johannesteijsmannia altifrons in cool climates

[Halekuma]

just wondering if anybody from new zealand, northern california, etc have any experience trying to grow this palm species...

thanks in advance for your feedback...

[Halekuma]

cold hardiness (and cool) feedback from other climates would be great too... Im looking for info for myself about growing it in frost free climates but with around 40F for some weeks per year...

[Pedro 65]

cold hardiness (and cool) feedback from other climates would be great too... Im looking for info for myself about growing it in frost free climates but with around 40F for some weeks per year...

Jaime, your cool humid rainy frost free winters will allow Joey Altifrons to grow happily in Spain..but..in the right spot..also these are "Very" root sensitive so when you buy some , once the roots are out the bottom of the pot, plant it ingrown "still in the pot" and make sure the drainage is very good, you can cut the sides of the pot but very carefully.... I live in the cool sub tropics and our gardens get as low as 3c in winter ( not too much though) which has ' no effect" on Joey Altifrons. Good luck and post pics when you buy some. Pete

[bobchamnan]

Careful with water as well, don't let dry out. too much water will also cause root damage, with devastating subsequences

[Halekuma]

Thanks pete for your help!!!

Our lows this year was +1.5C but for 2 times and 2.5C one night... I have a licuala peltata var sumawongii doing well so it gives me some hope although I know they are not the same... I am planning to make a huge opened conservatory to grow some marginal species just to protect them from frost and too rainy days (we average 1800mm per year) temps would be pretty much the same I guess... My main concern was low temps and lack of sun in winter months (december to mid march)...

[aztropic]

I have a pair of these in 1 gallon pots.To my amazement,they have seen freezing temps at 31 degrees F without any damage.Edges do dry out though due to our lack of humidity here in the desert.

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

[Pedro 65]

Thanks pete for your help!!!

Our lows this year was +1.5C but for 2 times and 2.5C one night... I have a licuala peltata var sumawongii doing well so it gives me some hope although I know they are not the same... I am planning to make a huge opened conservatory to grow some marginal species just to protect them from frost and too rainy days (we average 1800mm per year) temps would be pretty much the same I guess... My main concern was low temps and lack of sun in winter months (december to mid march)...

Your welcome Jaime, all sound great, look fwd to some pics..Jaime since your into Licualas a "very cold hardy" Licuala ( now Lanonia ) is Lanonia dasyantha ( pics below) grab a few for your conservatory.

Aztropic, Joey Altifrons surviving Arizona thats "remarkable and good proof" Altifrons can handle the cold, and yes Joey altifrons is the most cold hardy of the Joeys, you should buy L dasyantha as well. Pete

[Halekuma]

pete I have dasyantha, ramsayii, ramsayii var tuckeri and spinosa doing well too... I was told fordiana should do great too but no real experience with it yet... I was told that if joey would do ok at my place I could start considering marojejya darianii too...whats your opinion? I have read in different websites that it needs heat all year around but sometimes internet info can be quite confusing...

[Pedro 65]

pete I have dasyantha, ramsayii, ramsayii var tuckeri and spinosa doing well too... I was told fordiana should do great too but no real experience with it yet... I was told that if joey would do ok at my place I could start considering marojejya darianii too...whats your opinion? I have read in different websites that it needs heat all year around but sometimes internet info can be quite confusing...

Licuala Fordiana will do great Jaime, thanks for the reminder, heres 1 we have here, Fordiana looks "perfect" all year and is quick for a Licuala..Grab a few Jaime, this 1 has been flowering already but no seed yet.

re Marojejya, with your rainfall I think this would get a tick of approval ..trial and error some Jaime. Pete

[chris78]

pete I have dasyantha, ramsayii, ramsayii var tuckeri and spinosa doing well too... I was told fordiana should do great too but no real experience with it yet... I was told that if joey would do ok at my place I could start considering marojejya darianii too...whats your opinion? I have read in different websites that it needs heat all year around but sometimes internet info can be quite confusing...

Licuala Fordiana will do great Jaime, thanks for the reminder, heres 1 we have here, Fordiana looks "perfect" all year and is quick for a Licuala..Grab a few Jaime, this 1 has been flowering already but no seed yet.

re Marojejya, with your rainfall I think this would get a tick of approval ..trial and error some Jaime. Pete

I have a Licuala Fordiana that also looks good all year!! It can handle some sun (in the desert) and is quite cold hardy.... My plant took mid 20's this past winter (over head protection & no frost) and never showed damage.. started growing in mid March!!!

Edited March 30, 2013 by chris78

[Pedro 65]

pete I have dasyantha, ramsayii, ramsayii var tuckeri and spinosa doing well too... I was told fordiana should do great too but no real experience with it yet... I was told that if joey would do ok at my place I could start considering marojejya darianii too...whats your opinion? I have read in different websites that it needs heat all year around but sometimes internet info can be quite confusing...

Licuala Fordiana will do great Jaime, thanks for the reminder, heres 1 we have here, Fordiana looks "perfect" all year and is quick for a Licuala..Grab a few Jaime, this 1 has been flowering already but no seed yet.

re Marojejya, with your rainfall I think this would get a tick of approval ..trial and error some Jaime. Pete

I have a Licuala Fordiana that also looks good all year!! It can handle some sun (in the desert) and is quite cold hardy.... My plant took mid 20's this past winter (over head protection & no frost) and never showed damage.. started growing in mid March!!!

Chris , pls post some pics just as Aztropic did..pics "tell all" Pete

[realarch]

Getting back to Joey's, I had this one in a pot for a couple of years, then finally planted it last January. Glad I didn't

read your info Pete, I was somewhat careful while planting, but not particularly so. It didn't skip a beat.

The thing looks like plastic, and is so shiny. It has been a bit slow here in my garden, but steady.

[Pedro 65]

Getting back to Joey's, I had this one in a pot for a couple of years, then finally planted it last January. Glad I didn't

read your info Pete, I was somewhat careful while planting, but not particularly so. It didn't skip a beat.

The thing looks like plastic, and is so shiny. It has been a bit slow here in my garden, but steady.

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Nice Tim, it must have had a "very good root system" for it to handle disturbance..This Trio will have the tops and a little of the side cut "Not" the bottoms.

Joeys that survive planted out of the pots usually is due to the pot being" full of roots" ( was yours) ? but Joeys are "very very root sensitive" like Pigafetta.. Pete

[realarch]

Pete, actually I was surprised there weren't more roots when I took it out of the pot, in fact half the pot was just soil. I said to myself 'oops.'

What a trooper though.

I know all about how sensitive Pigafetta is, have gone through that scenario. Fortunately I had a bunch of seedlings and had more than enough

to plant out.

[Pedro 65]

Pete, actually I was surprised there weren't more roots when I took it out of the pot, in fact half the pot was just soil. I said to myself 'oops.'

What a trooper though.

I know all about how sensitive Pigafetta is, have gone through that scenario. Fortunately I had a bunch of seedlings and had more than enough

to plant out.

Wow Tim, even the hard core collectors in Nth Qld "leave the Joeys in pots", Mark Daish sent me these bargains and stressed "Pete, plant them with the pots on" cut only the top and sides carefully.....I do remember when Joeys where "new" in Oz and "everyone" was loosing them when they planted them..after a while people soon learnt..if you don't want them to die , leave em in a pot..Your is a success that for sure, its not common for Joeys to handle disturbance they die very quickly when roots don't like it, you must have "the magic touch" there Tim. Bill Austin, do you plant with pot on or off? If you have success with the pot off the "Big Island" is showing where Palms like it best Pete

[Bill Austin]

Nice looking joeys they can be a bet of a challenge from pot to the ground for me not that I disturb the roots . But for some reason they go from dark green to light almost anemec looking, it seem to be something with the ph and it takes some time to get them looking half way good again. Tim how is your perakensis doing they seem to grow much fasterr than the other joeys ? I finally have all the 4 joeys in the ground .

[Bill Austin]

Peter joeys are very touchy for sure I have planted them out from 3gal. up to 12 gal. size . If you are VERY careful with the roots they do fine here, we get a lot of rain here and I am sure that helps. Best of luck to anybody planting in the ground.

[Pedro 65]

Peter joeys are very touchy for sure I have planted them out from 3gal. up to 12 gal. size . If you are VERY careful with the roots they do fine here, we get a lot of rain here and I am sure that helps. Best of luck to anybody planting in the ground.

They sure are aren't they Bill, hey re them going light green / yellow anaemic , as you would be well aware Bill, they turn around and green up rapidly with Dolomite/Lime, they certainly love it , I will be putting plenty in the free draining red soil here where the "triplets" will be going

[Bill Austin]

Here are some pic. joey M when first planted and now it looked good when fisrt planted and then started to go what I call anemec it never slowed down in growth but kept getting paler.I think it was the ph it's coming out of it nowbut it takes some time.Same happened with Joey A it's been 3 or so yrs and they are now starting to look ok. The joey perakensis didn't miss a beat and grow like a weed for joeys from a 3 gal. and joey lanceolata planted 3 months ago and put out two leaves already So I put a bit of lime in my holes now and that seems to keep them happy. So good luck with your joeys.

[Pedro 65]

Here are some pic. joey M when first planted 100_2049.jpg and now 100_6431.jpg it looked good when fisrt planted and then started to go what I call anemec it never slowed down in growth but kept getting paler.I think it was the ph it's coming out of it nowbut it takes some time.Same happened with Joey A100_6434.JPG it's been 3 or so yrs and they are now starting to look ok. The joey perakensis didn't miss a beat and grow like a weed for joeys from a 3 gal.100_6432.jpg and joey lanceolata planted 3 months ago and put out two leaves already100_6433.jpg So I put a bit of lime in my holes now and that seems to keep them happy. So good luck with your joeys.

Stunning Joeys Bill, hey Bill is the Anthurium in the 3rd pic A dussi ? Pete