitely looks like a torallyi. They tend to look a little spindly when young and then quickly start to take on a denser more robust look after a couple years in the ground.

Blake, before you jump to this conclusion, go look at http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/7207-parajubaea-torallyi/page-3 and check out post #115 to see the trunk close up of this palm. There's a pretty small chance that's a parajubaea. I've got a good 30 parajubaea of all species and various seed batches spanning 15 years growing here, there's considerable variations, but not a single one has the armament shown in the close up of the trunk of the palm above. That's definitely a hybrid, no telling which kind of hybrid, so far, looks like a mule to me, but could be an actual cross with parajubaea.

Also, the petioles are much more slender on parajubaea than on the palm above, and are connected to the trunk in a different manner. If that's a parajubaea, then we have a whole new unique species of parajubaea on our hands.

Looks like a Bismarkia to me

I need to download the pic and get a close up but at a glance it does look like a Mule to me. Too bad the pic is blurry at the base.

I have thousands of Mules but only a 15 gallon P.Sunkha so i am no expert on Parajubaeas.

This was sold to me as a tor-tor and has done great here in the VOTS scoffing at the big chill we had this year and many many days of 110*+. Grows like a weed and doesnt exhibit the silvery underside and stiff upright fronds. i have since bought a tor-tor, that has the silvery undersides and upright growth,and planted it last fall. Did great till it got hot now it's burning. I think this is P. cocoiodes after looking at more pix. What do u think?

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It looks just like my tor-tor. I have two. I will have to check them out. I don't think that either of them are silver on the underside.

Richard, it's a mule or another hybrid, the trunk and petiole close ups are a dead give away, see http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/7207-parajubaea-torallyi/page-3.

What is it about the trunk that identifies it as a mule?

Here is an old picture of mine. The leaves are looking greener and less erect now.

Hi Richard, yours is definitely a Parajubaea and not a mule. Also the overall form definitely looks like a torallyi. They tend to look a little spindly when young and then quickly start to take on a denser more robust look after a couple years in the ground.

Blake, before you jump to this conclusion, go look at http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/7207-parajubaea-torallyi/page-3 and check out post #115 to see the trunk close up of this palm. There's a pretty small chance that's a parajubaea. I've got a good 30 parajubaea of all species and various seed batches spanning 15 years growing here, there's considerable variations, but not a single one has the armament shown in the close up of the trunk of the palm above. That's definitely a hybrid, no telling which kind of hybrid, so far, looks like a mule to me, but could be an actual cross with parajubaea.

Also, the petioles are much more slender on parajubaea than on the palm above, and are connected to the trunk in a different manner. If that's a parajubaea, then we have a whole new unique species of parajubaea on our hands.

We are talking about different palms. I was referring to the one posted above my original post by rprimbs. I agree with you that the one in post 115 of the other post looks like a mule and not a parajub. The pic posted by rprimbs definitely looks like a parajub.

This was sold to me as a tor-tor and has done great here in the VOTS scoffing at the big chill we had this year and many many days of 110*+. Grows like a weed and doesnt exhibit the silvery underside and stiff upright fronds. i have since bought a tor-tor, that has the silvery undersides and upright growth,and planted it last fall. Did great till it got hot now it's burning. I think this is P. cocoiodes after looking at more pix. What do u think?

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It looks just like my tor-tor. I have two. I will have to check them out. I don't think that either of them are silver on the underside.

Richard, it's a mule or another hybrid, the trunk and petiole close ups are a dead give away, see http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/7207-parajubaea-torallyi/page-3.

What is it about the trunk that identifies it as a mule?

Here is an old picture of mine. The leaves are looking greener and less erect now.

Hi Richard, yours is definitely a Parajubaea and not a mule. Also the overall form definitely looks like a torallyi. They tend to look a little spindly when young and then quickly start to take on a denser more robust look after a couple years in the ground.

Blake, before you jump to this conclusion, go look at http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/7207-parajubaea-torallyi/page-3 and check out post #115 to see the trunk close up of this palm. There's a pretty small chance that's a parajubaea. I've got a good 30 parajubaea of all species and various seed batches spanning 15 years growing here, there's considerable variations, but not a single one has the armament shown in the close up of the trunk of the palm above. That's definitely a hybrid, no telling which kind of hybrid, so far, looks like a mule to me, but could be an actual cross with parajubaea.

Also, the petioles are much more slender on parajubaea than on the palm above, and are connected to the trunk in a different manner. If that's a parajubaea, then we have a whole new unique species of parajubaea on our hands.

We are talking about different palms. I was referring to the one posted above my original post by rprimbs. I agree with you that the one in post 115 of the other post looks like a mule and not a parajub. The pic posted by rprimbs definitely looks like a parajub.

Yes, Richard's is definitely a parajubaea, looks like a sunkha to me.

Fantastic Axel !

I got a small one that I grow in container. Bought it as a seedlings some years ago to grow and plant it out. The last few winters holding me back to plant this out, because I don't want to lose it. It's growing only 3-4 leafes here, so quite a slow grower for me.

I got a small one that I grow in container. Bought it as a seedlings some years ago to grow and plant it out. The last few winters holding me back to plant this out, because I don't want to lose it. It's growing only 3-4 leafes here, so quite a slow grower for me.

Sunkha is the slowest grower of all the parajubaea, and yours looks like it could be one, hard to tell from pic, but most likely not a cocoides.. But it's also the hardiest. They pick up speed when they're in he ground. Transplant it in a bigger pot if you have to bring it in during the Winter. Sunkha is the most compact grower and might work longer term in a large pot.

Axel I looked at the picture and I think you are right. You know mule palms are pretty cool! I have got to get one of those too.

Yaiks. Did not seen this topic was going about cocoides. The one in the picture is a parajubaea torallyi var. torallyi, well bought it like that as a seedling.